Is this Andre Drummonds next Max figure?!?!?!?!?!

[princeofpalace]

Deandre... the league's best rebounder.

Dre edged him out per 36 15.9 to 15.7

Per minutes stats don't adjust for pace and rebounding opportunities the way that TRB does, which is why I only rely on rebounding rates. DJ grabs more of his team's available rebounds than Drummond does.

DJ has a 24.5% TRB
Drummond is close but just behind at 24% TRB

[roc]

^Dre started off last season pretty slowly to so I will take that into account as well.

IMO he is right there at the top.

[Pugz]

They key is to convince Drummond to go into RFA next offseason. (like the Spurs did with Leonard this past season) Yes he will get the max anyway, but this way his caphold (about 9-10 mil ) is way lower than the 21 mil he will get 2016. This way even after paying 15 mil per year to Jackson and 15 mil per year to Carroll for example the Pistons will have Max capspace with the salary cap going up to 90 mil 2016. If he signs the max extension this offseason he will be on the books for 21 mil 2016 definitely and the Pistons could have about 10 mil capspace.

I was all for locking him up now but if we can do it later and still have space for another max contract, gotta get dre on board for that. thatd either bring in an elite player or a few exceptional role players.

[roc]

if dre gets the 'designated player' max then it's a five year extension, the first year starting at 25% of the salary cap with a 7.5% annual increase.

if the cap for 2017 is $89 million (a projection I've seen quite often), then his contract looks like:

2017: $22,250,000
2018: $23,918,750
2019: $25,712,657
2020: $27,641,105
2021: $29,714,188
Total five year extension: $129,236,700

just for a comparison, next year davis will likely be either an all-star starter or make an all-nba team (have to do either twice on your rookie contract) to qualify for the 'rose exception', where the player can get 30% of the salary cap to start. his extension would look like:

2017: $26,700,000
2018: $28,702,500
2019: $30,855,188
2020: $33,169,327
2021: $35,657,026
Total five year extension: $155,084,040

Rolling with your cap numbers and the 7.5%...

7.5% = based on 1st year only so each year the raise is based off that original increase

Andre would be at $1,668,750 raise per season

2017: $22,250,000
2018: $23,918,750
2019: $25,587,500
2020: $27,256,250
2021: $28,925,000

Total: $127,937,500

Anthony Davis - would get $2,002,500 raise per season

2017: $26,700,000
2018: $28,702,500
2019: $30,705,000
2020: $32,707,500
2021: $34,710,000

Total: $153,525,000

[princeofpalace]

^Dre started off last season pretty slowly to so I will take that into account as well.

IMO he is right there at the top.

Drummond could be the better this next season since he will be playing alongside Ilyasova now instead of Moose.

[roc]

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[rmfc]

^Dre started off last season pretty slowly to so I will take that into account as well.

IMO he is right there at the top.

Drummond could be the better this next season since he will be playing alongside Ilyasova now instead of Moose.

Yep. Not just the addition of Ersan, the system (and the PG to run that system) itself is now tailored to fit Drummond and his elite athleticism at C, perfectly.

[313 Professor]

Bigs get hurt too. Another reason I'd be hesitant to pay him like this. Drummond is built well and athletic and I wish him and us the best. But, we've seen what has happened historically and in recent history with bigs like Yao, Pekovic, Embiid, Oden, Bynum, etc. Most bigs now are having NFL RB type careers

[zeebneeb]

Bigs get hurt too. Another reason I'd be hesitant to pay him like this. Drummond is built well and athletic and I wish him and us the best. But, we've seen what has happened historically and in recent history with bigs like Yao, Pekovic, Embiid, Oden, Bynum, etc. Most bigs now are having NFL RB type careers

so we shouldn't pay, drummond, who could be (I feel he will be, without question within two years time)the best center in the league, because he [could] get hurt?

What?

[roc]

^Dre started off last season pretty slowly to so I will take that into account as well.

IMO he is right there at the top.

Drummond could be the better this next season since he will be playing alongside Ilyasova now instead of Moose.

Yep. Not just the addition of Ersan, the system (and the PG to run that system) itself is now tailored to fit Drummond and his elite athleticism at C, perfectly.

and no Josh at all this season so double bonus

[coordinator0]

This was from yesterday:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Vincent_Ellis56/status/615571340473565184[/tweet]

I like it. Seems like Drummond is happy enough with the Pistons to want a long-term deal done now. Obviously the security against injuries and such plays into it but at least it doesn't see like another Monroe situation is going to happen.

[rmfc]

Bigs get hurt too. Another reason I'd be hesitant to pay him like this. Drummond is built well and athletic and I wish him and us the best. But, we've seen what has happened historically and in recent history with bigs like Yao, Pekovic, Embiid, Oden, Bynum, etc. Most bigs now are having NFL RB type careers

so we shouldn't pay, drummond, who could be (I feel he will be, without question within two years time)the best center in the league, because he [could] get hurt?

What?

[rmfc]

This was from yesterday:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Vincent_Ellis56/status/615571340473565184[/tweet]

I like it. Seems like Drummond is happy enough with the Pistons to want a long-term deal done now. Obviously the security against injuries and such plays into it but at least it doesn't see like another Monroe situation is going to happen.

Awesome.

[Snakebites]

Come on, brass.

