Tobias Harris To Pursue Near Max Deal With Pistons, Celtics Among Leading Suitors

[Han Solo]

if it's down to carroll or Green, I'd pick Carroll.
I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

Same here. Green is more of a SG. Caroll is a legit SF. Would be a great player for Stanley to learn from too.

Tobias Harris is who I really want though.

[Todd3]

If we get Danny Green then we better trade KCP for an actual starting SF, not a SG trying to play SF for the first time in his career

And yes Danny Green is nothing but a product of the Spurs system much like Draymond Green is a product of the Warriors system, he wouldn't be half as effective on another team

Danny Green played half his minutes at SF last year. He is an excellent shooter who plays really good defense. That skill set will fit into any system today, not just the Spurs, but especially SVGs. He is not going to forgot how to shoot and play defense because he is playing for Stan instead of Popovich. Both systems are based around pick and rolls, dribble penetration and threes. He would fit perfect here.

[Han Solo]

We don't stand a chance at Green.

[Kilo]

^You will eat those words. We'll sign him 4 yrs 44M. He hasn't made a lot of money (relatively speaking) and has a ring, I think he'd be perfectly fine signing here if we offer him the most money. He's made around $12M total over his career, he's not in the position to leave millions on the table with this contract.

[dVs33]

I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

i don't understand this line of thinking. unless they're bringing in lebron, EVERY GM signing free agents is going to overspend this offseason. we're especially going to have to spend a little extra because of the "detroit tax" to get players to sign here.

what do you guys who follow this line thinking think we should do? stand pat until next offseason, possibly forgoing a desperately needed postseason run for drummond, jackson, KCP, etc.? sign a cheap wing, hoping he can outplay his contract? trade what little assets we have for a middling wing?

ugh, i just don't get it. the time is now, people. we NEED to go out and get a difference-maker. for drummond's faith in the franchise, for the growth and development of KCP and SJ, for my own personal sanity, we need to play some winning basketball. for ****'s sake, how can you piss and moan over a slight overpay when the cap's about to skyrocket??

unless i'm missing something, i think coming out of this FA with anything less than a starter would be a major disappointment.

/rant

Josh Smith was supposed to be a difference maker.

SVG isn't that stupid, but I don't like the idea of spending $14 mil on a guy that isn't a core member of the franchise.
Maybe I'm just a nervous nelly when it comes to free agency because Dumars continually screwed it up.
I'm fine with either Green or Carroll if we can get them, but I just don't want to overspend on guys that I don't classify as difference makers

[joedumars1]

^You will eat those words. We'll sign him 4 yrs 44M. He hasn't made a lot of money (relatively speaking) and has a ring, I think he'd be perfectly fine signing here if we offer him the most money. He's made around $12M total over his career, he's not in the position to leave millions on the table with this contract.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/29/look-for-pistons-to-target-these-free-agents/29469905/

LONGSHOTS

Danny Green, 6-6 forward, Spurs (unrestricted): He is likely to stay win SanAntonio, where he proclaimed himself a "Spur for life," though he could end up with the Knicks, who have $27 million in cap space. It would be a shock to see him come to the Pistons. Green averaged 11.7 points and shot 41.8 percent on 3-pointers last season. Last year's salary: $4 million.

Wesley Matthews, 6-5 forward, Trail Blazers (unrestricted): Matthews must come down from his asking price of $15 million per season. If he does the Pistons might be able to sneak in because he is coming off an Achilles injury that could slow him defensively. Last season he averaged 15.9 points and shot 38.9 percent from three. Last year's salary: $7.2 million.

Not sure how much weight the article holds. I'm sacred of giving a player like
Tobias a 4-5yr max deal, if it was 2-3 cool, I prefer Carroll on a 2 years deal, if he would be cool with that. Would love Corey Brewer, but imagine he will go to a contender.

[DetroitSho]

There's 450 players in the NBA. According to RealGM, about 445 of them are overpaid. Not that I'm advocating signing Harris one way or another, but if per CBA rules we could pay him $20 million/ year and eventually signed him for $15 million (or whatever max is) I don't think people would care as much. This artificial cap on what he can be paid (which literally will exist for one year) clouds people minds on what's overpaid or not.

