Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

thamadkant · Post #801 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:15 am

Bledsoe + Tucker = 19 million (approx)
Love's max starts at 19 million (give or take a few hundred Ks)

The main reason I see it being appealing to Lebron is... they know Warriors is the benchmark.. then followed by Spurs/Grizzlies/Rockets... The east is warm-up for them.

Against the Warriors.
C: Thompson
PF: Lebron
SF: Tucker OR JR Smith
SG: Irving
PG: Bledsoe

immense defense to guard the perimeter and have Thompson's rebounding, interior defense hold down the fort. Then they have option of going traditional... with Mozgov and Thompson at the 4.

This justifies them paying Thompson "MAX" or near MAX money... Irving can play the combo guard...

mademan · Post #802 » by **mademan** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:16 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:
mademan wrote:Doesnt PHX already have max cap space? Why would they need to trade Bledsoe to get Love? If Love wants PHX, PHX signs him and keeps Bledsoe (if only as a trade asset). If Love doesnt want PHX, the Cavs cant force him to go

If Lebron wants Bledsoe. Lebron gets Bledsoe.

That, and I think Cleveland has Love's bird rights? Or did that go away when he opted out?

It's a Sign and trade, you dont get bird rights in those. It doesnt matter if Lebron wants Bledsoe, Love is a FA. All that matters is what Love wants. If he wants PHX, PHX can sign him without giving anything to CLE. If he doesnt want PHX, he doesnt have to go

Revived · Post #803 » by **Revived** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:16 am

oldjeezy wrote:
JJ13 wrote:Cavs out: Love, Irving
Cavs in: Boogie, Bledsoe

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Love

Sac out: Boogie
Sac in: Irving

Who says no?

Works in the trade machine...

yo this is the most insane trade i've ever seen that seems like it sort of makes sense

Adam Silver would block this trade for basketball reasons.

If the CP3 trade can get blocked, this definitely getting blocked. No way are the Cavs gonna just get the best big man in the NBA for just Kyrie "glass" Irving.

Post #804 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:17 am

LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe. Sure they are buddies, but LeBron needs shooters around him, not more ballhandlers that can't shoot. They would never ever part with Irving.

And Sac won't part with Cousins.

Just laying out reality.

thamadkant · Post #805 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:22 am

mademan wrote:
Zero Tolerance wrote:
mademan wrote:Doesnt PHX already have max cap space? Why would they need to trade Bledsoe to get Love? If Love wants PHX, PHX signs him and keeps Bledsoe (if only as a trade asset). If Love doesnt want PHX, the Cavs cant force him to go

If Lebron wants Bledsoe. Lebron gets Bledsoe.

That, and I think Cleveland has Love's bird rights? Or did that go away when he opted out?

It's a Sign and trade, you dont get bird rights in those. It doesnt matter if Lebron wants Bledsoe, Love is a FA. All that matters is what Love wants. If he wants PHX, PHX can sign him without giving anything to CLE. If he doesnt want PHX, he doesnt have to go

I would think, the moment Suns FO is allowed to talk to Love, they will show him their plan(s).

Morris brothers can be traded.
Suns have also multiple pick(s) they can dangle to get more support.

I see them trying to sign B.Wright... or if not, go for Biyombo.

Sure, Love can go to Knicks, Lakers, Blazers... but only Blazers have a legit team with him, since they have Lillard. Knicks dont have a PG, Lakers have so many holes.

Sunsdeuce · Post #806 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:23 am

bwgood77 wrote:LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe. Sure they are buddies, but LeBron needs shooters around him, not more ballhandlers that can't shoot. They would never ever part with Irving.

And Sac won't part with Cousins.

Just laying out reality.

Stix · Post #807 » by **Stix** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:24 am

mademan wrote:
Zero Tolerance wrote:
mademan wrote:Doesnt PHX already have max cap space? Why would they need to trade Bledsoe to get Love? If Love wants PHX, PHX signs him and keeps Bledsoe (if only as a trade asset). If Love doesnt want PHX, the Cavs cant force him to go

If Lebron wants Bledsoe. Lebron gets Bledsoe.

That, and I think Cleveland has Love's bird rights? Or did that go away when he opted out?

It's a Sign and trade, you dont get bird rights in those. It doesnt matter if Lebron wants Bledsoe, Love is a FA. All that matters is what Love wants. If he wants PHX, PHX can sign him without giving anything to CLE. If he doesnt want PHX, he doesnt have to go

Maybe the Cavs are working with Love on this so they can save face and get another player instead of trading away Wiggins for a 1-year rental?

Nando88 · Post #808 » by **Nando88** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:25 am

What's hakim warrick doing lately?

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Sunsdeuce · Post #809 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:27 am

Ok, we have been talking about this cavs stuff. Can anyone provide a link or something?

