Rank these young cores Minni Lakers Magic & 76ers

Mattya · Post #61 » by **Mattya** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:41 pm

12footrim wrote:
Mattya wrote:
12footrim wrote:Gorgie Deng
Shabazz Muhamad
Adrien Payne
Tyus Jones

You didn't even include these guys in the Timberwolves thinking

Could even throw in Anthony Bennett. I think he actually made some improvements last year. I think people generally over rate Wiggins and Lavine and they still have easily the best young group.

I wouldn't include Rubio either pretty sure they have already paid him or will soon. He's like 25.

Rubio is younger than Dieng.

I don't think he's on his rookie contract still though.

He isn't, but neither are Gordon Hayward and Nikola Vucevic.

fresko024 · Post #62 » by **fresko024** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:58 pm

1. Minnesota
The other 3 are a crapshoot

dham1974 · Post #63 » by **dham1974** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:19 pm

stitches wrote:You are delusional. The game of basketball is played on both ends of the floor. David Lee has never played the defense Favors is playing. Randle will never play the defense Favors is playing. The fact that nobody is watching Utah(can't blame them - we had 0(ZERO) nationally televised games last season, while powerhouses like the Lakers and the Knicks had 20+ games each explains to a certain degree why people don't know how good of a season Favors had... that will change soon. Don't worry... when the team as a whole starts winning more games it will become harder and harder to ignore players like Favors, Hayward and Gobert.

About the rest of it - yes, it is my subjective opinion. The only dominant player I can see from Lakers' core is Russell. I don't think Randle is a franchise player, but he can be very good offensively. With the 76ers - I can see Noel being dominant defender, Embiid being dominant on both ends, and Okafor WILL be a monster offensively(I can see him being a 25-27ppg scorer in the league in several years). I don't even count Wroten in that core, as you saw... simply because I don't see him as a long term piece for them - I think he will probably be traded the first chance they get to snatch a good first rounder for him. In other words - 76ers have 3 players that can be dominant players in one way or another, Lakers have one, in my opinion. The rest can be good players, but I don't see the "IT" factor with them.

So you're going to remove the pg from the discussion and add an injured center lol great an all center lineup with Okafor distributing and scoring all the points lol favors is overrated by you

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stitches · Post #64 » by **stitches** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:31 pm

No, I don't remove them from the discussion, I just don't think they are worth discussing. If they are major talents they will be there. The ones I omitted are not. If you want I can include Cotton and Burke for the Jazz. Russell is a major talent, and I didn't ignore him. 76ers have 3 major talents at the bigs positions. We are talking about the future, not the current roster composition. I'm taking the bet that out of 3 they'd get 2 major impact players and the other one will probably be tradeable for another major asset. I don't see anybody but Russell on the Lakers the same way.

About Favors, you keep doubling down... go on, lets see how far you'd go. You were called out on it by pretty much everybody in this current thread and were given ample amount of evidence that you are talking out of your ass. I'm just going to tell you one thing - if Randle turns anywhere close to what Favors is now you have to do backflips with joy.

Catchall · Post #65 » by **Catchall** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:03 pm

The key to the Jazz is the continued development of Gobert and Exum. If one or both of those guys really pan out, I think the Jazz can rival the Wolves' core. As it stands, the Jazz could make the POs this year in the west.

Gobert / Favors
Favors / Lyles
Hayward /Hood
Hood / Burks
Exum / Hanlan/Burke/Neto, etc.

stitches · Post #66 » by **stitches** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:26 pm

Catchall wrote:The key to the Jazz is the continued development of Gobert and Exum. If one or both of those guys really pan out, I think the Jazz can rival the Wolves' core. As it stands, the Jazz could make the POs this year in the west.

Gobert / Favors
Favors / Lyles
Hayward /Hood
Hood / Burks
Exum / Hanlan/Burke/Neto, etc.

The amazing thing is... all of those are 24(Hayward) or younger(everybody else).

76ciology · Post #67 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 12:49 pm

1.) Jazz
They are much developed because they have pretty much been rebuilding for the past 5 years. Favors as 2 way post player, Gobert anchor at D, Hayward all-around guy who can create on offense and two solid role players in Exum and Hood.
2.) Sixers
If Embiid is healthy could have the best core, but conservatively I'd put his situation as questionable (I'm betting he'd be fine). Sixers got 3 guys who can dominate (just like stiches said). Noel at the defensive end, Biid at both ends and Jahlil at the post. Then you have cap space, 4 1st rounders next year & Saric.
3.) Wolves
For me, Wolves are third behind Sixers. The Sixers core is redundant because all of them play center. But in terms of overall upside/value, I think Jahlil/Noel/Biid is a better than Rubio/Towns/Wiggins. Because like I said, all three guys of the Sixers can be dominant. Embiid, dominant at both ends. Noel, dominant at the offensive end. Jahlil, dominant at the offensive end. Most people has Embiid over Towns. Jahlil has shown to be a much dominant prospect than Wiggins, although Wiggins is a very good two way player. Then I think Noel also trumps over Rubio.
4.) Magic
Good collective talent but most are either very good borderline star to weak star guys. FWIW, I think they are building something special with defensively versatile guys who got good motor.
5.) Lakers
Clarkson, Galloway and ROY version of MCW are fools gold IMO. It's Russell and Randle who can be special. Like most guys, I'm also not high on Randle. Russell for me is high risk and high reward, depending if he can translate well in the NBA at the PG position.

