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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#681 » by theFireBlanket » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:48 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:This board wanted Brandon Knight gone for how long and now we have some thinking Wade can play PG? c'mon man.

Wade has 12 years in the league and a long existent relationship w/ Kidd. He'd be a lot more adept at learning point from Jason than Brandon was.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#682 » by WiscoKing13 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:50 am

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WiscoKing13 wrote:This board wanted Brandon Knight gone for how long and now we have some thinking Wade can play PG? c'mon man.


Wade has 12 years in the league and a long existent relationship w/ Kidd. He'd be a lot more adept at learning point from Jason than Brandon was.

Wade put some of his ego aside for LBJ, can't see him being "re trained" by Jason kidd in front of 8 20 year olds.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#683 » by Trophies » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:57 am

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WRau1 wrote:Giving a young big like Monroe max money this offseason is the type of risk the Bucks should be taking. If after 2 years he doesn't fit, he should be easily tradeable due to the increased cap and still being relatively young. I don't really see the downside I'm bringing him in.

I keep wanting to talk myself into him but I can't. Just a revolving door on almost all phases of defense http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Greg-Monroe-1109/.

I don't think you resign Middleton for top dollar, have prospects like parker/giannis and go out and sacrifice offense for defense at the center spot. You'll need a really good defender at 5 with parker or giannis at the 4.


My view is that there is not many overly compelling options this year. Each option has their deficiencies, except maybe Marc Gasol. Should we be settling for a fit that is not ideal or should be hold our powder for another off-season and ride this one out? I know the leap in the cap after next season is a consideration, but does that justify a potentially bad fit and/or bad contract?


Plus we have $20M coming off the books next year with ZaZa, Mayo and Butler contracts. We can afford a max deal for a top Center. Add another $13M with Vasquez, Bayless & Dudley if you like. That's a ton of cap space cleared next year.

Monroe is a classic tweener, like so many we've seen and have on our roster now, who will be beat by top Centers around the league.

I'm not understanding all the angst with Lopez. Remarkable scorer. Rebound numbers a bit lower, but not by much - plus he makes his shots without needing put backs. Blocks a decent amount of shots. The guy far out rebounded Lanier in his best Milwaukee days, and out blocked him. The foot injury is fully healed post surgery, and he had a phenomenal run to finish out the season.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#684 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:57 am

Wade significantly raises the profile of the franchise & Jabari/Giannis. On a smaller scale it's like Steve Francis/Tracy McGrady playing with Yao Ming.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#685 » by Bernman » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:57 am

tyland wrote:In terms of the options you have outlined above, my preference would be in the following order at this point in time:

8, 4, 7, 6, Sign Biyombo (contract around MLE for two years plus team option), 5, 9, 2, 1, 3.

That order is excluding the trades and focussing solely on the signings.

If doing a trade for Splitter was an option, that would be right up there as well.


So almost the opposite of my philosophy, "go big or go home to Seattle".

Splitter would be an option for me too however, only he'd be more toward the bottom again. I'd fit him in at #8, provided we could just absorb his salary, or he didn't cost us any trade chip of significance at least. Then, once again in that scenario I'd use them to acquire a pg who can shoot, defend, and at least just facilitate well. Incidentally in this type of scenario where it involves acquiring a center who is around 30, that would be someone more like George Hill. Coupled with Monroe it's someone more like Dennis Schroeder.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#686 » by raferfenix » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:00 am

If we get Wade I'd expect to see a lot of Giannis at point center.

I don't see why he couldn't do what Henson did as a 5 defensively. Offensively it'd be a nightmare for the opposing team.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#687 » by theFireBlanket » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:02 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:Wade put some of his ego aside for LBJ, can't see him being "re trained" by Jason kidd in front of 8 20 year olds.


That was his draft year peer and friend. Jason is an older figure, both a hero and mentor. And where has LeBron been for the past season? Had Wade been more selfless during LeBron's tenure in Miami do they figure out a way to win one or two more titles? If they had, would LBJ have stayed in Miami?

Getting older tends to lend perspective. If anything Wade letting Kidd train him would display him as more of a man to all of those younger peers than anything else. The culture of the current staff and team is embodied by communication. All of the players love Dudley,... wonder why that is? Wade taking cues from a master of running the point would make him a better player and garner more respect in the locker room.

If you want to play to an egotistical motivation in letting Kidd bring him under wing: Dwyane would be getting an opportunity to show up LeBron as a guy that can make the play for everyone and takeover when needed.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#688 » by tyland » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:03 am

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tyland wrote:In terms of the options you have outlined above, my preference would be in the following order at this point in time:

8, 4, 7, 6, Sign Biyombo (contract around MLE for two years plus team option), 5, 9, 2, 1, 3.

That order is excluding the trades and focussing solely on the signings.

If doing a trade for Splitter was an option, that would be right up there as well.


So almost the opposite of my philosophy, "go big or go home to Seattle".

