Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[TheBlackCzar]

These trades ya'll coming up with suck....


David Lee for NeNe... That is a stupid trade... I'm sorry but again that is a stupid trade.... WTF....

[TheSecretWeapon]

These trades ya'll coming up with suck....


David Lee for NeNe... That is a stupid trade... I'm sorry but again that is a stupid trade.... WTF....

Can't argue with your reasoning because there isn't any. Why do you think it's a stupid trade?

[Ruzious]

Is there a trade to be had with Milwaukee centered around Nene and the 2016 pick for OJ Mayo and Henson?

I wouldn't rule it out - especially if Milwaukee signs a center. Bucks have to thin out their roster - they have too many players signed, so it helps for them to trade 2 for 1. They want to see if Damien Inglis can stay healthy and play some PF this season. The problem with Henson is that he doesn't give you any offense outside of 3 feet.

[penbeast0]

Anyone else worried that if we actually do a Nene for JJ deal, that Otto Porter will go back to the bench and never develop into a good NBA player?

[LyricalRico]

Anyone else worried that if we actually do a Nene for JJ deal, that Otto Porter will go back to the bench and never develop into a good NBA player?

I could see Randy starting Johnson because he's a vet, but I don't think that prevents Otto from playing big minutes since I would expect Johnson to also be Beal's primary backup. So Otto could still get 24+ mpg at SF, and maybe also steal a few minutes at PF depending on matchups. (I know some have thought Johnson could also play some S4, but I don't see Randy doing that.)

But you are getting me nervous a bit based on Randy's history. If there's a perfect storm of Johnson being effective as a starter, Otto having a couple of bad games in a row, and a healthy Webster is hitting 3's at a decent clip - would Randy drop Otto from the rotation? I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

[Rafael122]

Anyone else worried that if we actually do a Nene for JJ deal, that Otto Porter will go back to the bench and never develop into a good NBA player?

I could see Randy starting Johnson because he's a vet, but I don't think that prevents Otto from playing big minutes since I would expect Johnson to also be Beal's primary backup. So Otto could still get 24+ mpg at SF, and maybe also steal a few minutes at PF depending on matchups. (I know some have thought Johnson could also play some S4, but I don't see Randy doing that.)

But you are getting me nervous a bit based on Randy's history. If there's a perfect storm of Johnson being effective as a starter, Otto having a couple of bad games in a row, and a healthy Webster is hitting 3's at a decent clip - would Randy drop Otto from the rotation? I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

I think the Wiz will do everything they can to limit Webster's playing time. Remember if he plays in a certain amount of games, that last year becomes fully guaranteed.

[penbeast0]

I thought Webster went to NJ in the OP; but yeah, with Wittman's history, I can see Temple getting the backup 2 minutes and JJ playing 35 a game at SF with Porter still playing less than 20/game. If this actually happened, my preference would be starting Otto (since with Wall, Beal, and Gortat in the starting lineup we don't need a shot creator there as much) and bringing JJ off the bench even if he's getting appreciably more minutes than Otto as Manu has done throughout his career in SA.

[Dat2U]

Is there a trade to be had with Milwaukee centered around Nene and the 2016 pick for OJ Mayo and Henson?

Ugh, I'd pass. Not a fan of Henson... Rail thin C. Doesn't space the floor - gets in the way offensively at the 4. Not a real good defender. Not guy I'm interested in... especially considering he's approaching free agency.

Mayo is just a name, he'd be an upgrade at backup SG but he's not my first choice.

[nate33]

Is there a trade to be had with Milwaukee centered around Nene and the 2016 pick for OJ Mayo and Henson?

Ugh, I'd pass. Not a fan of Henson... Rail thin C. Doesn't space the floor - gets in the way offensively at the 4. Not a real good defender. Not guy I'm interested in... especially considering he's approaching free agency.

Mayo is just a name, he'd be an upgrade at backup SG but he's not my first choice.

Yeah. I'd rather do Nene for Mayo + Dudley, and not give up the pick.

[nate33]

Anyone else worried that if we actually do a Nene for JJ deal, that Otto Porter will go back to the bench and never develop into a good NBA player?

I could see Randy starting Johnson because he's a vet, but I don't think that prevents Otto from playing big minutes since I would expect Johnson to also be Beal's primary backup. So Otto could still get 24+ mpg at SF, and maybe also steal a few minutes at PF depending on matchups. (I know some have thought Johnson could also play some S4, but I don't see Randy doing that.)