[Todd3]

^You will eat those words. We'll sign him 4 yrs 44M. He hasn't made a lot of money (relatively speaking) and has a ring, I think he'd be perfectly fine signing here if we offer him the most money. He's made around $12M total over his career, he's not in the position to leave millions on the table with this contract.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/06/29/look-for-pistons-to-target-these-free-agents/29469905/

LONGSHOTS

Danny Green, 6-6 forward, Spurs (unrestricted): He is likely to stay win SanAntonio, where he proclaimed himself a "Spur for life," though he could end up with the Knicks, who have $27 million in cap space. It would be a shock to see him come to the Pistons. Green averaged 11.7 points and shot 41.8 percent on 3-pointers last season. Last year's salary: $4 million.

Wesley Matthews, 6-5 forward, Trail Blazers (unrestricted): Matthews must come down from his asking price of $15 million per season. If he does the Pistons might be able to sneak in because he is coming off an Achilles injury that could slow him defensively. Last season he averaged 15.9 points and shot 38.9 percent from three. Last year's salary: $7.2 million.

Not sure how much weight the article holds. I'm sacred of giving a player like
Tobias a 4-5yr max deal, if it was 2-3 cool, I prefer Carroll on a 2 years deal, if he would be cool with that. Would love Corey Brewer, but imagine he will go to a contender.

Ken Berger disagrees with Foster on Green. Also stuff on Carroll too.

"The Spurs have more than $40 million in free-agent cap holds on their books, which will begin to disappear once they re-sign Kawhi Leonard and bring back Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili at numbers far below their current cap holds of $15.5 million and $10.5 million, respectively. Danny Green is a free agent, too, so Haywood's contract certainly would make for more do-able math. (League sources, though, believe Green is a goner, with the Trail Blazers, Mavericks and Pistons registering interest.)

Similarly, the Atlanta Hawks have a dilemma with free agents DeMarre Carroll and Paul Millsap, both of whom will have multiple suitors come 12:01 a.m. ET Wednesday. Atlanta got some relief Tuesday when Pero Antic decided to leave the NBA for a deal with Fenerbahce in Turkey. That move cleared enough room for the Hawks to pay Carroll, a restricted free agent, about $12 million in the first year of his new deal. It will be challenging for Atlanta to retain both Carroll and Millsap, but more room can be cleared by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Mike Muscala and Austin Daye, and/or by off-loading the $3.3 million contract of Mike Scott in a trade."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/25229457/free-agency-buzz-the-grunt-work-behind-the-flashy-free-agent-moves

[The Penguin]

The Lakers want to open up 2 max spots to chase LMA and DeAndre. To do so they need to dump Randle / Nick Young / Ryan Kelly. Young is obviously an idiot and not ideal, but can shoot and would play in our wing rotation. Kelly is a young stretch 4 who can play some slight time at the 3. Randle is obviously the real prize and could be our backup big/long term 4. We could take the package and still have ~$9 mil in cap room, if we got someone to take Jennings or Meeks we could still sign one of Carroll/Green or give Harris his max offer. Anyone interested in throwing them a lotto protected 1st for that package?

[MotownMadness]

The Lakers want to open up 2 max spots to chase LMA and DeAndre. To do so they need to dump Randle / Nick Young / Ryan Kelly. Young is obviously an idiot and not ideal, but can shoot and would play in our wing rotation. Kelly is a young stretch 4 who can play some slight time at the 3. Randle is obviously the real prize and could be our backup big/long term 4. We could take the package and still have ~$9 mil in cap room, if we got someone to take Jennings or Meeks we could still sign one of Carroll/Green or give Harris his max offer. Anyone interested in throwing them a lotto protected 1st for that package?

There's no way we're getting Randle with just a lottery protected 1st. We could try for a unprotected 1st but I still don't know if that gets it done or not.

[SAKURABA216]

The Lakers want to open up 2 max spots to chase LMA and DeAndre. To do so they need to dump Randle / Nick Young / Ryan Kelly. Young is obviously an idiot and not ideal, but can shoot and would play in our wing rotation. Kelly is a young stretch 4 who can play some slight time at the 3. Randle is obviously the real prize and could be our backup big/long term 4. We could take the package and still have ~$9 mil in cap room, if we got someone to take Jennings or Meeks we could still sign one of Carroll/Green or give Harris his max offer. Anyone interested in throwing them a lotto protected 1st for that package?

