Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[cram]

Demar is as good as gone. Either in a S&T towards a bigger incoming contract, or as a salary move where we get depth+picks to improve the roster in other ways. These deals are making him a total bargain and there will be teams clamoring to add *something* after missing out in this summers FA signing season. DD can be that guy and we can extort good value for him.

So why did we just throw our fat wallet at a role player who complements Demar (instead of Harris or someone who is far more talented but just nto as complementary)?

Carroll will still complement a star wing better because he doesn't need the ball. If we can get a star for DD + picks, I'd still rather have Carroll over Harris. Harris is a guy who will put up great stats on a crappy team, like a Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Carroll was a key guy on a great team.

a star wing + Carroll > a star wing + Harris
DD + Carroll > DD + Harris

Harris + scrub > Carroll + scrub

What's your list of star wings that we might add? How many of them are shooting guards?

[Patman]

Teams don't trade players? Really?

We had 25M in cap space to trade. Plus 4 first round draft picks in the next 2 yrs Plus other assets.

We're still in the trade market. Nobody is going to trade a star making $20M+/year for strictly draft picks. They would want at the very least JV and Ross. They make almost $10M combined, so you don't need that much more cap space to make a trade if that door ever opens.

So you trade Demar + cap space + draft picks for a talent upgrade and a bad contract.

Are you saying 25M in cap space wasn't a huge asset?

It's overkill. When has a team ever needed that much cap space to acquire a star in a trade? Unless it's a straight up sign-and-trade (which, again, means the player would have to choose us), then never.

Also, you think the Carroll deal is a bad contract, but you're willing to absorb one in a trade? Lol.

[Patman]

So why did we just throw our fat wallet at a role player who complements Demar (instead of Harris or someone who is far more talented but just nto as complementary)?

Carroll will still complement a star wing better because he doesn't need the ball. If we can get a star for DD + picks, I'd still rather have Carroll over Harris. Harris is a guy who will put up great stats on a crappy team, like a Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Carroll was a key guy on a great team.

a star wing + Carroll > a star wing + Harris
DD + Carroll > DD + Harris

Harris + scrub > Carroll + scrub

What's your list of star wings that we might add? How many of them are shooting guards?

The DD + picks for a star was YOUR idea. You tell me. I'm appeasing your idea, but still letting you know that signing Carroll was a net positive for our team.

[Patman]

Wondering whether there are any realistic scenarios where we utilize Lou/Amir in a S&T for a starting PF??

Almost none. S&T's are usually for star players who want the max the original team offer (a higher number than what a new team can offer). The star gets more money, while the team he's leaving can at least scrape something out of it.

[realball]

Can we go over the cap to re-sign Lou and Amir? Did we have to renounce their rights to sign Carroll? Someone please help me out here.

I really hope we can re-sign them send Ross + Ridnour + LAC's 1st to the Bulls for Taj Gibson, or S&T for David West.

Lowry/Wright
Demar/Lou
Carroll/JJ
West or Gibson/PP
JV/Amir

That's pretty solid.

[cram]

Carroll will still complement a star wing better because he doesn't need the ball. If we can get a star for DD + picks, I'd still rather have Carroll over Harris. Harris is a guy who will put up great stats on a crappy team, like a Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Carroll was a key guy on a great team.

a star wing + Carroll > a star wing + Harris
DD + Carroll > DD + Harris

Harris + scrub > Carroll + scrub

What's your list of star wings that we might add? How many of them are shooting guards?

The DD + picks for a star was YOUR idea. You tell me. I'm appeasing your idea, but still letting you know that signing Carroll was a net positive for our team.

Even signing Harris would've been much better.

[SaveTheHens]

So you trade for one.

You don't give your max cap space to a role player. We had SUCH an opportunity to add someone.

Who, exactly? This isn't NBA2K. Players are not going to sign or be traded here just because the numbers work. The other team/player need to co-operate too.

Teams don't trade players? Really?

We had 25M in cap space to trade. Plus 4 first round draft picks in the next 2 yrs Plus other assets.

