Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[theFireBlanket]

If we can somehow bring in Wade and Chandler while retaining Middleton, I think that puts us in east semis. Chandler & Wade probably retire in 2-3 yrs, in time to see what we have in Parker/Middleton/Giannis so then we can properly retool.

Wade would significantly increase our ability to recruit, that's for sure.

We'd be in an even worse position in terms of committing to players who can't shoot from deep. But it'd be exciting even if Wade couldn't ultimately get us past the Cavs in the ECF.

But if getting all the way to the ECF could Giannis and Jabari? The level of play those two had reached before Parker went down was pretty high. Those two are pretty explosive and have the ability to challenge LeBron in spots, throw in a switch from Khris or Dwyane. That's pretty formidable without considering Chandler.

[Badgerlander]

I'm not sure why people think Monroe upgrades our offense. He is not a good shooter, nor an above average athlete. He camps in the paint, fights for rebounds, is a good passer, and is pretty crafty at taking what the defense offers. By no means a guy you run offense through or strive to get shots for. Defensively, he is a guy you have to adjust your scheme to cover for. Zaza is not a good defender, but smart enough to execute his assignments. There are some pick and roll coverages that Monroe can't even execute.

Gasol is the guy that puts us in the Eastern Conference Finals, but his acquisition is unfathomable.

Robin Lopez is the gettable guy who matches Zaza's size and strength, upgrades his rebounding and defense, and is basically a wash on offense. I know it is not an exciting acquisition, but I expect our wins would rise significantly with this type of signing.

Monroe in the paint will draw a double team and can pass out of it to the open shooter, RoLo won't, and the difference in price is maybe 3mil?

Disagree. NBA defenses are sophisticated enough to double off of non shooters. Its not like Middleton's man would be coming to stop Monroe. Furthermore, Monroe isn't busting out the dream shake or the sky hook on a regular basis. He gets his points off of putbacks, set ups, and foul shots. Its not like he is eating defennses up with his post scoring.

Very few of you have actually watched Monroe play, based on what I am reading from some of these posts. He is really slow, he doesn't get off the ground, he doesn't have a go to move, he can't create his own looks, and he doesn't have a great motor. The fact that NY has been rumored to be giving him the max caused a lot of laughing in league circles, not because he is a bad player, but because he is just not a max player and it shows Phil J's desperation.

I would love him on a 2 year deal, for what he does bring to the table (rebounding, passing, bulk). But a lot here are describing him as a featured scorer, and thats just not his game / skillset.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Monroe was 5th in the league with 478 post-up possessions, and in general most teams will double him to deny a higher % shot in the post. Robin Lopez had 63 post possessions (less than Zaza 77, Henson 69, Middleton 80, Giannis 103) and in general nobody is going to double team him like ever. Monroe also draws fouls on those possessions at a healthy rate and ANYONE that can get the other teams big men in foul trouble is worth their weight in gold imo.

[theFireBlanket]

Spoiler:

How does an old, often injured Wade help us take Minnesota?

Bucks set him up with the right trainer to keep him healthy, like they did with Dudley and he adapts his playing style to better function. The development of Jabari, Giannis and Khris [additionally Damien, Rashad] would be the key to being "taking" Minnesota. Other younger players can be added in future drafts, FA and trades.

You know what I'm saying. We need a definite presence in the post.

Giannis and Jabari can score in the post. Giannis will be able to defend there in time, whether it's from PF or C.

[JayMKE]

Wade would be a huge get for this franchise if it were somehow possible, he carries a name that will get casual audiences intrigued and this is during a very important time for the Bucks as we enter crunch time with this new arena. I'd love to associate him with this franchise and city in any way possible, I think he lends a lot of credibility and would like to see him mentor our young players.

[tyland]

Man I don't know what Wade has in the tank, but it would be a huge PR signing for the Milwaukee/Marquette fans. Very interesting. I don't see it happening, but...

Good point. Would like help the arena drive and boost team revenue which would mean more money to re-invest into high quality coaching/training staff/medical staff/facilities.

If we can somehow bring in Wade and Chandler while retaining Middleton, I think that puts us in east semis. Chandler & Wade probably retire in 2-3 yrs, in time to see what we have in Parker/Middleton/Giannis so then we can properly retool.