Splitter would be an option for me too however, only he'd be more toward the bottom again. I'd fit him in at #8, provided we could just absorb his salary, or he didn't cost us any trade chip of significance at least. Then, once again in that scenario I'd use them to acquire a pg who can shoot, defend, and at least just facilitate well. Incidentally in this type of scenario where it involves acquiring a center who is around 30, that would be someone more like George Hill. Coupled with Monroe it's someone more like Dennis Schroeder.


I think we have differing opinions regarding fit. I'm not sure that Monroe, Brook Lopez or Chandler are good value buys at the price they will command. I think Koufos will be good value and will fit into the role I foresee the Centre playing on this team. Same with Splitter.

Either way, will be interesting to see how this plays out and what the Front Offices plan is.

I do have an underlying fear than this is like post FTD season and the front-office is going to blow their load and mess things up. Just let Giannis, Parker and Midds develop along and compliment them accordingly. There is no rush. They are young.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#689 » by WRau1 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:03 am

If we can somehow bring in Wade and Chandler while retaining Middleton, I think that puts us in east semis. Chandler & Wade probably retire in 2-3 yrs, in time to see what we have in Parker/Middleton/Giannis so then we can properly retool.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#690 » by Thunder Muscle » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:06 am

Man I don't know what Wade has in the tank, but it would be a huge PR signing for the Milwaukee/Marquette fans. Very interesting. I don't see it happening, but...
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#691 » by Trophies » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:06 am

How does an old, often injured Wade help us take Minnesota?
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#692 » by Thunder Muscle » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:07 am

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Bucks_MacGyver wrote:http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article25768192.html

He was set to make $16.1 million for next season. Wade now will seek a multiple-year deal with the Heat while also potentially exploring his options elsewhere.

Two suitors might be the Dallas Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks.


Interesting.


Saw this a few days ago and started to wonder how serious this Wade speculation could be.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DennisKrause1/status/580506358430244866[/tweet]


Did anybody hear the half interview back in March and what did he say? Obviously he wasn't going to bash anything, so hard to say how truthful he was I guess.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#693 » by Max Green » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:08 am

Count me in on bringing in Wade & Chandler while re-signing Middleton. We would be a legit ECF team.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#694 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:08 am

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WiscoKing13 wrote:This board wanted Brandon Knight gone for how long and now we have some thinking Wade can play PG? c'mon man.

Wade has 12 years in the league and a long existent relationship w/ Kidd. He'd be a lot more adept at learning point from Jason than Brandon was.


Not to mention, Wade with no experience at PG is probably better than whatever Knight is trying to do at that spot. Those two are at the opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to basketball iq.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#695 » by raferfenix » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:08 am

WRau1 wrote:If we can somehow bring in Wade and Chandler while retaining Middleton, I think that puts us in east semis. Chandler & Wade probably retire in 2-3 yrs, in time to see what we have in Parker/Middleton/Giannis so then we can properly retool.


Wade would significantly increase our ability to recruit, that's for sure.

We'd be in an even worse position in terms of committing to players who can't shoot from deep. But it'd be exciting even if Wade couldn't ultimately get us past the Cavs in the ECF.
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Post#696 » by TheWig » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:08 am

Max Green wrote:Count me in on bringing in Wade & Chandler while re-signing Middleton. We would be a legit ECF team.


Wade vs. Lebron ECF.....people would love to see that


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Post#697 » by theFireBlanket » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:10 am

Trophies wrote:How does an old, often injured Wade help us take Minnesota?


Bucks set him up with the right trainer to keep him healthy, like they did with Dudley and he adapts his playing style to better function. The development of Jabari, Giannis and Khris [additionally Damien, Rashad] would be the key to being "taking" Minnesota. Other younger players can be added in future drafts, FA and trades.
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#698 » by Trophies » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:14 am

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WRau1 wrote:If we can somehow bring in Wade and Chandler while retaining Middleton, I think that puts us in east semis. Chandler & Wade probably retire in 2-3 yrs, in time to see what we have in Parker/Middleton/Giannis so then we can properly retool.


Wade would significantly increase our ability to recruit, that's for sure.

We'd be in an even worse position in terms of committing to players who can't shoot from deep. But it'd be exciting even if Wade couldn't ultimately get us past the Cavs in the ECF.


How is Wade getting us past the Cavs? We got killed inside and out against the Cavs. Killed. We had NO ANSWER. But, sign Wade, be excited and lose again is a plus?

Are we in this to contend for real? To win a Championship like GS just did?
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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#699 » by WiscoKing13 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:15 am

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Bucks set him up with the right trainer to keep him healthy,

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Re: Free Agency Thread - Will meet w/Monroe, pg. 18 

Post#700 » by Trophies » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:15 am

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Trophies wrote:How does an old, often injured Wade help us take Minnesota?


Bucks set him up with the right trainer to keep him healthy, like they did with Dudley and he adapts his playing style to better function. The development of Jabari, Giannis and Khris [additionally Damien, Rashad] would be the key to being "taking" Minnesota. Other younger players can be added in future drafts, FA and trades.


You know what I'm saying. We need a definite presence in the post.

We needed two things. Shooters and bigs.

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