Zeitgeister · Post #68 » by **Zeitgeister** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 8:59 pm

76ciology wrote:1.) Jazz
They are much developed because they have pretty much been rebuilding for the past 5 years. Favors as 2 way post player, Gobert anchor at D, Hayward all-around guy who can create on offense and two solid role players in Exum and Hood.
2.) Sixers
If Embiid is healthy could have the best core, but conservatively I'd put his situation as questionable (I'm betting he'd be fine). Sixers got 3 guys who can dominate (just like stiches said). Noel at the defensive end, Biid at both ends and Jahlil at the post. Then you have cap space, 4 1st rounders next year & Saric.
3.) Magic
Good collective talent but most are either very good borderline star to weak star guys. FWIW, I think they are building something special with defensively versatile guys who got good motor.
4.) Lakers
Clarkson, Galloway and ROY version of MCW are fools gold IMO. It's Russell and Randle who can be special. Like most guys, I'm also not high on Randle. Russell for me is high risk and high reward, depending if he can translate well in the NBA at the PG position.

Where is Minnesota bro?

stitches · Post #69 » by **stitches** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 9:38 pm

BTW interesting that OP didn't include Milwaukee. I think they have a pretty promising young core too...

dham1974 · Post #70 » by **dham1974** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 12:06 am

stitches wrote:BTW interesting that OP didn't include Milwaukee. I think they have a pretty promising young core too...

Honestly I don't know much about the Bucks. I only know the pg and that's because of philly. I do like Parker though.

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NikolaPekovic · Post #71 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:13 am

Zeitgeister wrote:
76ciology wrote:1.) Jazz
They are much developed because they have pretty much been rebuilding for the past 5 years. Favors as 2 way post player, Gobert anchor at D, Hayward all-around guy who can create on offense and two solid role players in Exum and Hood.
2.) Sixers
If Embiid is healthy could have the best core, but conservatively I'd put his situation as questionable (I'm betting he'd be fine). Sixers got 3 guys who can dominate (just like stiches said). Noel at the defensive end, Biid at both ends and Jahlil at the post. Then you have cap space, 4 1st rounders next year & Saric.
3.) Magic
Good collective talent but most are either very good borderline star to weak star guys. FWIW, I think they are building something special with defensively versatile guys who got good motor.
4.) Lakers
Clarkson, Galloway and ROY version of MCW are fools gold IMO. It's Russell and Randle who can be special. Like most guys, I'm also not high on Randle. Russell for me is high risk and high reward, depending if he can translate well in the NBA at the PG position.

Where is Minnesota bro?

Maybe he had a change of heart and thinks the Wolves are too good to list.

Winglish · Post #72 » by **Winglish** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:19 am

@ the OP-

I think you did the Utah core a disservice by not including Derrick Favors. He's only 3 weeks older than Gobert and he's younger than Gordon Hayward. The Jazz core is Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Rodney Hood, and maybe Exum and Alec Burks.

I'll leave the Jazz out of my ranking.

I like Minnesota simply because I think their pieces are complementary and have high ceilings. They did a great service to themselves in getting Wiggins last year. Then they made a good choice this year with Towns.

Next I like Orlando and it's as much for the organization as it is the talent in place. They seem stable and seem to have a direction. Bad organizations usually find a way to screw things up. Orlando's core is complementary, but I think their ceiling as individuals is lower overall than Minny's players. But maybe they play with synergy and wind up better. You never know!

Philly I guess is next. I think Okafor and Noel will be tough on opponents. Too bad about Embiid because I thought he was going to be great. Now he seems destined for foot problems that so often prevent big men from productive careers.

LA...We'll see. I'm not sold.

76ciology · Post #73 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 5:29 am

NikolaPekovic wrote:
Zeitgeister wrote:
76ciology wrote:1.) Jazz
They are much developed because they have pretty much been rebuilding for the past 5 years. Favors as 2 way post player, Gobert anchor at D, Hayward all-around guy who can create on offense and two solid role players in Exum and Hood.
2.) Sixers
If Embiid is healthy could have the best core, but conservatively I'd put his situation as questionable (I'm betting he'd be fine). Sixers got 3 guys who can dominate (just like stiches said). Noel at the defensive end, Biid at both ends and Jahlil at the post. Then you have cap space, 4 1st rounders next year & Saric.
3.) Magic
Good collective talent but most are either very good borderline star to weak star guys. FWIW, I think they are building something special with defensively versatile guys who got good motor.
4.) Lakers
Clarkson, Galloway and ROY version of MCW are fools gold IMO. It's Russell and Randle who can be special. Like most guys, I'm also not high on Randle. Russell for me is high risk and high reward, depending if he can translate well in the NBA at the PG position.

