The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

[Kabookalu]

For all this talk about how dominant a defender Biz is and how terrible Al is, I was surprised to learn that Biz was only a -2.8 per 100 possessions on D and Al was only +1.3.

I'm curious what his advanced stats and splits look like during the stretch you guys went 9-4 with him as a starter. I remember reading an article about how Biyombo made Charlotte one of the best defensive teams in the league during the span.

[Al Kidd-Walker]

I'm sorry, but that passage from QCH actually did the exact opposite of "nail it" and I can't believe how quickly you guys forget about what actually happened last season. We played our best basketball last season when Biz started and got consistent minutes and his numbers scaled up pretty much perfectly with his per 36 averages. During the stretch before he got injured when he was starting he was averaging like 8-9 points, 12+ rebounds, and 3+ blocks per game AND WE WERE WINNING BASKETBALL GAMES. Once people find a narrative they like they will not let it go no matter what happens. Biz was our best big last season. His on-court/off-court stats before he came back from injury and played like **** were pretty much the best of anyone on our team. Plowright is a cool dude but he is way off.

edit: I forgot to mention all the games before Al got injured where we'd be getting waxed until Biz came in and started shutting down the paint and our defense got us back in the game, only for us to immediately go back to getting waxed when Biz came back out.

ding ding ding.. people still talk like MKG cant shoot a rock into the ocean

team was OBVIOUSLY better with Biz on the court than Al and people are acting as if this isnt a big loss because he had a few flaws.. funny how those flaws became irrelevant when he was on the court with a guard that actually liked to pass him the ball at the right time and throw him lobs

[amcoolio]

I'm really close to not caring about this team until management is gone. I mean how much can one fanbase take? At least Minnesota and Sacramento have stars. I think we are easily the most tortured fanbase in the NBA and right up there with the Browns, Raiders, and Maple Leafs across all sports. At least the Raiders and Leafs have some history to fall back on. So, the Hornets are the Browns of the NBA.


How do you have 11 or whatever lottery picks since entering the NBA and none of them are/were close to being an all-star?

[Robot Rock]

I'm really close to not caring about this team until management is gone. I mean how much can one fanbase take? At least Minnesota and Sacramento have stars. I think we are easily the most tortured fanbase in the NBA and right up there with the Browns, Raiders, and Maple Leafs across all sports. At least the Raiders and Leafs have some history to fall back on. So, the Hornets are the Browns of the NBA.


How do you have 11 or whatever lottery picks since entering the NBA and none of them are/were close to being an all-star?

Kemba was close to it before he got hurt last year. I mean, I know no one from here would vote for him obviously, but among coaches he was certainly on the short list.

[Braggins]

For all this talk about how dominant a defender Biz is and how terrible Al is, I was surprised to learn that Biz was only a -2.8 per 100 possessions on D and Al was only +1.3.

I'm curious what his advanced stats and splits look like during the stretch you guys went 9-4 with him as a starter. I remember reading an article about how Biyombo made Charlotte one of the best defensive teams in the league during the span.

Not counting the game he got injured and played 7 minutes.

25.8 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.7 bpg


I went back and found some interesting stuff from around this time.

JDM3
"On the season we have given up 99.5 ppg and over the last five with Biz we are at 94.4 ppg. The 99.5 number includes these last 5 as well."

catch22
"For the season our offensive rating has been 103.9 with Biz on the floor and 97.1 with Al on the floor."

BizGilWalker
Paraphrasing here. He posted a chart that showed individual +/- for everyone on the team up until mid-January. Biz had the best at +52. MKG was second at +21. Everyone else on the team was negative. Al was at -150, which came in last by a big margin. Also, at the time, Biz was 2nd in block percentage (behind Rudy Gobert), 7th in rebounding percentage (behind Andre Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler, Omer Asik, DeMarcus Cousins and Zach Randolph), and 11th in field-goal percentage (behind Brandan Wright, DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler, Rudy Gobert, Ed Davis, James Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Mason Plumlee, Dwight Howard and Amir Johnson).

I'll end on a quote from Popovich from after the game where we almost beat them and Biz put up 12, 15, and 5, in 29 minutes.

“I thought he was a monster,” Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich said. “He’s so strong, so athletic, so young. We just didn’t have anybody. We were talking about gang rebounding — it didn’t matter. He was too much of an athlete for us.”

[SeanBobcats]

This leads to me believing that we plan to keep Al after this year. Our FO is full of idiots.

[LamarMatic7]

Sounds pretty much like we'd only bring him back at the minimum or something. He's basically a goner.

You've been awfully quiet lately Lamar. What are your thoughts on these off-season moves?

Yeah, I've been enjoying the summer. Haven't spent that much time in the city.

I haven't really liked any of the moves we've made, besides the low-risk shot we took at Lamb.