But you are getting me nervous a bit based on Randy's history. If there's a perfect storm of Johnson being effective as a starter, Otto having a couple of bad games in a row, and a healthy Webster is hitting 3's at a decent clip - would Randy drop Otto from the rotation? I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

I'm not at all worried about Porter's minutes. He'll be fine. Wittman couldn't take him off the floor in the playoffs, and that's with Pierce playing great. Joe Johnson isn't as good as Playoff Pierce, and Porter is only going to get better.

[TheSecretWeapon]

On a per minute basis (using my metric), Mayo was less productive last season than Garrett Temple. Do people really still think Mayo is good? Do they think he might be good one day? Or is this sorta like the Imaginary Blatche thing where people imagine what Mayo could be based on how he looks and how skilled he appears to be and glide past the body of work that says clearly he's a below average player?

Henson is okay. More productive last season than Nenê was.

[nate33]

On a per minute basis (using my metric), Mayo was less productive last season than Garrett Temple. Do people really still think Mayo is good? Do they think he might be good one day? Or is this sorta like the Imaginary Blatche thing where people imagine what Mayo could be based on how he looks and how skilled he appears to be and glide past the body of work that says clearly he's a below average player?

Henson is okay. More productive last season than Nenê was.

While I accept your point that OJ Mayo isn't very good, I have a hard time accepting that he's worse than Garrett Temple. Temple was a slightly more efficient scorer than Mayo, but he did much of his work in garbage time on extremely low usage. I don't know how much I believe your model when it comes to moderately efficient, extremely low-usage, low-minute players.

If we had Mayo in place of Temple last year, Mayo would have taken a lot of shots from Rasual Butler, which would have boosted the team efficiency a great deal over the last 4 months of the season. Temple was incapable of taking on more shots.

[TheSecretWeapon]

On a per minute basis (using my metric), Mayo was less productive last season than Garrett Temple. Do people really still think Mayo is good? Do they think he might be good one day? Or is this sorta like the Imaginary Blatche thing where people imagine what Mayo could be based on how he looks and how skilled he appears to be and glide past the body of work that says clearly he's a below average player?

Henson is okay. More productive last season than Nenê was.

While I accept your point that OJ Mayo isn't very good, I have a hard time accepting that he's worse than Garrett Temple. Temple was a slightly more efficient scorer than Mayo, but he did much of his work in garbage time on extremely low usage. I don't know how much I believe your model when it comes to moderately efficient, extremely low-usage, low-minute players.

If we had Mayo in place of Temple last year, Mayo would have taken a lot of shots from Rasual Butler, which would have boosted the team efficiency a great deal over the last 4 months of the season. Temple was incapable of taking on more shots.

My real point isn't that I'd prefer Temple over Mayo. I'd actually prefer neither. The Wizards can likely find someone better than either guy at the league minimum. As to comparing the two, Mayo shoots better than Temple, no argument. He also commits more turnovers, rebounds less and is a terrible defender. Temple's defensive prowess gets significantly overstated, but he's at least an average defender. Mayo is horrible defensively.

But, it's largely academic -- I don't want either guy.

THAT said, I think the Wizards would be smart if they could swap Nenê plus a first next year for Henson and Mayo. Crummy as he is, Mayo had almost as much trade value as Nenê (using my Real Trade Value calculator), and Henson is worth more than either guy by a significant margin.

Then see if there's a sucker out there to take Mayo. Denver? Charlotte? New Orleans? Lakers? Timberwolves?

[jivelikenice]

Why not Nene for Mayo 1 for 1? Both have little to no value. Wiz pick up another TPE in the process and can use one the the TPEs or the MLE to get a reserve center

[nate33]

My real point isn't that I'd prefer Temple over Mayo. I'd actually prefer neither. The Wizards can likely find someone better than either guy at the league minimum. As to comparing the two, Mayo shoots better than Temple, no argument. He also commits more turnovers, rebounds less and is a terrible defender. Temple's defensive prowess gets significantly overstated, but he's at least an average defender. Mayo is horrible defensively.

But, it's largely academic -- I don't want either guy.

THAT said, I think the Wizards would be smart if they could swap Nenê plus a first next year for Henson and Mayo. Crummy as he is, Mayo had almost as much trade value as Nenê (using my Real Trade Value calculator), and Henson is worth more than either guy by a significant margin.

