Finding that second in line Clipper big

dylandg33 · Post #1 » by **dylandg33** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:52 pm

I got to thinking. How does it sound for the Clippers to go after Kevin Seraphin from the Wizards?

Forte IV · Post #2 » by **Forte IV** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:17 pm

Seraphin wants the chance to be a starter. Doubt he comes for a potential min deal unless we sign and trade Jamal.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #3 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:52 am

I think Amare should be an option. Not much of a defender for sure but he could provide some bench scoring, which may be especially needed if Crawford is traded.

nickhx2 · Post #4 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:50 am

I'd prefer not to. One of the most awful rebounding and defensive big men of all time. Given his athleticism he shoulda been averaging almost twice as many boards as he did in his 8rpg prime. I couldn't fathom how bad he is now that he's lost all of his hops and mobility.

Plus, it's one thing to be paul pierce and not have the legs but still be smart enough to do a couple things. It's another to not have the legs or the smarts or the effort. That's amare and he'd be horrible defensively for us.

Seriously i'd rather have a full bench of 5 players who can't score worth a damn but have the ability to completely muck everything up on defense. We were closing in on it with the one bench mob year with bledsoe and barnes running the show, but it was taken away from us. Right now we have two major playmakers and we stagger them anyway. So, while we may not have bench scoring per se, if you stick big time coast to coast playmakers together with 4 other athletic dudes who can defend, disrupt, and create turnovers then we wouldn't need a conventional bench scorer.

Neddy · Post #5 » by **Neddy** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:55 am

unless Amare is a minimum player, I wouldn't want to go that direction again. we just sold Spencer Hawes away because he is a big who couldn't play defense, signing Amare to anything but a minimum would sport our bigs rotation with only 1 defensive player in DJ and we would be right back in the same predicament.

but as a minimum, hell yeah.

LACtdom · Post #6 » by **LACtdom** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:14 am

Our next big needs to be a gritty defender who can gobble up the boards and nothing more.

nickhx2 · Post #7 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:43 am

honestly i'd rather not even take amare for the minimum. i'd rather just let dawsen gain 20 pounds and earn his stripes as an undersized PF. dude is a tenacious defender and energy player, why not let him grow from day one? come playoff time he might actually give us the real bench action we desperately need.

amare does nothing for us. we simly don't need him. don't forget, guys, adding offense onto offense is why we got screwed out of a championship this year. if we added 2-3 decent defenders last year we'd have swept houston and been 50/50 to take GS and then the cavs. it was absolutely unforgivable that doc killed us with the dudley stuff, but even more unforgivable was his absurd mantra of forgoing defense for offense.

amare would just be hawes all over again.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #8 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:47 am

nickhx2 wrote:honestly i'd rather not even take amare for the minimum. i'd rather just let dawsen gain 20 pounds and earn his stripes as an undersized PF. dude is a tenacious defender and energy player, why not let him grow from day one? come playoff time he might actually give us the real bench action we desperately need.

amare does nothing for us. we simly don't need him. don't forget, guys, adding offense onto offense is why we got screwed out of a championship this year. if we added 2-3 decent defenders last year we'd have swept houston and been 50/50 to take GS and then the cavs. it was absolutely unforgivable that doc killed us with the dudley stuff, but even more unforgivable was his absurd mantra of forgoing defense for offense.

amare would just be hawes all over again.

Amare is better than Hawes. He has a good midrange jumper still and hasn't lost all of his athleticism around the rim.

I disagree about defense being the major reason why the Clippers lost. They couldn't knock down a jumper in the 4th quarter of game 6- that's why they lost.That and the Rockets getting extremely lucky from 3 point range from poor 3 point shooters

Roscoe Sheed · Post #9 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:47 am

LACtdom wrote:Our next big needs to be a gritty defender who can gobble up the boards and nothing more.

Maybe sign up Reggie Evans for spot duty?