[Tupik]

Oh you have got to be kidding me...

[Diop]

I get all the talk about how bad Biz was offensively and how it hurt the team. I read some of the posts from people who have a lot better basketball mind than me and find myself nodding along finding it hard to argue.

But.....the problem I have is that we still won with him starting, playing big minutes.
Its like a much lighter version of the MKG argument, yeah the stats seem average, but somehow we seemed to play well when he was on.

I get what you guys are saying, but I don't think that he hurt our team that much.

[BigSlam]

It really surprises me that many people are seriously dismissing Biz's impact last season. I know he finished the year on a down note and that is probably what a lot of people are remembering, but for the first 2/3 of the year he was our 3rd best player, and arguably 2nd best during his pre-injury stint as a starter. Now some people act like he was a drag on the team and that hes obsolete now because of Spencer freaking Hawes.

It really surprises me that many people are seriously embellishing Biz's impact last season. I know he had s couple of good games last year and that is probably what a lot of people are remembering, but for 7/8 of the year he was one of our worst players, and arguably 2nd worst. Now some people act like he was a star on the team and that hes irreplaceable now because of Reasons that can't be explained.


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[BigSlam]

That's 2 of Cho's lottery picks gone.

This isn't a Cho thing.

How many of our lottery picks have made it past their rookie contracts?

Henderson. Any more?

Okafor was extended but traded pretty much immediately.
Felton was extended but traded pretty much straight away.
May didn't.
Morrison didn't.
Augustin didn't.
Biyombo didn't.
Kemba was extended but might not last long.

Who else is there?


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[theonlyclutch]

Damn, the Hornets FO is worse than I thought....

- Extending a chucking PG with no signs of improvement for 12M per
- Trading an expiring for Spencer Hawes

& now letting Biyombo become a UFA? When he has been a much better player than Al (in terms of impact) this season and is only 22? As well as actually suiting the new NBA standard of a center, with the amount of established FA bigs on the market, he's going to be a very valuable commodity.

The Clippers & Mavs are probably calling him with contract offers right now as an insurance against DAJ and Chandler leaving, respectively, and some other teams (like the Hawks & Spurs) could also probably find a nice place for him as a rotation player, at the very least, he'd be a valuable trade asset for Charlotte for the next couple years on a semi-reasonable contract (given the little playing time he had) so what gives?

[Dancingpanda]

Any chance we could resign him for cheaper then his qualifying offer?

[JDR720]

Biz overall isn't a very good basketball player, the only things he is good at is shot blocking and rebounding (mainly on offense).he still cant even catch a ball well, so on that aspect i can understand not wanting to resign him, but from the roster composition i dont get it. he is/was our best interior defender and rebounder, now we dont have a single above average (or maybe even average) interior defender. we cant seriously think a frontline of Al,Frank,Marvin,Hawes and Cody will work on defense and none of them are above average rebounders either.

at least everyone expires this year besides Kemba,MKG(extension) and the rookies. maybe a new front office can come in and redo everything and stick to a plan. if we dont make the playoffs I cant see us keep Cho and Clifford.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Sounds pretty much like we'd only bring him back at the minimum or something. He's basically a goner.

You've been awfully quiet lately Lamar. What are your thoughts on these off-season moves?

Yeah, I've been enjoying the summer. Haven't spent that much time in the city.

I don't know what this means in Latvia. But in South Carolina it basically means you're just going out and getting **** up in the woods and having bonfires in the middle of a field.

I hope it means the same in Latvia.

[Soul Rebel]

I just don't get it for 2 reasons:

1 - Cho drafted him, the team was patient with him, and now at 22 years old, you let him walk. Speaks volumes about our FO/scouting/drafting issues.

2 - What player on the market will give us the talent and defense/rebounding, that is still young enough to stick around, for less than Biz's QO?

It's not that Biyombo is some all-world stud center. Rather, he fits this team way more than Al and at 22, makes no sense to let him walk.

We really are becoming a joke of a franchise in the draft world. It's mind-boggling how few All-Stars/Franchise cornerstones/Premier players we have drafted since inception, with as many top-10 picks that we've had.

I'm still positive about this season with our current roster, but our drafting/future has me nervous.

[yosemiteben]

In Biz's 284 games and almost 6,000 minutes played in Charlotte, he had a total of 86 assists.

[mrknowitall215]

This is sad. I became a Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets follower the same day Bismack Biyombo (in conjunction with Kemba) was drafted here. As a big fan of the theory defense-first leading to offense, it's going to be hard to accept Biyombo leaving for another team, but it might be in his best interest

[thesneakysneak]

maybe the front office found out that he really is 40 years old

[Hornet Mania]

maybe the front office found out that he really is 40 years old

AARP started sending magazines to TWC Arena and the jig was up.