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Kerrsed wrote:Well, expect some moves/signings sooner rather than later. We want to try to get some pieces in place before we ink up Knight, so we have more capspace and can exceed the cap if need be. Its like what we did with Bledsoe, holding out on re-signing him so we could sign others before Bledsoes new contract took up all our capspace, but this time we dont want to make Knight wait that long.
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
Kerrsed wrote:Well, expect some moves/signings sooner rather than later. We want to try to get some pieces in place before we ink up Knight, so we have more capspace and can exceed the cap if need be. Its like what we did with Bledsoe, holding out on re-signing him so we could sign others before Bledsoes new contract took up all our capspace, but this time we dont want to make Knight wait that long.
City of Trees wrote: See this whole "empty stat stuffer" label we give players on losing teams can be too convenient at times... Its an excuse we use to discredit a players accomplishments, because well winning is everything. If you looked at Gay's career he was apart of the Grizzles rise to the playoffs. His stats during his time in MEM is very comparable to his time in Tor and Sac. Gay being apart of a playoff team in MEM shows he's more than just an empty stat stuffer..... Saying that every team he was traded from got better isnt entirely accurate. The Gizzlies made the playoffs two years in a row with Gay, having made it to the conf semis. by beating San Antonio. At that time Randolph was still a bench player on that team. The year Gay was traded is the year Randolph that we know today emerged, which shouldn't be measured against Rudy Gay. Additionally Tayshon Prince replaced him!
So are you really going to categorize Gay as an empty stat stuffer in MEM when he was apart of their winning core? And the argument MEM got better with him gone, well yeah, Randolph's switch turned on and they replaced Gay with a Champion player..... Thats like holding it against Bledsoe if you guys trade him only to see Len improve to a top 5 Center and Knight becomes an All-Star.. That's not on Bledsoe, just like MEM improvement isn't ALL on the subtraction of Gay.
Toronto getting better? They play in a weak East conf. and we are seeing they wanna blow it up already so I don't think the "improvement" you referenced was actual improvement.
Perception around the league of Gay has been poor ever since MEM signed him to a franchise guy contract.... Gay isn't a franchise guy, he's your #2, your Batman's Robin. With his new contract on Par with his actual production there really is no need to bash the guy any longer. If you want to trade for Gay you must understand he is your second option on offense, and an OK defender when he wants to be.
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bwgood77 wrote:I don't think we are really shopping Bledsoe. Maybe we'd take back Porzingis, but the only deal we could probably get from the Kings is a Stauskas or McLemore, Thompson or Landry, and a first rounder, but this would have to have minimal protection on it....or unprotected.
City of Trees wrote:I don't see how Landry and Thompson could be involved in a trade for Bledsoe. I think it will be very tough for the Kings to get Bledsoe unless your GM likes Gay... You guys know how this stuff goes, rumors hit the wire and everyone goes to that team to get the info. Today was your day with Bledsoe. Last week was Kings with Cousins. Tomorrow who knows....
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bwgood77 wrote:City of Trees wrote:I don't see how Landry and Thompson could be involved in a trade for Bledsoe. I think it will be very tough for the Kings to get Bledsoe unless your GM likes Gay... You guys know how this stuff goes, rumors hit the wire and everyone goes to that team to get the info. Today was your day with Bledsoe. Last week was Kings with Cousins. Tomorrow who knows....
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Doesn't Gay make a ton? McD wants to clear cap space and make a run at Love. We don't need a SF. Gay can play PF, but he's not ideal. He's definitely not the type of player we want or need.
JTrain wrote:Any news/rumors on Gerald?
City of Trees wrote:bwgood77 wrote:City of Trees wrote:I don't see how Landry and Thompson could be involved in a trade for Bledsoe. I think it will be very tough for the Kings to get Bledsoe unless your GM likes Gay... You guys know how this stuff goes, rumors hit the wire and everyone goes to that team to get the info. Today was your day with Bledsoe. Last week was Kings with Cousins. Tomorrow who knows....
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Doesn't Gay make a ton? McD wants to clear cap space and make a run at Love. We don't need a SF. Gay can play PF, but he's not ideal. He's definitely not the type of player we want or need.
