Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 5

[LyricalRico]

For months, the Knicks and rival executives have believed that New York is the likely destination for Detroit fre- agent forward Greg Monroe, and now it appears that Afflalo is the most likey target to potentially join him with Carmelo Anthony in New York, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

With Monroe expecting to command a maximum contract on the market, Afflalo could earn a deal in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million, league sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--knicks-to-pursue-arron-afflalo-in-free-agency-190634905.html

Also saw that David West was supposedly linked to NY. They'll have something like $30M in cap space, but that won't be enough for all 3. And since they need to develop their #4 overall pick, I'm guessing they won't sign two bigs. So Monroe+Afflalo it is!

Monroe/FA
Melo/Porzingis
Afflalo/Early
Grant/FA
Calderon/FA

Geez, they aren't going to stop ANYBODY with that lineup. They can put Afflalo on the other team's best player, but that's about it.

[Ruzious]

I doubt the Knicks trade Anthony, unless he asks for it (which is possible if they go 0-20 to start the season). For whatever it's worth, the fans love the guy in NY. He's their only star power, even if it's purely perceived star power at this point.

The kid I feel bad for is Porzingis, Frederic Weis is very much still alive in Knick lore (and more recently the awful Bargnani). He's going to be booed heavily. For as tough as he acted, no 19-20 year old is going to be able to take that for 41 home games.

I think Knicks fans are a little smarter than that, but we shall see.

The perception about Nyawk is that the fans don't have the patience to go through a rebuild, but I think they've seen whatever it is that they've been doing isn't working, so a rebuild is the best way to go. Question is - Does Phil have the patience and health to go through a rebuild.

If the rumors are true about signing Monroe to a max, and Afflalo to a 12 mil per year deal are true, then the answer is no. And truthfully, a lineup with a healthy Anthony, Monroe and Afflalo would be good enough to make the playoffs. They have like 4 point guards though, so I'm sure they could look into trading one for a center.

I don't know, Raf. Even in the East, they have a rough roster. Monroe and Anthony would not be a good defensive combo. They have quantity but not quality at the point. Grant will be the best of them, but it usually takes PGs a year to get adjusted to the NBA.

[FAH1223]

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[Induveca]

I've lived in NYC most of my teenage/adult life. No they don't have the patience.

[nate33]

For months, the Knicks and rival executives have believed that New York is the likely destination for Detroit fre- agent forward Greg Monroe, and now it appears that Afflalo is the most likey target to potentially join him with Carmelo Anthony in New York, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

With Monroe expecting to command a maximum contract on the market, Afflalo could earn a deal in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million, league sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--knicks-to-pursue-arron-afflalo-in-free-agency-190634905.html

Also saw that David West was supposedly linked to NY. They'll have something like $30M in cap space, but that won't be enough for all 3. And since they need to develop their #4 overall pick, I'm guessing they won't sign two bigs. So Monroe+Afflalo it is!

Monroe/FA
Melo/Porzingis
Afflalo/Early
Grant/FA
Calderon/FA

Geez, they aren't going to stop ANYBODY with that lineup. They can put Afflalo on the other team's best player, but that's about it.

If they're smart, they go after Wes Matthews instead of Afflalo. But, yeah, your point is valid. It's going to be tough to have a good defense when your "bigs" are Monroe, Melo and Porzingis. I can't hate them for going after Monroe though. At least he is both young and productive. And in theory, he should mesh well offensively with Porzingis as an inside/out combo. Maybe Porzingis surprises us all and turns out to be a good defender eventually.

[keynote]

Pero Antic is heading to team up with the Blake Griffin of Europe.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/6/29/8864637/pero-antic-agrees-deal-fenerbahce-europe

Alanta Hawks center Pero Antic has reportedly agreed to a deal with Fenerbahce/Ulker to return to Europe next season according to a report by Eurohoops.net. Per the report, the deal is expected to be finalized over the next few days.

Antic spent the last two seasons with the Hawks appearing in 113 games while averaging 6.3 points and 3.5 rebounds. He would have been a restricted free agent this summer if the Hawks chosen to issue him a qualifying offer. Antic will turn 33 later this summer and is likely eyeing playing out his career a little closer to home.

Antic's departure will hurt the Hawks. Everyone wants stretch 4s, but stretch 5s are even harder to replace.

[Ruzious]

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I'm surprised about BisB. He certainly rebounds and blocks shots. I guess he hasn't progressed enough in any other area. That's a shame - He's a physically gifted player.

[LyricalRico]

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Chances he actually leaves? And if so, where does he go?

[hands11]

Philly may think they are outsmarting everyone with intentional losing and duplicate picks, but eventually they will have to re-sign these guys. Who will want to stay in a losing situation? Or else they will have to continue to trade guys after a couple years like MCW so they don't lose them for nothing. And they'll never be good that way either. At some point, they will have to spend money and try to make the playoffs.