Then see if there's a sucker out there to take Mayo. Denver? Charlotte? New Orleans? Lakers? Timberwolves?

My problem with Henson is that he would have a $7.4M cap hold next year. Unless the cap goes up significantly more than the $91M figure reported by Zach Lowe, we would have a hard time keeping him while also signing Durant. At the very least, it would mean we'd have to either dump Humphries or refrain from using the MLE on a long term deal this year.

So in the long run, we'd be losing both the 2016 pick and Humphries just to acquire Henson (and probably overpay him next year).

[nate33]

Why not Nene for Mayo 1 for 1? Both have little to no value. Wiz pick up another TPE in the process and can use one the the TPEs or the MLE to get a reserve center

That's a GREAT idea. Milwaukee would probably prefer to make the primary free agency moves first, but after getting the guy or guys they want, this might make a lot of sense for them to bolster their front court depth.

[TheSecretWeapon]

My real point isn't that I'd prefer Temple over Mayo. I'd actually prefer neither. The Wizards can likely find someone better than either guy at the league minimum. As to comparing the two, Mayo shoots better than Temple, no argument. He also commits more turnovers, rebounds less and is a terrible defender. Temple's defensive prowess gets significantly overstated, but he's at least an average defender. Mayo is horrible defensively.

But, it's largely academic -- I don't want either guy.

THAT said, I think the Wizards would be smart if they could swap Nenê plus a first next year for Henson and Mayo. Crummy as he is, Mayo had almost as much trade value as Nenê (using my Real Trade Value calculator), and Henson is worth more than either guy by a significant margin.

Then see if there's a sucker out there to take Mayo. Denver? Charlotte? New Orleans? Lakers? Timberwolves?

My problem with Henson is that he would have a $7.4M cap hold next year. Unless the cap goes up significantly more than the $91M figure reported by Zach Lowe, we would have a hard time keeping him while also signing Durant. At the very least, it would mean we'd have to either dump Humphries or refrain from using the MLE on a long term deal this year.

So in the long run, we'd be losing both the 2016 pick and Humphries just to acquire Henson (and probably overpay him next year).

The 1st round pick is the real hang-up in this thing because that's a longer term asset that would be swapped for potentially a shorter term one. In terms of the trade, it's a short-term Nenê for a short-term Henson.

If the Wizards could land Durant next offseason, I'd be fine with parting ways with Humphries and/or Henson and/or skipping a long-term MLE this season. No combination of those guys is going to make the Wizards title contenders the way Durant would.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Why not Nene for Mayo 1 for 1? Both have little to no value. Wiz pick up another TPE in the process and can use one the the TPEs or the MLE to get a reserve center

That's a GREAT idea. Milwaukee would probably prefer to make the primary free agency moves first, but after getting the guy or guys they want, this might make a lot of sense for them to bolster their front court depth.

I agree. Makes a lot of sense.

[nate33]

The 1st round pick is the real hang-up in this thing because that's a longer term asset that would be swapped for potentially a shorter term one. In terms of the trade, it's a short-term Nenê for a short-term Henson.

If the Wizards could land Durant next offseason, I'd be fine with parting ways with Humphries and/or Henson and/or skipping a long-term MLE this season. No combination of those guys is going to make the Wizards title contenders the way Durant would.

Well, of course. You get rid of anybody outside the core of Wall, Beal, Porter, Gortat and hopefully Oubre.

I'm just saying that rather than trade for Henson, we'd be better off signing Biyombo or Wright to an MLE deal. In 2016, we'd have enough room for that MLE guy, plus Hump, plus the 2016 pick. That's better than the alternative of having Henson and an MLE guy in 2016, but no Hump or pick. (Particularly when Henson will probably cost $10+ to retain)

Look at it this way, in 2016, when we make a bid for Durant, we will definitely have the following players under contract:
Wall
Beal
Porter
Oubre
Gortat
2015 MLE signing

If we don't make the Henson trade, we would also have:
Humphries
2016 pick

If we do make the Henson trade, we would also have:
Henson at roughly $10M a year or more

If that 2015 MLE signing is Biyombo or Wright, then I think the first scenario gives us a much better chance at landing Durant because we'd have a credible three-big rotation of Hump/Wright/Gortat.

[Ruzious]

And since Milwaukee gave away 6.5 mil in cap space in the Greivis trade, what's another 5 mil between friends?