This is a valuable point. Admittedly, I did not think of this potentiality. Both Chandler and Wade would appear to be decent role models for our young players. Would definitely give the team a buzz around the league.

Not to mention a decent Chicago connection between Rose and Parker.

Whilst not my plan A for this off-season, I think I could get behind such an eventuality.

Albeit, I'd be shocked if we got one of these two, let alone both. Perhaps if we get Wade, him and Kidd can persuade Chandler.

[Max Green]

[raferfenix]

So let's say we sign Wade. No sign and trade because the Heat don't want to help us get cap space to sign Chandler or whoever else.

1 - MCW, Vasquez, Ennis
2 - Wade, Mayo, Bayless, Vaughn
3 - Middleton, Ingles
4 - Parker, Dudley
5 - Giannis, ZaZa, Henson, Plumlee

We'd badly need size up front and shooting. Some kind of trade should follow for sure.

But with this general lineup, Wade playing between MCW and Middleton makes him not really playing D any more less damaging. We'd also have the depth to withstand the 15-20+ games he'd miss annually.

Giannis would get beat up at center similarly to how Henson got beat up in the post and on the boards. I can't imagine how most centers would guard him off the dribble though, so as much as we'd be hampered by this we'd also compel teams to react to us.

[Bernman]

Wade would significantly increase our ability to recruit, that's for sure.

We'd be in an even worse position in terms of committing to players who can't shoot from deep. But it'd be exciting even if Wade couldn't ultimately get us past the Cavs in the ECF.

Well, in the scenario I laid out, we'd be in somewhat better position, because I'd have MCW/Henson going out, and at least Wade has a 20-footer, plus Chandler was efficient enough from mid-range in very limited opportunities. To start the season while Jabari is recovering we'd probably be trotting out Wade/Vasquez/Middleton/Giannis/Chandler. I mentioned after the Vasquez acquisition if they do something like go out and get Wade is the only way it makes sense because they complement each other well. That unit's shooting would be alright. Similar to Boston's when they won the title. And you'd expect some improvement from Giannis and Parker. Hell, you'd expect it from Wade as a great player. Look at the way Michael eventually evolved to shoot 3's. Wade only needs to extend his range like 3 feet.

[Trophies]

Spoiler:

Bucks set him up with the right trainer to keep him healthy, like they did with Dudley and he adapts his playing style to better function. The development of Jabari, Giannis and Khris [additionally Damien, Rashad] would be the key to being "taking" Minnesota. Other younger players can be added in future drafts, FA and trades.

You know what I'm saying. We need a definite presence in the post.

Giannis and Jabari can score in the post. Giannis will be able to defend there in time, whether it's from PF or C.

Did you go to any of the games against the Cavs? Neither of those two could stop LBJ. At least, Gianni's couldn't, and that is a lot of faith you are exhibiting in Parker.

[theFireBlanket]

Albeit, I'd be shocked if we got one of these two, let alone both. Perhaps if we get Wade, him and Kidd can persuade Chandler.

I think that Kidd already has Tyson's attention, keep Khris (highly regarded after last year) and add Dwyane. It'd be pretty hard to turn that down over being the last option in Dallas vs. a premiere center. Dallas already let him go after he helped them win a championship. He can't feel too wanted with them courting DeAndre and LaMarcus.

[WRau1]

Spoiler:

You know what I'm saying. We need a definite presence in the post.

Giannis and Jabari can score in the post. Giannis will be able to defend there in time, whether it's from PF or C.

Did you go to any of the games against the Cavs? Neither of those two could stop LBJ. At least, Gianni's couldn't, and that is a lot of faith you are exhibiting in Parker.

Nobody in the world can stop LBJ and that's not the key to beating the Cavs.

[Wisky3]

Lets say we sign Chandler, Wade & Middleton (obviously would have to shed salaries)-- who in the hell would come off the bench? There is no way Kidd trades MCW in my mind.

[SupremeHustle]

Signing Wade would be strange when you could sign Monta Ellis who is just like D-Wade, with some minor exceptions.