Where is Minnesota bro?

Maybe he had a change of heart and thinks the Wolves are too good to list.

Sorry, about that. Will edit my original post.

For me, Wolves are third behind Sixers. The Sixers core is redundant because all of them play center. But in terms of overall upside/value, I think Jahlil/Noel/Biid is a better than Rubio/Towns/Wiggins. Because like I said, all three guys of the Sixers can be dominant. Embiid, dominant at both ends. Noel, dominant at the offensive end. Jahlil, dominant at the offensive end.

Most people has Embiid over Towns. Jahlil has shown to be a much dominant prospect than Wiggins, although Wiggins is a very good two way player. Then I think Noel also trumps over Rubio.

Dcebucks11 · Post #74 » by **Dcebucks11** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:06 am

76ciology wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:
Zeitgeister wrote:
Where is Minnesota bro?

Maybe he had a change of heart and thinks the Wolves are too good to list.

Sorry, about that. Will edit my original post.

For me, Wolves are third behind Sixers. The Sixers core is redundant because all of them play center. But in terms of overall upside/value, I think Jahlil/Noel/Biid is a better than Rubio/Towns/Wiggins. Because like I said, all three guys of the Sixers can be dominant. Embiid, dominant at both ends. Noel, dominant at the offensive end. Jahlil, dominant at the offensive end.

Most people has Embiid over Towns. Jahlil has shown to be a much dominant prospect than Wiggins, although Wiggins is a very good two way player. Then I think Noel also trumps over Rubio.

You have to factor in Embiids injury, we dont even know if he'll be able to last 10 NBA games let alone a full season..

also lol at jahlil being a better prospect than wiggins..

76ciology · Post #75 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:10 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:Maybe he had a change of heart and thinks the Wolves are too good to list.

Sorry, about that. Will edit my original post.

For me, Wolves are third behind Sixers. The Sixers core is redundant because all of them play center. But in terms of overall upside/value, I think Jahlil/Noel/Biid is a better than Rubio/Towns/Wiggins. Because like I said, all three guys of the Sixers can be dominant. Embiid, dominant at both ends. Noel, dominant at the offensive end. Jahlil, dominant at the offensive end.

Most people has Embiid over Towns. Jahlil has shown to be a much dominant prospect than Wiggins, although Wiggins is a very good two way player. Then I think Noel also trumps over Rubio.

You have to factor in Embiids injury, we dont even know if he'll be able to last 10 NBA games let alone a full season..

also lol at jahlil being a better prospect than wiggins..

Jahlil has always carried his team and won championships at every level. He was also a much more dominant player in college than Wiggins. His inside/post scoring is one of the best in more than a decade.

Zeitgeister · Post #76 » by **Zeitgeister** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:44 am

Jahlil didn't really carry his team in March though. He was the best player on the team for most of the year but he wasn't that effective beyond the first couple rounds of the tournament. Jahlil was dominant as a scorer in college but there are a lot of questions about how well his game will translate to the pros. I have no doubt he'll score but will he be efficient enough to necessitate throwing it to him 20+ times a game? Will he provide the other things? I think he has nice potential to do the other stuff but it didn't really show up in college.

ImChillin01 · Post #77 » by **ImChillin01** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:10 pm

NikolaPekovic wrote:Funny how Wolves out tanked the Sixers when the original goal was to compete each season.

Isn't that kind of sad tho. Your team won less games than d league squad

Zeitgeister · Post #78 » by **Zeitgeister** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:27 pm

ImChillin01 wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:Funny how Wolves out tanked the Sixers when the original goal was to compete each season.

Isn't that kind of sad tho. Your team won less games than d league squad

We had a D league squad. The Wolves signed some dude at a YMCA just to satisfy the minimum roster requirements, that's a bit of an exaggeration but not much. They had so many injuries, Pekovic, Rubio, Shabazz, Buddinger, Martin, Bennett, Hummel.

NikolaPekovic · Post #79 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:08 am

ImChillin01 wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:Funny how Wolves out tanked the Sixers when the original goal was to compete each season.

Isn't that kind of sad tho. Your team won less games than d league squad

One team is in the western conference, one team is in a historically bad division.

HeartBreakKid · Post #80 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:57 pm

NikolaPekovic wrote:
ImChillin01 wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:Funny how Wolves out tanked the Sixers when the original goal was to compete each season.

Isn't that kind of sad tho. Your team won less games than d league squad

One team is in the western conference, one team is in a historically bad division.

Philly didn't stat pad off their division. They won 2 games (minny won 4 games in their division).

Who has the best young core (Rank them )