It sounds like they need us more than we need them so I dont know about including the 1st, but I'm definitely interested if we can land Randle, at least Randle can become a part of our core. Maybe we can use that 1st to lure someone to take Meeks or Jennings so we can max out Tobias. That would be a dream come true, but I don't see it happening.

[SAKURABA216]

The Lakers want to open up 2 max spots to chase LMA and DeAndre. To do so they need to dump Randle / Nick Young / Ryan Kelly. Young is obviously an idiot and not ideal, but can shoot and would play in our wing rotation. Kelly is a young stretch 4 who can play some slight time at the 3. Randle is obviously the real prize and could be our backup big/long term 4. We could take the package and still have ~$9 mil in cap room, if we got someone to take Jennings or Meeks we could still sign one of Carroll/Green or give Harris his max offer. Anyone interested in throwing them a lotto protected 1st for that package?

There's no way we're getting Randle with just a lottery protected 1st. We could try for a unprotected 1st but I still don't know if that gets it done or not.

You're way more knowledgeable than I am. If it takes a 1st to get Randle then so be it.

[princeofpalace]

The only LAL Id want is Russell.

[MotownMadness]

The Lakers want to open up 2 max spots to chase LMA and DeAndre. To do so they need to dump Randle / Nick Young / Ryan Kelly. Young is obviously an idiot and not ideal, but can shoot and would play in our wing rotation. Kelly is a young stretch 4 who can play some slight time at the 3. Randle is obviously the real prize and could be our backup big/long term 4. We could take the package and still have ~$9 mil in cap room, if we got someone to take Jennings or Meeks we could still sign one of Carroll/Green or give Harris his max offer. Anyone interested in throwing them a lotto protected 1st for that package?

There's no way we're getting Randle with just a lottery protected 1st. We could try for a unprotected 1st but I still don't know if that gets it done or not.

You're way more knowledgeable than I am. If it takes a 1st to get Randle then so be it.

If they are just wanting a salary dump they will probably use him to dump a contract and still expect a unprotected 1st back in my opinion. Gotta remember he's still a highly valuable prospect injury or not.

[The Penguin]

There's no way we're getting Randle with just a lottery protected 1st. We could try for a unprotected 1st but I still don't know if that gets it done or not.

You're way more knowledgeable than I am. If it takes a 1st to get Randle then so be it.

If they are just wanting a salary dump they will probably use him to dump a contract and still expect a unprotected 1st back in my opinion. Gotta remember he's still a highly valuable prospect injury or not.

If they knew they were getting LMA AND Jordan, I think they'd be much less insistent on the price for the package. You aren't going to screw around and let those two get cold feet as they'd likely have to take just under the max. Given they don't have their 1st next year, I'd believe they'd take a 1st with top 10-13 protection to pull it off.

[MotownMadness]

You're way more knowledgeable than I am. If it takes a 1st to get Randle then so be it.

If they are just wanting a salary dump they will probably use him to dump a contract and still expect a unprotected 1st back in my opinion. Gotta remember he's still a highly valuable prospect injury or not.

If they knew they were getting LMA AND Jordan, I think they'd be much less insistent on the price for the package. You aren't going to screw around and let those two get cold feet as they'd likely have to take just under the max. Given they don't have their 1st next year, I'd believe they'd take a 1st with top 10-13 protection to pull it off.

IDK, I have a real hard time imagining they couldn't d get a unprotected 1st for him as soon as they throw him on the market. I don't think they would have to settle for anything like a lottery protected pick for him.

[DetroitPistons]

If LAL is looking to dump Randle we should be all over that. He is a PF who can spread the floor and has tremendous upside. I would throw some pics at them to make that deal happen.

[bballnmike]

The Lakers didn't want to give up Randle in potential trades for Cousins. No way they'd give him up just for salary dump.

[DetroitPistons]

The Lakers didn't want to give up Randle in potential trades for Cousins. No way they'd give him up just for salary dump.

If their plans are the get LMA AND Jordan they will

[Snakebites]

^They would have to trade everyone on their roster except Kobe, INCLUDING Russell, or would have to sell LMA and Jordan on discounts if they want to keep Russell and/or Randle.

This is where the Kobe contract really bites them in the arse.