Its all about finding a franchise piece. Once they do that, the clock starts ticking. They will rotate out of pieces until they find the franchise piece. Its an all or nothing approach. But you have to stay really bad in the mean time to do it. You want #1 picks, not #5/6's.

Okafor could be that piece. But they need Emiid to recover so they have a huge trade asset. Noel, Embiid and Okafor should give them enough. Reminds me of CHI when you had two you bigs back in the day. Tyson and Eddy Curry.

They had gone 13, 17, 15, 21 over 4 years.

They got Elton Brand #1, Marcus Fizer #4, Eddy Curry #4 ( Clippers traded #2 Tyson Chandler along with Brian Skinner to Chicago for Elton Brand, and then the next year, Jay Williams #2

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-history/?syear=1999

Those weren't the best draft classes to tank for and the last year when they got #2, they missed Yao Ming at #1

[FAH1223]

Pero Antic is heading to team up with the Blake Griffin of Europe.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/6/29/8864637/pero-antic-agrees-deal-fenerbahce-europe

Alanta Hawks center Pero Antic has reportedly agreed to a deal with Fenerbahce/Ulker to return to Europe next season according to a report by Eurohoops.net. Per the report, the deal is expected to be finalized over the next few days.

Antic spent the last two seasons with the Hawks appearing in 113 games while averaging 6.3 points and 3.5 rebounds. He would have been a restricted free agent this summer if the Hawks chosen to issue him a qualifying offer. Antic will turn 33 later this summer and is likely eyeing playing out his career a little closer to home.

Antic's departure will hurt the Hawks. Everyone wants stretch 4s, but stretch 5s are even harder to replace.

Muscala has played both 4 and 5 for them.

[closg00]

Pero Antic is heading to team up with the Blake Griffin of Europe.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/6/29/8864637/pero-antic-agrees-deal-fenerbahce-europe

Alanta Hawks center Pero Antic has reportedly agreed to a deal with Fenerbahce/Ulker to return to Europe next season according to a report by Eurohoops.net. Per the report, the deal is expected to be finalized over the next few days.

Antic spent the last two seasons with the Hawks appearing in 113 games while averaging 6.3 points and 3.5 rebounds. He would have been a restricted free agent this summer if the Hawks chosen to issue him a qualifying offer. Antic will turn 33 later this summer and is likely eyeing playing out his career a little closer to home.

Antic's departure will hurt the Hawks. Everyone wants stretch 4s, but stretch 5s are even harder to replace.

Muscala has played both 4 and 5 for them.

Muscala is on the way up as we saw during the playoffs, he's not a defensive powerhouse but he's fine for bench energy. 2nd round steal.

[keynote]

You guys are higher on Muscala than I am. He was a nice surprise during the playoffs; but he was also relatively unscouted. Antic started 29 games in 2 years. I don't know if Muscala is ready for that kind of load yet -- and that's important, seeing as Al Horford isn't exactly an iron man.

[fishercob]

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Good lord.

[keynote]

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Good lord.

I've never heard of that for a coach. Aren't (virtually) all coaches fired "for cause" (i.e., poor job performance)?

FWIW, there's a thread on the GB about how the Kings are hot after Cal, who's rebuffing their advances.

Either way, the Kings *have* to fire Karl now. Now it's just a question of whether they can find a way to not pay out the remainder of the deal.

[nate33]

That would be the ultimate con by George Karl. Get hired for millions and then deliberately and unnecessarily piss off your franchise player just 30 games later so that you get fired and keep the millions of dollars.

[fishercob]

That would be the ultimate con by George Karl. Get hired for millions and then deliberately and unnecessarily piss off your franchise player just 30 games later so that you get fired and keep the millions of dollars.

Next Town Larry Brown!

[Rafael122]

I could definitely see the Wizards taking a step back next season. If Orlando gets Millsap with a core of Vuc, Payton and Oladipo, hard to see how that team doesn't make the playoffs next season.

Indiana will get George back and might sign Ellis.

There's Boston, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee who will get stronger.

[AFM]

4/20 for millsap

he got chronic ganja contract

[LyricalRico]

4/20 for millsap

he got chronic ganja contract

At first I thought you meant $20M total. LOL

I guess you meant 20 per year for 4 years, which is what I saw earlier. I'm not sure I like a Vucevic/Milsap frontcourt, but he's pretty much gotta take that. And assuming he does, would Atlanta be interested in Nene as a stop-gap? Or do they finally move Horford to PF and sign one of centers on the market?

[LyricalRico]

Congrats to Aminu on going from the vet min last year to getting 4 years, $30M from a desperate Portland team. Talk about right place, right time.

Also, looks like Dragic gave Miami a discount so they can keep Wade.