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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#61 » by NaturalBuns » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:42 am

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NaturalBuns wrote:This is going to be the worst FA signing between any team this offseason if LMA doesn't jump aboard.
Wright getting 3/18.

Chandler has 2 years max.


Like Lowe said, next year EVERYONE will have tons of cap space. It's more unlikely we win free agency then and to get all star level players, you need some vets.

Everyone is getting overpaid when you think of the current cap. If Chandler is taking up 15% of the cap for us, it's not that bad.


3/18 saves you cap going forward and possibly production.
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#62 » by SkinnyOMiller » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:55 am

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Tricky_Kid wrote:Do U really see the chance to get LMA? over Spurs? They have best coach, great players possibility to win a chips and earn good money. What Phoenix can offer which Spurs can't?


A lot of great players bypass the Spurs. I can't think of a big name free agent to sign there in recent memory. Sure, they've got some good players, but at least 2 will be retiring very soon (not sure how much longer Parker can go, either). They've got some good young players, but so do the Suns.

The Suns have a lot to offer. The one thing Phoenix can offer which San Antonio cannot is the chance for Aldridge to be 'the man'. In San Antonio, he'd be another player. Also, overall, Phoenix is much younger and plays an up-tempo style. I think Aldridge's game plays more to that than San Antonio's slow, methodical pace.

And finally, if he wins a title in San Antonio, they'll just hang it with the others and everyone will go on their way. If he miraculously wins a title in Phoenix, he will immediately become the most popular Arizona sports player ever and they'll rename the arena, the team and the city after him. :lol:



Would totally be down to rename Glendale to Aldridge, Arizona!
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#63 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:00 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Suns just made their boldest free agent signing in many years and some fans are still complaining. I am ecstatic the Suns did this. Newsflash. The cap is about to rise to 90 million dollars next year. Then it will be even higher the following year at 105 million. Even if the cap was not going up I would still be happy about this signing. Plus why are people so concerned with his age? He is not turning 33 until October. He is still incredibly productive. And the Suns have the best medical staff in sports. Chandler averaged 10 pts, 11.5 rbs, and over 1 blk last season. When was the last time the Suns had a player that averaged that many rebounds for an entire season? His defense is still All-NBA caliber. I am really excited about this move.



What's wrong with complaining? You do it constantly... We can type whatever we feel.

Forgive some of us for not going full-homer right now. Tyson Chandler will be 33 and just came off a contract year and will be a backup within 1-2 years. If any other team made this move we'd be calling it an overpay. Unless this somehow translates into signing LaMarcus Aldridge it just screams McD overcompensating for lack of leadership this past season.
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#64 » by saintEscaton » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:06 am

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letsgosuns wrote:The Suns just made their boldest free agent signing in many years and some fans are still complaining. I am ecstatic the Suns did this. Newsflash. The cap is about to rise to 90 million dollars next year. Then it will be even higher the following year at 105 million. Even if the cap was not going up I would still be happy about this signing. Plus why are people so concerned with his age? He is not turning 33 until October. He is still incredibly productive. And the Suns have the best medical staff in sports. Chandler averaged 10 pts, 11.5 rbs, and over 1 blk last season. When was the last time the Suns had a player that averaged that many rebounds for an entire season? His defense is still All-NBA caliber. I am really excited about this move.



What's wrong with complaining? You do it constantly... We can type whatever we feel.

Forgive some of us for not going full-homer right now. Tyson Chandler will be 33 and just came off a contract year and will be a backup within 1-2 years. If any other team made this move we'd be calling it an overpay. Unless this somehow translates into signing LaMarcus Aldridge it just screams McD overcompensating for lack of leadership this past season.


This. Its an expensive hail mary/putting all your eggs in a basket where the risk likely outweights the improbable benefit. That being said I hope I'm somehow made to my words but unless we land LMA I think even Chandler performing to his highest doesn't make up for the restrictively hamstringing our future financial flexibility ( even with the cap rise) and the playing time he might cut from Len if we're forced to give him underserving minutes as a starter just because of his salary
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#65 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:14 am

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letsgosuns wrote:The Suns just made their boldest free agent signing in many years and some fans are still complaining. I am ecstatic the Suns did this. Newsflash. The cap is about to rise to 90 million dollars next year. Then it will be even higher the following year at 105 million. Even if the cap was not going up I would still be happy about this signing. Plus why are people so concerned with his age? He is not turning 33 until October. He is still incredibly productive. And the Suns have the best medical staff in sports. Chandler averaged 10 pts, 11.5 rbs, and over 1 blk last season. When was the last time the Suns had a player that averaged that many rebounds for an entire season? His defense is still All-NBA caliber. I am really excited about this move.



What's wrong with complaining? You do it constantly... We can type whatever we feel.

Forgive some of us for not going full-homer right now. Tyson Chandler will be 33 and just came off a contract year and will be a backup within 1-2 years. If any other team made this move we'd be calling it an overpay. Unless this somehow translates into signing LaMarcus Aldridge it just screams McD overcompensating for lack of leadership this past season.