LACtdom · Post #10 » by **LACtdom** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:48 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:honestly i'd rather not even take amare for the minimum. i'd rather just let dawsen gain 20 pounds and earn his stripes as an undersized PF. dude is a tenacious defender and energy player, why not let him grow from day one? come playoff time he might actually give us the real bench action we desperately need.

amare does nothing for us. we simly don't need him. don't forget, guys, adding offense onto offense is why we got screwed out of a championship this year. if we added 2-3 decent defenders last year we'd have swept houston and been 50/50 to take GS and then the cavs. it was absolutely unforgivable that doc killed us with the dudley stuff, but even more unforgivable was his absurd mantra of forgoing defense for offense.

amare would just be hawes all over again.

Amare is better than Hawes. He has a good midrange jumper still and hasn't lost all of his athleticism around the rim.

I disagree about defense being the major reason why the Clippers lost. They couldn't knock down a jumper in the 4th quarter of game 6- that's why they lost.That and the Rockets getting extremely lucky from 3 point range from poor 3 point shooters

Every team goes through shooting slumps.. look at GSW in the Finals. Defense is what you rely on when your jump shots aren't falling. If you NEED to knock down all your shots to win then clearly defense is your problem. Our offense was good for most of the season and playoffs.

Forte IV · Post #11 » by **Forte IV** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:51 am

I'd love a Biyombo type guy. Basically only there for defensive and rebounding. I'm the type of person who loves a bench unit that emulates the starting 5. That way if we ever mix and match our bench and starting unit no one will miss a beat.

nickhx2 · Post #12 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:07 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:honestly i'd rather not even take amare for the minimum. i'd rather just let dawsen gain 20 pounds and earn his stripes as an undersized PF. dude is a tenacious defender and energy player, why not let him grow from day one? come playoff time he might actually give us the real bench action we desperately need.

amare does nothing for us. we simly don't need him. don't forget, guys, adding offense onto offense is why we got screwed out of a championship this year. if we added 2-3 decent defenders last year we'd have swept houston and been 50/50 to take GS and then the cavs. it was absolutely unforgivable that doc killed us with the dudley stuff, but even more unforgivable was his absurd mantra of forgoing defense for offense.

amare would just be hawes all over again.

Amare is better than Hawes. He has a good midrange jumper still and hasn't lost all of his athleticism around the rim.

I disagree about defense being the major reason why the Clippers lost. They couldn't knock down a jumper in the 4th quarter of game 6- that's why they lost.That and the Rockets getting extremely lucky from 3 point range from poor 3 point shooters

amare had a resurgent year this past one. but he's been on a steep decline for years now. if spencer hawes were on a normal team with a coach who didn't have his head up his ass he'd be putting up quality numbers. so i disagree that amare is better than hawes. literally all amare is good for is to pick and pop or to dunk if nobody is around. he does nothing else of worth.

about the defense: i am gonna say you are 100% wrong. if you go back and look at the game, you see that doc tries his best not to lose it by leaving blake and cp3 in from the end of the 3rd through the start of the 4th. that left those two guys COMPLETELY out of gas for the end of the 4th when it mattered. they might as well have been furniture on the court.

doc had no one he would trust and he played the situation like an idiot to begin with. but if we had actual decent defenders instead of morons like jamal crawford then they actually put a plug on houston, give blake and cp3 a good few minutes of rest, and allow us to waltz into the WCF.

and that's just what happened in a vacuum. jumpers live and die. jj missed some unforgivable shots. jamal TOOK unforgivable shots. but defense doesn't come and go the way shooting does. having defenders would have mattered. and taking amare on is gonna kill us more than once when he takes a jumper, stands there unwilling to box out, then jogs down the court to give the other team an uncontested layup.

nickhx2 · Post #13 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:08 pm

Forte IV wrote:I'd love a Biyombo type guy. Basically only there for defensive and rebounding. I'm the type of person who loves a bench unit that emulates the starting 5. That way if we ever mix and match our bench and starting unit no one will miss a beat.

biyombo would be awesome. it's kind of looking like there's a chance charlotte doesn't keep him. don't think he takes MMLE money but man would he help us out.

in the off chance that DJ leaves, i would definitely try to use full MLE on him.