They won't trade you star players for cap space and picks. Sometimes there are exceptions but that is not the rule. I don't know about all the opportunities we had to improve our roster, but taking a key player off the best team in the East that will fill a major hole for us is probably not the worst thing that could have happened.

[cram]

Who, exactly? This isn't NBA2K. Players are not going to sign or be traded here just because the numbers work. The other team/player need to co-operate too.

Teams don't trade players? Really?

We had 25M in cap space to trade. Plus 4 first round draft picks in the next 2 yrs Plus other assets.

They won't trade you star players for cap space and picks. Sometimes there are exceptions but that is not the rule. I don't know about all the opportunities we had to improve our roster, but taking a key player off the best team in the East that will fill a major hole for us is probably not the worst thing that could have happened.

It's a wasted opportunity.

[Wo1verine]

Carroll will still complement a star wing better because he doesn't need the ball. If we can get a star for DD + picks, I'd still rather have Carroll over Harris. Harris is a guy who will put up great stats on a crappy team, like a Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Carroll was a key guy on a great team.

a star wing + Carroll > a star wing + Harris
DD + Carroll > DD + Harris

Harris + scrub > Carroll + scrub

What's your list of star wings that we might add? How many of them are shooting guards?

The DD + picks for a star was YOUR idea. You tell me. I'm appeasing your idea, but still letting you know that signing Carroll was a net positive for our team.

Signing role player to a crap core isn't positive.
It's just a waste of time and just prolongs things.

[SaveTheHens]

Teams don't trade players? Really?

We had 25M in cap space to trade. Plus 4 first round draft picks in the next 2 yrs Plus other assets.

They won't trade you star players for cap space and picks. Sometimes there are exceptions but that is not the rule. I don't know about all the opportunities we had to improve our roster, but taking a key player off the best team in the East that will fill a major hole for us is probably not the worst thing that could have happened.

It's a wasted opportunity.

From your angle. I'm sure your imagination had a lot of better scenarios for us, but the reality is that FA's are being signed at ridiculous contracts so far. We overpaid for Carroll but we added a great piece to our organization that fills a major need both positionally and from his experience. I'm a lot happier to have added a quality piece than to have imagined a bunch of scenarios and had none of them come to fruition.

[Rapsobsessed7]

ok so fixed some things in the OP. Has all our new assets such as the LAC 1st, Vasquez TE.

Assuming Wright signs for 120%...

We have 10,192,566

This is assuming the Carroll contract is flat. Could be back loaded, could have raises.

Ill outline how to get either Matthews or Aldridge..

Aldridge:
to get Aldridge his max (20.3) we need to...

Trade Patterson (6.2) + JJ (2.5) + Bebe (1.8) in a S&T in order to have enough. This can be done by tossing Portland a future 1st(s)

Matthews:
he wants around 15 million. Dallas is at 12. Trading Terrence Ross in a S&T for Matthews will allow him to have a year 1 starting salary of 13.7.

[RedX]

ok so fixed some things in the OP. Has all our new assets such as the LAC 1st, Vasquez TE.

Assuming Wright signs for 120%...

We have 10,192,566

This is assuming the Carroll contract is flat. Could be back loaded, could have raises.

Ill outline how to get either Matthews or Aldridge..

Aldridge:
to get Aldridge his max (20.3) we need to...

Trade Patterson (6.2) + JJ (2.5) + Bebe (1.8) in a S&T in order to have enough. This can be done by tossing Portland a future 1st(s)

Matthews:
he wants around 15 million. Dallas is at 12. Trading Terrence Ross in a S&T for Matthews will allow him to have a year 1 starting salary of 13.7.

Any way to get both? We can't outright go into the tax, can we? Would have to give up Demar in the S&T looks like.

[isyed]

ok so fixed some things in the OP. Has all our new assets such as the LAC 1st, Vasquez TE.

Assuming Wright signs for 120%...

We have 10,192,566

This is assuming the Carroll contract is flat. Could be back loaded, could have raises.

Ill outline how to get either Matthews or Aldridge..

Aldridge:
to get Aldridge his max (20.3) we need to...