This. Its an expensive hail mary/putting all your eggs in a basket where the risk likely outweights the improbable benefit. That being said I hope I'm somehow made to my words but unless we land LMA I think even Chandler performing to his highest doesn't make up for the restriction on our future financial flexibility ( even with the cap rise) and the playing time he might cut from Len if we're forced to give him underserving minutes as a starter just because of his salary


But do you think if we had $30 million in cap space next year our chances would be better in getting a premier free agent?
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#66 » by saintEscaton » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:22 am

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saintEscaton wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:

What's wrong with complaining? You do it constantly... We can type whatever we feel.

Forgive some of us for not going full-homer right now. Tyson Chandler will be 33 and just came off a contract year and will be a backup within 1-2 years. If any other team made this move we'd be calling it an overpay. Unless this somehow translates into signing LaMarcus Aldridge it just screams McD overcompensating for lack of leadership this past season.


This. Its an expensive hail mary/putting all your eggs in a basket where the risk likely outweights the improbable benefit. That being said I hope I'm somehow made to my words but unless we land LMA I think even Chandler performing to his highest doesn't make up for the restriction on our future financial flexibility ( even with the cap rise) and the playing time he might cut from Len if we're forced to give him underserving minutes as a starter just because of his salary


But do you think if we had $30 million in cap space next year our chances would be better in getting a premier free agent?


Can't tell cauz I don't have a crystal ball. But I can see why McD is going all in this year if he has reasonable conviction that he could entice LMA into considering us a serious suitor. Horford is probably the only elite PF in the 2016 FA class who I personally love but I doubt he leaves the stability the Hawks provided him (just as Millsap resigned) they want to retain their bigs.
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#67 » by DRK » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:22 am

Wow...


I woke up to this new on the wiretap.
Im not sure how I feel about this.. 13mil a year for center like Tyson who is 32 is a BOATLOAD of money. But on the other hand I really like his veteran presence on the team. As a former champion and DPOY, he will garner the respect of all the young players, and help keep the team in line.

If he can help recruit LMA, I'm all for it.
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Re: Sun agree to terms with Tyson Chandler 

Post#68 » by Marz11 » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:27 am

An interesting question going on in my mind. Who is better value?

Chandler at this contract or Frye last free agency?
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Post#69 » by letsgosuns » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:30 am

I am not saying people do not have the right to complain or dislike the signing. I am just surprised because I saw A LOT of posters on here complaining this morning that the Suns were sitting on their hands doing absolutely nothing while all their supposed free agent targets were being signed. Then out of nowhere they sign Tyson Chandler who is still a premier center in the league. In addition, they then brought Chandler into the meeting with LeMarcus Aldridge. With or without Aldridge, the Suns defense and rebounding should be vastly improved. Yet people are like, what happens in two years when Chandler might not be as good. I am thinking, what about THIS COMING YEAR where the Suns would absolutely suck in the frontcourt again if they brought back the same group of players. Stop thinking so far into the future. Did anybody think Grant Hill had anything left when he signed with the Suns? Why are people so obsessed with age? The Spurs won a title when the core of the team was in their mid-thirties. Bottom line is the Suns filled some glaring needs with the Chandler signing. Who else did you want them to sign instead? Millsap for 20 million a year?
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Post#70 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:31 am

letsgosuns wrote:I am not saying people do not have the right to complain or dislike the signing. I am just surprised because I saw A LOT of posters on here complaining this morning that the Suns were sitting on their hands doing absolutely nothing while all their supposed free agent targets were being signed. Then out of nowhere they sign Tyson Chandler who is still a premier center in the league. In addition, they then brought Chandler into the meeting with LeMarcus Aldridge. With or without Aldridge, the Suns defense and rebounding should be vastly improved. Yet people are like, what happens in two years when Chandler might not be as good. I am thinking, what about THIS COMING YEAR where the Suns would absolutely suck in the frontcourt again if they brought back the same group of players. Stop thinking so far into the future. Did anybody think Grant Hill had anything left when he signed with the Suns? Why are people so obsessed with age? The Spurs won a title when the core of the team was in their mid-thirties. Bottom line is the Suns filled some glaring needs with the Chandler signing. Who else did you want them to sign instead? Millsap for 20 million a year?


It was obviously a smart move. On it's own, it's not a great signing if we are rebuilding and want to play the young guys, but since the FO if trying to compete, it works.....he may not be a good contract later, but cap space will be there if we have a pitch...and it seems like we are good at that.
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Post#71 » by SimonFish » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:05 am

Bulls fan here - I like Chandler. But this signing smells like Ben Wallace to Bulls 2.0.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Chandler's numbers will be down in Phoenix. But I expect you guys to be playoffs bound this year as Chandler will improve your defense A LOT.

Who knows what happens afterwards though? His performance may go downhill during his second season here and at this point his contract will become toxic.

Anyway, good luck.
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Post#72 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:07 am

SimonFish wrote:Bulls fan here - I like Chandler. But this signing smells like Ben Wallace to Bulls 2.0.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Chandler's numbers will be down in Phoenix. But I expect you guys to be playoffs bound this year as Chandler will improve your defense A LOT.

Who knows what happens afterwards though? His performance may go downhill during his second season here and at this point his contract will become toxic.