Forte IV · Post #14 » by **Forte IV** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:59 pm

Idk I don't think I would want to give him the MLE. He's been inconsistent so far in his career which leads me to believe he could actually be had on a min deal

Roscoe Sheed · Post #15 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:38 pm

nickhx2 wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:honestly i'd rather not even take amare for the minimum. i'd rather just let dawsen gain 20 pounds and earn his stripes as an undersized PF. dude is a tenacious defender and energy player, why not let him grow from day one? come playoff time he might actually give us the real bench action we desperately need.

amare does nothing for us. we simly don't need him. don't forget, guys, adding offense onto offense is why we got screwed out of a championship this year. if we added 2-3 decent defenders last year we'd have swept houston and been 50/50 to take GS and then the cavs. it was absolutely unforgivable that doc killed us with the dudley stuff, but even more unforgivable was his absurd mantra of forgoing defense for offense.

amare would just be hawes all over again.

Amare is better than Hawes. He has a good midrange jumper still and hasn't lost all of his athleticism around the rim.

I disagree about defense being the major reason why the Clippers lost. They couldn't knock down a jumper in the 4th quarter of game 6- that's why they lost.That and the Rockets getting extremely lucky from 3 point range from poor 3 point shooters

amare had a resurgent year this past one. but he's been on a steep decline for years now. if spencer hawes were on a normal team with a coach who didn't have his head up his ass he'd be putting up quality numbers. so i disagree that amare is better than hawes. literally all amare is good for is to pick and pop or to dunk if nobody is around. he does nothing else of worth.

about the defense: i am gonna say you are 100% wrong. if you go back and look at the game, you see that doc tries his best not to lose it by leaving blake and cp3 in from the end of the 3rd through the start of the 4th. that left those two guys COMPLETELY out of gas for the end of the 4th when it mattered. they might as well have been furniture on the court.

doc had no one he would trust and he played the situation like an idiot to begin with. but if we had actual decent defenders instead of morons like jamal crawford then they actually put a plug on houston, give blake and cp3 a good few minutes of rest, and allow us to waltz into the WCF.

and that's just what happened in a vacuum. jumpers live and die. jj missed some unforgivable shots. jamal TOOK unforgivable shots. but defense doesn't come and go the way shooting does. having defenders would have mattered. and taking amare on is gonna kill us more than once when he takes a jumper, stands there unwilling to box out, then jogs down the court to give the other team an uncontested layup.

I agree that Amare shouldn't be the first choice, but he isn't horrible. I like Ajinca or McGee, but I'm sure they would be available for what the Clippers have to offer.

theFRANCHISE · Post #16 » by **theFRANCHISE** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:11 am

Jordan Hill won't be resigned by the Lakers, Clippers should pick him up as a reserve. If the price is right.

JayClips92 · Post #17 » by **JayClips92** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:41 am

theFRANCHISE wrote:Jordan Hill won't be resigned by the Lakers, Clippers should pick him up as a reserve. If the price is right.

Would love Jordan Hill off the bench but I don't think he'll come for the vet min.

Post #18 » by **og15** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:50 am

Seraphin is also not a good defender. Alexis Ajinca would be nice, so would Biyombo. Looking at more of a PF, Brandon Bass, but he's likely out of price range along with Biyombo. Ajinca is borderline in the Clippers price range.

Biyombo is a UFA, he's a guy that could certainly help

Max Headrom · Post #19 » by **Max Headrom** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:51 am

Well, with Royce White now flying with no issue, he could be a nice big off the bench. A guy with lottery talent that has yet to really play. If the Clippers sign him after summer league play, that's a pretty big low risk, high reward signing.

Post #20 » by **og15** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:52 am

nickhx2 wrote:
Forte IV wrote:I'd love a Biyombo type guy. Basically only there for defensive and rebounding. I'm the type of person who loves a bench unit that emulates the starting 5. That way if we ever mix and match our bench and starting unit no one will miss a beat.

biyombo would be awesome. it's kind of looking like there's a chance charlotte doesn't keep him. don't think he takes MMLE money but man would he help us out.

in the off chance that DJ leaves, i would definitely try to use full MLE on him.

Charlotte didn't give him the QO, he's an unrestricted FA, so yea, he's quite available now.