Trade Patterson (6.2) + JJ (2.5) + Bebe (1.8) in a S&T in order to have enough. This can be done by tossing Portland a future 1st(s)

Matthews:
he wants around 15 million. Dallas is at 12. Trading Terrence Ross in a S&T for Matthews will allow him to have a year 1 starting salary of 13.7.

Any way to get both? We can't outright go into the tax, can we? Would have to give up Demar in the S&T looks like.

We can still get both and keep Demar along with Carroll. Starting salaries would have to be low for both Carroll and Wes and would have max raise with back loaded contract. Our bench would be all rookies and older vets plus Wes. We can address that next offseason.

Math would look like this.

Max current capspace = $24 mill
Starting salary for Carroll = $13Mill with max raise
Starting Salary for Wes = $11Mill with max raise

Max starting salary for Aldridge would be 18 mill with 5 year contract in sign and trade with Portland

We need to be within 15% of this number in matching salaries.

If Portland wants to get Ross + Picks as the minimum compensation we need to send non guaranteed contracts to make it work.

Move JJ + Patterson in 3 way deal with Cleveland to get Haywoods non garunteed 10.5 Mill contract

Haywood(NG 10.5MIll) + Ridnour (NG 3.5mill) + Ross(Local kid with updside) + 2 future first rounders (2016 Raptor + 2017 Clipper)

Total outgoing salary is about 17 mill in sign and trade getting Aldridge back.

Aldridge gets max raise and guaranteed 5th year. Blazers get Ross and some picks in return for an already leaving Aldridge.

Val/Bebe
Aldridge/
Carrol/Matthews/Bruno
Demar/Powell
Lowry/Wright

[RedX]

ok so fixed some things in the OP. Has all our new assets such as the LAC 1st, Vasquez TE.

Assuming Wright signs for 120%...

We have 10,192,566

This is assuming the Carroll contract is flat. Could be back loaded, could have raises.

Ill outline how to get either Matthews or Aldridge..

Any way to get both? We can't outright go into the tax, can we? Would have to give up Demar in the S&T looks like.

We can still get both and keep Demar along with Carroll. Starting salaries would have to be low for both Carroll and Wes and would have max raise with back loaded contract. Our bench would be all rookies and older vets plus Wes. We can address that next offseason.

Math would look like this.

Max current capspace = $24 mill
Starting salary for Carroll = $13Mill with max raise
Starting Salary for Wes = $11Mill with max raise

Max starting salary for Aldridge would be 18 mill with 5 year contract in sign and trade with Portland

We need to be within 15% of this number in matching salaries.

If Portland wants to get Ross + Picks as the minimum compensation we need to send non guaranteed contracts to make it work.

Move JJ + Patterson in 3 way deal with Cleveland to get Haywoods non garunteed 10.5 Mill contract

Haywood(NG 10.5MIll) + Ridnour (NG 3.5mill) + Ross(Local kid with updside) + 2 future first rounders (2016 Raptor + 2017 Clipper)

Total outgoing salary is about 17 mill in sign and trade getting Aldridge back.

Aldridge gets max raise and guaranteed 5th year. Blazers get Ross and some picks in return for an already leaving Aldridge.

Val/Bebe
Aldridge/
Carrol/Matthews/Bruno
Demar/Powell
Lowry/Wright

thank for this!

That's such a skin and bones team... we really wouldn't be able to do much with that bench, it would definitely need to be a 'next year' kind of decision.

[Rapsobsessed7]

S&T no longer allow for the 5th year in the new CBA.

I know, it got me as well.

[Rapsfan07]

Don't see the point in signing Matthews. DeRozan is still here, Aldridge isn't coming, we just overpaid Carroll and Matthews is already 29.

Honestly I don't like what Masai is doing. While that was a lot of money for Carroll, it's the overall direction he's taking that I don't like. We need to be preparing for a post LeBron era, not trying to seriously compete in it. This is how we routinely get leap frogged by worse teams - they have a long term vision while we're okay with winning one round... In the East. It won't be long until we're surpassed by teams like the Pistons who have risen, fallen and will rise again before we even learn to stand.