Cutter · Post #810 » by **Cutter** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:27 am

I can't see Portland being attractive to Love. If Blazers couldn't get anything going with Aldridge, what are they going to do for Love. Even the fact that Love was raised in Oregon (is this correct?) doesn't compensate for the fact that the Blazers aren't a good fit for him If he wants to win.

thamadkant · Post #811 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:27 am

Love can totally screw the Cavs over... or he can play ball by agreeing sign and trade with the Suns.. who will be the most competitive team he can Sign&Trade with that the Cavs are also happy to deal with... if that made sense lol.

JJ13 · Post #812 » by **JJ13** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:28 am

David Aldridge ✔@daldridgetnt
So, LaMarcus visit order again, starting Tue at 9 PDT: LAL, HOU, SA, PHO, DAL, TOR, NYK. (No need 2 meet with POR; they're already offered.)

thamadkant · Post #813 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:31 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Ok, we have been talking about this cavs stuff. Can anyone provide a link or something?

*Attempts Jedi mind trick*
"We are not discussing Cavs and Suns trade with Love and Bledsoe.... it doesnt exist"

But seriously, visit one of the following sites and scroll through the info (lol)
- arizonasports
- valleofthesuns
- BSOTS

Trade ideas are fluid though, if things like this spread, it could actually affect discussions.

Stix · Post #814 » by **Stix** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:31 am

JJ13 wrote:David Aldridge ✔@daldridgetnt
So, LaMarcus visit order again, starting Tue at 9 PDT: LAL, HOU, SA, PHO, DAL, TOR, NYK. (No need 2 meet with POR; they're already offered.)

We're on the list?!

Cutter · Post #815 » by **Cutter** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:33 am

I think Suns need to think outside the box and have some prime Scottsdale poontang lined up for Aldridge. A lineup with Morris, Morris, Green may not appeal to him, but a taste of a prime Scottsdale Cougar on the prowl might turn him in favor of the desert dwelling Suns. Anyone got an older sister or aunt they want to offer up?

letsgosuns · Post #816 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:33 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:
JJ13 wrote:David Aldridge ✔@daldridgetnt
So, LaMarcus visit order again, starting Tue at 9 PDT: LAL, HOU, SA, PHO, DAL, TOR, NYK. (No need 2 meet with POR; they're already offered.)

We're on the list?!

That is the best gif for this ever!

Blackification · Post #817 » by **Blackification** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:35 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:
JJ13 wrote:David Aldridge ✔@daldridgetnt
So, LaMarcus visit order again, starting Tue at 9 PDT: LAL, HOU, SA, PHO, DAL, TOR, NYK. (No need 2 meet with POR; they're already offered.)

We're on the list?!

equivalent to the bathroom break or pity **** of the schedule

Post #818 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:35 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe. Sure they are buddies, but LeBron needs shooters around him, not more ballhandlers that can't shoot. They would never ever part with Irving.

And Sac won't part with Cousins.

Just laying out reality.

Yes, it's fun to speculate and create fantasies, but I do like to be grounded in what actually MIGHT happen. But still fun to read your fantasies.

The thing is, LeBron is basically the point, and he needs to be surrounded by shooters. They don't really need a real pg. Same with Harden...Beverly hits the 3 better than Bledsoe, is cheaper and is also a good defender. Harden and LeBron draw so much attention it leaves guys open. What is Bledsoe going to do for the Cavs? He wouldn't be the primary ballhandler...sure he can play good D, but they need shooters. Shumpert is a good enough defender to guard opposing players best guard.

thamadkant · Post #819 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:37 am

Aldridge will laugh off Lakers... too crappy.

He might entertain the Rockets, but Morey-ball is against his style of play... mid-range big man. He's stats will suffer.

He will enjoy Spurs's presentation, he fits perfect IMO.

Mavs will struggle to sell Parsons to him as his co-star post Dirk...

Suns have a good case... but chances are Spurs will be his first choice.

Raptors will appeal because its out-east, but he knows the team still needs some moves to be on Cavs level..

Knicks will get the same treatment as Lakers... that he has witness how Melo made Amare Stoudemire useless.. Aldridge needs his mid range and room to operate.

saintEscaton · Post #820 » by **saintEscaton** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:37 am

1UPZ wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Ok, we have been talking about this cavs stuff. Can anyone provide a link or something?

*Attempts Jedi mind trick*
"We are not discussing Cavs and Suns trade with Love and Bledsoe.... it doesnt exist"

But seriously, visit one of the following sites and scroll through the info (lol)
- arizonasports
- valleofthesuns
- BSOTS

Trade ideas are fluid though, if things like this spread, it could actually affect discussions.

So 3 of the most biased "news" outlets known for their blind homerism/wishful thinking. Seems legit