Anyway, good luck.


Maybe, but Cuban thought Nash's back wouldn't hold up, then he played 8 years with us because apparently our training staff is stellar...then he leaves here for two first rounders and breaks down. Grant Hill did nothing for years, and then became a major piece of a WCF team that almost knocked off the Lakers in 2010. Shaq looked just about done when he signed with us and he became rejuvenated....so who knows?
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Post#73 » by SkinnyOMiller » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:22 am

DRK wrote:Wow...


I woke up to this new on the wiretap.
Im not sure how I feel about this.. 13mil a year for center like Tyson who is 32 is a BOATLOAD of money. But on the other hand I really like his veteran presence on the team. As a former champion and DPOY, he will garner the respect of all the young players, and help keep the team in line.

If he can help recruit LMA, I'm all for it.



Haven't been following the rest of the day's events huh............. :D
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Post#74 » by SkinnyOMiller » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:23 am

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SimonFish wrote:Bulls fan here - I like Chandler. But this signing smells like Ben Wallace to Bulls 2.0.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Chandler's numbers will be down in Phoenix. But I expect you guys to be playoffs bound this year as Chandler will improve your defense A LOT.

Who knows what happens afterwards though? His performance may go downhill during his second season here and at this point his contract will become toxic.

Anyway, good luck.


Maybe, but Cuban thought Nash's back wouldn't hold up, then he played 8 years with us because apparently our training staff is stellar...then he leaves here for two first rounders and breaks down. Grant Hill did nothing for years, and then became a major piece of a WCF team that almost knocked off the Lakers in 2010. Shaq looked just about done when he signed with us and he became rejuvenated....so who knows?





This, for almost any other team I'd think this is an okay deal, a bit risky, considering the track record of the Suns training staff, I feel pretty good about them getting the most possible out of Tyson Chandler.
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Post#75 » by DRK » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:25 am

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DRK wrote:Wow...


I woke up to this new on the wiretap.
Im not sure how I feel about this.. 13mil a year for center like Tyson who is 32 is a BOATLOAD of money. But on the other hand I really like his veteran presence on the team. As a former champion and DPOY, he will garner the respect of all the young players, and help keep the team in line.

If he can help recruit LMA, I'm all for it.



Haven't been following the rest of the day's events huh............. :D


Waking up from a long-ass sleep and turning on your phone half-asleep to find out the Suns signed a 32 year old center for 52million is not exactly what youd call an ideal way to start your day. Immediate shock reaction.
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Post#76 » by SkinnyOMiller » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:31 am

Maystack wrote:I'm curious as to why Chandler being in the meeting with LMA is useful though? They haven't played on the same team before have they? Are they friends or is it like "We have this guy now, imagine playing beside him!"




Respected veteran still playing at a high level, his presence means that Aldridge would get to play the #4 in Phoenix as he reportedly prefers.
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Post#77 » by SkinnyOMiller » Thu Jul 2, 2015 4:32 am

DRK wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
DRK wrote:Wow...


I woke up to this new on the wiretap.
Im not sure how I feel about this.. 13mil a year for center like Tyson who is 32 is a BOATLOAD of money. But on the other hand I really like his veteran presence on the team. As a former champion and DPOY, he will garner the respect of all the young players, and help keep the team in line.

If he can help recruit LMA, I'm all for it.



Haven't been following the rest of the day's events huh............. :D


Waking up from a long-ass sleep and turning on your phone half-asleep to find out the Suns signed a 32 year old center for 52million is not exactly what youd call an ideal way to start your day. Immediate shock reaction.




$52 million ain't what it once was, especially after today. The Cavs just gave Shumpert, a backup PG, a 4 year, $40 million deal so I guess perspective is everything.
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Post#78 » by RaisingArizona » Thu Jul 2, 2015 5:23 am

DRK wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
DRK wrote:Wow...


I woke up to this new on the wiretap.
Im not sure how I feel about this.. 13mil a year for center like Tyson who is 32 is a BOATLOAD of money. But on the other hand I really like his veteran presence on the team. As a former champion and DPOY, he will garner the respect of all the young players, and help keep the team in line.

If he can help recruit LMA, I'm all for it.



Haven't been following the rest of the day's events huh............. :D


Waking up from a long-ass sleep and turning on your phone half-asleep to find out the Suns signed a 32 year old center for 52million is not exactly what youd call an ideal way to start your day. Immediate shock reaction.


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Post#79 » by thamadkant » Thu Jul 2, 2015 5:35 am

At worst case, If Aldridge says No... and Suns look terrible or mediocre 20 games in.

Bledsoe + Chandler + picks for Cousins!?, assuming Kings dont end up with Rondo.

Established player + young good player! as per George Karl's request!
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Post#80 » by Stix » Thu Jul 2, 2015 5:39 am

1UPZ wrote:At worst case, If Aldridge says No... and Suns look terrible or mediocre 20 games in.

Bledsoe + Chandler + picks for Cousins!?, assuming Kings dont end up with Rondo.

Established player + young good player! as per George Karl's request!


Why would Boogie force his way to a Bledsoe-less Suns team?

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