I would have rathered he traded for Faried + Gallo. Two birds, one stone and Gallo and DeMar expire next year. If DeRozan doesn't come back, you could just let Gallo walk and deal Lowry and Faried who are on excellent contracts and rebuild from there.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about a team that glorifies mediocrity


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[Skeezo]

We can still get both and keep Demar along with Carroll. Starting salaries would have to be low for both Carroll and Wes and would have max raise with back loaded contract. Our bench would be all rookies and older vets plus Wes. We can address that next offseason.

Math would look like this.

Max current capspace = $24 mill
Starting salary for Carroll = $13Mill with max raise
Starting Salary for Wes = $11Mill with max raise

Max starting salary for Aldridge would be 18 mill with 5 year contract in sign and trade with Portland

We need to be within 15% of this number in matching salaries.

If Portland wants to get Ross + Picks as the minimum compensation we need to send non guaranteed contracts to make it work.

Move JJ + Patterson in 3 way deal with Cleveland to get Haywoods non garunteed 10.5 Mill contract

Haywood(NG 10.5MIll) + Ridnour (NG 3.5mill) + Ross(Local kid with updside) + 2 future first rounders (2016 Raptor + 2017 Clipper)

Total outgoing salary is about 17 mill in sign and trade getting Aldridge back.

Aldridge gets max raise and guaranteed 5th year. Blazers get Ross and some picks in return for an already leaving Aldridge.

Val/Bebe
Aldridge/
Carrol/Matthews/Bruno
Demar/Powell
Lowry/Wright

Actually I have an easier route than trying to get Cleveland to spend even more money which I doubt they are inclined to do...

Deal #1
S&T Amir Johnson to Boston for 2nd Rd pick & Rondo (12m Trade Exception)

Boston Why? This enables them to stay above the cap while retaining their MLE & BAE... If they don't they only have RE... Pretty easy Yes for both parties

Deal #2
S&T Aldridge for J.Johnson, P.Patterson, 2016 1st Rd pick (Tor) and 10m remaining cap space should make up the difference for 19m (1st yr Salary)

Deal #3
S&T Wesley Mathews for 2nd Rd Boston Pick & A.Johnson (12m Trade Exception) to Portland... (1st yr salary of 12m)

Why Portland: Portland gains Patterson, Johnson good value rotational players + 1st & 2nd pick for players & a 10m (Trade Exception) for players they will lose anyways... No brainer

C... JV/Bebe
PF.. Aldridge/Carroll
SF.. Mathews/Bruno
SG.. DeRozan/Ross
PG.. Lowry/Wright

Have to pick up a few Vet Mins, but it won't be hard if that's the line-up you're carrying

[Skeezo]

You always do a fantastic job Rapsobsessed... I just try to give it a different look so we can see year by year projections...

[Orsk]

Don't see the point in signing Matthews. DeRozan is still here, Aldridge isn't coming, we just overpaid Carroll and Matthews is already 29.

Honestly I don't like what Masai is doing. While that was a lot of money for Carroll, it's the overall direction he's taking that I don't like. We need to be preparing for a post LeBron era, not trying to seriously compete in it. This is how we routinely get leap frogged by worse teams - they have a long term vision while we're okay with winning one round... In the East. It won't be long until we're surpassed by teams like the Pistons who have risen, fallen and will rise again before we even learn to stand.

I would have rathered he traded for Faried + Gallo. Two birds, one stone and Gallo and DeMar expire next year. If DeRozan doesn't come back, you could just let Gallo walk and deal Lowry and Faried who are on excellent contracts and rebuild from there.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about a team that glorifies mediocrity


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you mean like trading guys for extra future picks or signing guys who are entering their prime from top teams / high BBIQ and have potential to be contributing vets down the line?

[Rapsobsessed7]

You always do a fantastic job Rapsobsessed... I just try to give it a different look so we can see year by year projections...

Thank you man as always. Appreciate your contributions to this every year as well. I'll add this to the op