He makes less than Bledsoe.... $12.5M
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Qwigglez wrote:Yo man, I don't know where you got that BS about Z-Bo being a bench player for the Grizzlies. His first season with the Grizzlies in 09/10 he started all 81 games and averaged 21 and 12. The Grizzlies didn't make the playoffs then. 2012-13 when Gay was traded Z-Bo averaged 15 and 11.
Cutter wrote:City of Trees wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Doesn't Gay make a ton? McD wants to clear cap space and make a run at Love. We don't need a SF. Gay can play PF, but he's not ideal. He's definitely not the type of player we want or need.
He makes less than Bledsoe.... $12.5M
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I agree. By today's standards Gay's salary is not crippling. However $12m per year is still looked at as substantial and most front offices will look at the payback you get for spending the money. Last year for him was good, but I still think he is empty stat guy. Doesn't make others around him better.
And to be completely fair to Rudy Gay, I feel the same way about DeMarcus Cousins and Kevin Love. Really good players (dare I say great) who get great personal stats but their teams are some of the worst in the league year after year.
I pass on Rudy Gay.
bwgood77 wrote:Cutter wrote:City of Trees wrote:He makes less than Bledsoe.... $12.5M
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I agree. By today's standards Gay's salary is not crippling. However $12m per year is still looked at as substantial and most front offices will look at the payback you get for spending the money. Last year for him was good, but I still think he is empty stat guy. Doesn't make others around him better.
And to be completely fair to Rudy Gay, I feel the same way about DeMarcus Cousins and Kevin Love. Really good players (dare I say great) who get great personal stats but their teams are some of the worst in the league year after year.
I pass on Rudy Gay.
But Love complements our team well. I think he stays with the Cavs anyway, but his 3 pt shooting and rebounding would help us. He's been on losing teams until this past year, but we have been on the cusp of the playoffs without him. He would open up the lane for the guards, and get us a ton of rebounds. Cousins doesn't have empty stats either. He just pretty much has had crappy teammates. And the west is incredibly tough.
bwgood77 wrote:People, please don't try and ridicule posters from other teams. They may propose deals that seem preposterous to you, but you can still be respectful. I'd rather not have every fanbase think we are pricks.
blee732 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:People, please don't try and ridicule posters from other teams. They may propose deals that seem preposterous to you, but you can still be respectful. I'd rather not have every fanbase think we are pricks.
Well said. Makes me feel better about my own preposterous deal:
Bledsoe/Tucker/Mook/Warren/Archie + the Miami picks
for
P. George/Hibbert
Pacers need to rebuild, which was hampered by Hibbert opting in. This would give them some young players and picks to start over. We would get a superstar-level player (if he's healthy) and a year of Hibbert trying to prove he's worth a big contract.
This probably doesn't make sense for either side - I feel like George alone is worth more than this, but also don't like giving up so much young talent and picks. But hey, it's the offseason and I'm bored.
Cutter wrote:Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. I just don't like paying the vet max to someone who isn't going to get you deep into the playoffs. I agree that he is made perfectly for our team. I can see him getting us into the playoffs, but honestly I don't see him getting us into the second round, much less the conference finals. Not only will he want vet max money, he will want the team to be built around him so he can be the number 1 option.
Sunsdeuce wrote:blee732 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:People, please don't try and ridicule posters from other teams. They may propose deals that seem preposterous to you, but you can still be respectful. I'd rather not have every fanbase think we are pricks.
Well said. Makes me feel better about my own preposterous deal:
Bledsoe/Tucker/Mook/Warren/Archie + the Miami picks
for
P. George/Hibbert
Pacers need to rebuild, which was hampered by Hibbert opting in. This would give them some young players and picks to start over. We would get a superstar-level player (if he's healthy) and a year of Hibbert trying to prove he's worth a big contract.
This probably doesn't make sense for either side - I feel like George alone is worth more than this, but also don't like giving up so much young talent and picks. But hey, it's the offseason and I'm bored.
Take the pick and Warren out of the deal.