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[SupremeHustle]

Lets say we sign Chandler, Wade & Middleton (obviously would have to shed salaries)-- who in the hell would come off the bench? There is no way Kidd trades MCW in my mind.

We'd probably sign Paul Pierce, too. Why not?

[raferfenix]

Wade would significantly increase our ability to recruit, that's for sure.

We'd be in an even worse position in terms of committing to players who can't shoot from deep. But it'd be exciting even if Wade couldn't ultimately get us past the Cavs in the ECF.

Well, in the scenario I laid out, we'd be in somewhat better position, because I'd have MCW/Henson going out, and at least Wade has a 20-footer, plus Chandler was efficient enough from mid-range in very limited opportunities. To start the season while Jabari is recovering we'd probably be trotting out Wade/Vasquez/Middleton/Giannis/Chandler. I mentioned after the Vasquez acquisition if they do something like go out and get Wade is the only way it makes sense because they complement each other well. That unit's shooting would be alright. Similar to Boston's when they won the title. And you'd expect some improvement from Giannis and Parker. Hell, you'd expect it from Wade as a great player. Look at the way Michael eventually evolved to shoot 3's. Wade only needs to extend his range like 3 feet.

I could see MCW heading out if we get Wade. But I also could see us needing to keep him because a Wade / Vasquez pairing would be way too brutal defensively.

Certainly could see us sending Henson out either to pick up enough cap space to sign a center like Chandler or to trade for a big man who can shoot.

I think Giannis could take on a lot of the backup 5 minutes Henson played.

How much salary would we need to drop to sign Wade and Chandler? If it's just finding takers for Bayless / Ennis / Plumlee that should be easy enough. Henson might be required if we have to drop Mayo's salary in a pinch, but I wouldn't do that lightly if we can avoid it.

[WiscoKing13]

And sometimes it means nothing

[theFireBlanket]

Did you go to any of the games against the Cavs? Neither of those two could stop LBJ. At least, Gianni's couldn't, and that is a lot of faith you are exhibiting in Parker.

I wasn't at the BC for any of the Cavs games, no. But I did watch them. Jabari wasn't playing his best defense yet when the Cavs were on the schedule. He did however take it to LeBron on offense on many occasions, leaving the latter in awe at his explosion. LeBron is no pushover on D and Jabari powered through him to the basket multiple times. If he can give it to him on one end, he'll be able to on the other and prior to the ACL tear his defensive effort had increased.

Giannis showed an ability to hang with LeBron when confident, given more experience and added muscle. The one play that stands out in my memory is him keeping LeBron in front and stripping him, then taking the ball cross court. I don't recall exactly what shifted his level of confidence in that particular game, but I suspect it was questionable foul calls. He started playing with less of the fire that he came out with to begin that game.

In the second half of that game when LeBron went off on Giannis, he wasn't being given Gianni's best as he had in the first quarter.

[bigdog34]

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[SupremeHustle]

And sometimes it means nothing

And sometimes it means you're in love.

[Bernman]

I could see MCW heading out if we get Wade. But I also could see us needing to keep him because a Wade / Vasquez pairing would be way too brutal defensively.

Vasquez gets that rep for not having the lateral quickness to guard 1's. But he's better in that department guarding 2's. For what it's worth his opponent PER at the 2 in 13-14 was outstanding.

And Wade in general is outstanding on d.

So I don't agree the pair would be way too brutal defensively. Actually I think it would be good, especially with Kidd coaching them.

As an aside, in this scenario, Vasquez would be bringing the ball up the court, Wade manning the point in the halfcourt, a role he's accustomed to. He'd operate in the center of the perimeter. Vasquez would run to the wing, where he is awesome shooting 3's according to his shot chart. I think it could work beautifully there as well.

Definitely a viable pairing until at least Jabari returns to full strength.

How much salary would we need to drop to sign Wade and Chandler? If it's just finding takers for Bayless / Ennis / Plumlee that should be easy enough. Henson might be required if we have to drop Mayo's salary in a pinch, but I wouldn't do that lightly if we can avoid it.

With Dudley I think we have around 20 million left. Without like 23.5. Maybe with the latter we could make smaller moves. Former we'd have to unload Mayo or Zaza. Chandler/Wade should cost us in the mid 20's next year at least you figure.