Don't make the same mistake Dumars did with Monroe....

[313 Professor]

Bigs get hurt too. Another reason I'd be hesitant to pay him like this. Drummond is built well and athletic and I wish him and us the best. But, we've seen what has happened historically and in recent history with bigs like Yao, Pekovic, Embiid, Oden, Bynum, etc. Most bigs now are having NFL RB type careers

so we shouldn't pay, drummond, who could be (I feel he will be, without question within two years time)the best center in the league, because he [could] get hurt?

What?

That's like reason #6. Flip em... I think he will be the best Center in the league statistically soon... and a consistent all-star. Just like the ringless Dwight Howard lol BIG-TIME empty stats on low offensive efficiency.

I didn't respond to your small market post in the other thread but I was using the term in reference to the likelihood that a player would want to come here in FA not the market. I know that DET isn't technically a small market but at the moment it's near the middle/bottom of the list as a FA destination (weather, tax-paying, winning, etc)

[pistontr]

please do not compare drummond to davis. it is ridiculous.

[MrBigShot]

Bigs get hurt too. Another reason I'd be hesitant to pay him like this. Drummond is built well and athletic and I wish him and us the best. But, we've seen what has happened historically and in recent history with bigs like Yao, Pekovic, Embiid, Oden, Bynum, etc. Most bigs now are having NFL RB type careers

so we shouldn't pay, drummond, who could be (I feel he will be, without question within two years time)the best center in the league, because he [could] get hurt?

What?

That's like reason #6. Flip em... I think he will be the best Center in the league statistically soon... and a consistent all-star. Just like the ringless Dwight Howard lol BIG-TIME empty stats on low offensive efficiency.

I didn't respond to your small market post in the other thread but I was using the term in reference to the likelihood that a player would want to come here in FA not the market. I know that DET isn't technically a small market but at the moment it's near the middle/bottom of the list as a FA destination (weather, tax-paying, winning, etc)

Anyone i've come across that we feels we should trade Dre feels that way because they -don't- believe in his potential to be a superstar or even a guy that's a notch below that but a regular all star. You think he'll be as great as Dwight (we're talking prime time Orlando young Dwight here, the 3x DPOY) and you still want to trade him?

If you really believe he'll be that good, short of someone better than him like Durant, Harden, Curry ect...we aren't going to get fair value for a trade involving Drummond, and there's no way those guys will be traded barring a scenario where they demand one or make it clear they are leaving during the final year of their contract. If I'm SVG I'd give him the max extension he wants and avoid another potential qualifying offer fiasco, knowing that he's only 21 years old and just dropped 16/15/2 post all star break this season and showed great chemistry with our PG.

[313 Professor]

so we shouldn't pay, drummond, who could be (I feel he will be, without question within two years time)the best center in the league, because he [could] get hurt?

What?

That's like reason #6. Flip em... I think he will be the best Center in the league statistically soon... and a consistent all-star. Just like the ringless Dwight Howard lol BIG-TIME empty stats on low offensive efficiency.

I didn't respond to your small market post in the other thread but I was using the term in reference to the likelihood that a player would want to come here in FA not the market. I know that DET isn't technically a small market but at the moment it's near the middle/bottom of the list as a FA destination (weather, tax-paying, winning, etc)

Anyone i've come across that we feels we should trade Dre feels that way because they -don't- believe in his potential to be a superstar or even a guy that's a notch below that but a regular all star. You think he'll be as great as Dwight (we're talking prime time Orlando young Dwight here, the 3x DPOY) and you still want to trade him?

If you really believe he'll be that good, short of someone better than him like Durant, Harden, Curry ect...we aren't going to get fair value for a trade involving Drummond, and there's no way those guys will be traded barring a scenario where they demand one or make it clear they are leaving during the final year of their contract. If I'm SVG I'd give him the max extension he wants and avoid another potential qualifying offer fiasco, knowing that he's only 21 years old and just dropped 16/15/2 post all star break this season and showed great chemistry with our PG.

Dwight Howard, Allen Iverson, Karl Malone, Amar'e Stoudemire, Rajon Rondo, and even Monta Ellis, etc are all guys capable of putting up awesome All-Star numbers year in and year out as the main guy. But without considerable help they're not enough to get a team over the hump to win a title. Stats aren't everything. Drummond is essentially a slightly better Dwight 2.0 at his ceiling... A team even better than that Orlando team he had and the Rockets now will be necessary to win a title with Dre. These type players have more value in a trade than on your team because at that flexibility crippling max contract, even their ceiling doesn't lead to titles.

[DetroitSho]

I seriously have no idea who half the guys on this forum would be willing to give money to.

[tmorgan]

How can you not want to give a 21-year-old that's the best offensive rebounder since (I think) Dennis Rodman whatever the max is? Yes, he has a lot of things to work on, and yes, it's got some serious risk to it, but every damn contract in existence has some risk unless you can get a star with no injury history to sign an extra short deal.

Sure it could blow up in the Pistons face, but so could literally anything else they do. Andre has a very strong health record, a good attitude, and he likes it here. You MUST keep him as a Piston. If he only develops a little more (a certainty at 21), you're looking at 17/13 with good defense. If he develops significantly more, you could be looking at 20/13 with great defense, which is among the best players in the league.