The Tobias Harris Situation

[tiderulz]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/cigamodnalro/status/615924515755950080[/tweet]

It's all Adam's fault!

reading his article, he mentions trying to get Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, along with 4 other PF's. Some are pipe dreams, yet someone who would post similar numbers to what he suggests we need, and is available, he doesnt mention Ed Davis or Amir Johnson.

[Neon1]

Would Skiles lie about them occasionally texting since Milwaukee (pre Magic hire) seems unlikely.

[Driguez]

Same. The city too, also was frustrated by putting all of his efforts into the community and everything to bust his ass on the floor, but still gets mostly crap from the fans. He says he's moved past it though and knows that there's always going to be a group of unhappy fans nomatter the effort put in.

If true, it reminds me of a certain someone. Don't bitch about it. It doesn't matter where you play you will always have fan boys and people who will call you out over everything. Meh.

What I bolded is basically exactly what he said, he said he's come to learn that as a pro athlete you cannot please all fans, no matter what you do. Positive will be positive and negative will be negative.

Just like how you took that and turned it negative as if he was bitching. What he said was a response to something I said to him about appreciating his off court work in the community.

But you just spun it into trying to make him look like Dwight/TMAC or whoever you are implying.

The city too, also was frustrated by putting all of his efforts into the community and everything to bust his ass on the floor, but still gets mostly crap from the fans.

IF TRUE, there is nothing positive to get out of it, it all reeks of drama queen to me. I'm a Harris supporter but come on...

[Devin 1L]

No. 23 Tobias Harris | SF/PF


Last team: Orlando Magic
2014-15 salary: $2.4 million
Suggested AAV: $9.0 million/year ($27.0 million over three years)
FA status: Restricted free agent

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony.

ESPN 2015 Big Board Top 30 Free Agents 2.0

[rcklsscognition]

Tobias didn't favorite that article or tweet.

[tooler]

If there's one way to rally us all behind Tobias, it's posting about ESPN dudes trashing him! You can't say that about our player!

[UCFJayBird]

We have two writers saying very different things. It's gossip and nothing more.

[mojosodope]

Tobias didn't favorite that article or tweet.

yes he did, go take a look at the original tweet

https://twitter.com/adamosgp/status/615711914098827265

[OrlChamps2030]

Really hope we don't lose Tobias for nothing. This isn't the NFL.. You can't just let guys walk and assume you will replace their production.

Just pay his ass and figure it out later

[rcklsscognition]

Tobias didn't favorite that article or tweet.

yes he did, go take a look at the original tweet

https://twitter.com/adamosgp/status/615711914098827265

My fault, I didn't see any favorites on it until I clicked into details. That's pretty f'd up tbh.

[tooler]

Elhassan: Tobias Harris. There's still a strong contingent of NBA folks who are enamored by points per game, and Harris definitely checks that box. He's not a great perimeter shooter, a well below average defender, and a bit of a ball-stopper on offense. But hooray points!

Everyone at ESPN hates our players.

[Driguez]

Really hope we don't lose Tobias for nothing. This isn't the NFL.. You can't just let guys walk and assume you will replace their production.

Just pay his ass and figure it out later

Yep

[Skin]

Q

John Ariemma
@stevekylerNBA so harris doesn't want to play for skiles now?

A

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA 56s56 seconds ago
I have talked to him directly - he has no issues with Skiles, is about being wanted by the franchise and winning.

In other words, Kyler is trying to make more playing time for his buddy Moe by stirring **** about Harris.

[OrlDave]

Elhassan: Tobias Harris. There's still a strong contingent of NBA folks who are enamored by points per game, and Harris definitely checks that box. He's not a great perimeter shooter, a well below average defender, and a bit of a ball-stopper on offense. But hooray points!

Everyone at ESPN hates our players.

They say "hooray points" as a sarcasm, then don't vote for ROY Elf because he doesn't score. Meh, it's ESPN.

[eyriq]

No. 23 Tobias Harris | SF/PF


Last team: Orlando Magic
2014-15 salary: $2.4 million
Suggested AAV: $9.0 million/year ($27.0 million over three years)
FA status: Restricted free agent

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony.

ESPN 2015 Big Board Top 30 Free Agents 2.0

Pretty much bang on my view. At least he made the list this time!

[Skin]

No. 23 Tobias Harris | SF/PF


Last team: Orlando Magic
2014-15 salary: $2.4 million
Suggested AAV: $9.0 million/year ($27.0 million over three years)
FA status: Restricted free agent

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony.

ESPN 2015 Big Board Top 30 Free Agents 2.0

I like ESPN underrating our players. Hopefully they do a good enough job that we don't have to match the max!

[tooler]

Elhassan: Tobias Harris. There's still a strong contingent of NBA folks who are enamored by points per game, and Harris definitely checks that box. He's not a great perimeter shooter, a well below average defender, and a bit of a ball-stopper on offense. But hooray points!

Everyone at ESPN hates our players.

They say "hooray points" as a sarcasm, then don't vote for ROY Elf because he doesn't score. Meh, it's ESPN.

Different people think different things. In the same 5-on-5, Marc Stein, who is more of a traditionalist yay-points kind of guy, calls Tobias underrated.

[mojosodope]

Elhassan: Tobias Harris. There's still a strong contingent of NBA folks who are enamored by points per game, and Harris definitely checks that box. He's not a great perimeter shooter, a well below average defender, and a bit of a ball-stopper on offense. But hooray points!

Everyone at ESPN hates our players.

He didn't even Harris on the first version of the list. Making it seem like he should have been three essentially points out his own ineptness

[Neon1]

No. 23 Tobias Harris | SF/PF


Last team: Orlando Magic
2014-15 salary: $2.4 million
Suggested AAV: $9.0 million/year ($27.0 million over three years)
FA status: Restricted free agent

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony.

ESPN 2015 Big Board Top 30 Free Agents 2.0

Pretty much bang on my view. At least he made the list this time!

Who wrote it? Was it Elahmin or whatever his name is? He and Tobias youngest brother (Torell Jr.) have issues over Torell Jr. coming at him on twitter before.

Torell just went at Adam now too.

[MagicFan101]

If we lose harris then hezonja no doubt starts at the 3. Much less depth with harris gone.

The roster spot doesn't leave with him.

If Harris leaves we have the money and room to sign another quality vet while giving extra time to both Mario and Gordon.

The Day 1 level of play might suffer but if we let Harris go it is because we believe these guys are better long term prospects and we have a nice vet coming in for depth.

You areore confident about our teams ability to attract a quality fa than me.

We don't need to attract a guy like Gasol or Aldridge for this to work.

In recent years we have simply tossed young bodies on the court to see what came of it. What we see is that this team has a lot of athleticism and hustle with some good efficiency by some but only Elf's passing jump out as an elite skill.

If Hezonja is the shooter and play-maker we hope he is and we can sign a physical PF who can still get up and down the court to compliment Vuc we are slowly starting to form into an actual basketball team. A number of such PF options have been mentioned here (Ed Davis, BB, Faried, Hill...) and it is highly likely that we will walk away with one of them.

Now, if we can add such a PF and still have time and money to match Harris then more power to us! I just like the idea of Hezonja's shooting and a tough PF playing alongside Elf and Dipo more than I like the idea of Harris there.