Free Agency Thread -David West to Spurs for free

[raferfenix]

Marc Stein on Mike and Mike saying that we really wanted Chandler and we set his contract and Phoenix matched our offer.

Scary we were willing to give that deal to Chandler.

He also said we have a real shot at landing Monroe.

So...when does all this sucking up to Jeff Schwartz lead to us benefitting?

Don't get me wrong, 4 years to Chandler is nasty and I am concerned if we really offered that.

I guess I'm hoping Monroe was always our target and Stein missed part of the story where Chandler signed in Phoenix because he was plan B or C for the Bucks. That would be understandable.

Generally hoping we are not being brutally played by the agents for leverage, and that something good comes out of this for us however which way.

[randy84]

I don't understand this notion that Monroe is using the Bucks for leverage, it makes absolutely zero sense. He's one of the most coveted free agents in the NBA this off-season, and he will get a max deal from whichever team he goes to. What exactly is he leveraging?

I also don't get the leverage angle. What is that conversation like?

"We offer you the max amount we can offer you." - New York
"I want more or I will go to Milwaukee!" - Monroe
"... We literally cannot offer you more money. We are offering you the most money that we possibly can." - New York
"DON'T MAKE ME GO TO MILWAUKEE!!!!" - Monroe

More like

Monroe: "I really don't want to go to Milwaukee, why hasn't New York made an offer yet?"
Falk: "They are going after Jordan and LMA, but if that fails then they would like to sign you."
Monroe: " Well tell them to hurry up and make a decision."
Falk: " I will put it out there that you are considering Milwaukee and Portland. Maybe that will get New York to pull the trigger sooner."
Monroe: "Agent F, you da best!"

[Newz]

Has Mozgov signed anywhere yet? Is he a possibility?

[xTitan]

If he wanted Portland so bad, wouldn't he just sign there before LA makes a decision? If he's waiting for LA to go back, that just seems like Monroe is Portland's fall back plan. Not sure if Greg would be happy being another teams 2nd option.

lA is portlands first choice, Monroe is the back-up, he could care less about being a back up plan if that is where he wants to be

[LUKE23]

I seriously doubt Monroe is using Milwaukee for leverage, when NY/LA/POR already very likely have the max sitting on the table. He's deciding where he wants to play. I think he wants to win. Being in Detroit for four years will do that.

[salsa]

What pisses me off most is the line of BS we were given when LED bought the team that they were going to slowly build the team and how we should be patient, blah blah blah.

We won too many games last season. We are ahead of schedule.

Monroe is only 25......that's a smart youth pickup.

[Newz]

I seriously doubt Monroe is using Milwaukee for leverage, when NY/LA/POR already very likely have the max sitting on the table already. He's deciding where he wants to play. I think he wants to win. Being in Detroit for four years will do that.

Yup.

I doubt he ends up here. But I don't think we are some leverage play on the other listed teams. He's probably just weighing his options. I do think there is a chance that he might be waiting on Aldridge... like maybe he wants to sign in Portland, but Portland won't make their offer valid until LMA is for sure gone.

[raferfenix]

Is Robin Lopez waiting on the Bucks to decide about Monroe, or do we think the Bucks would close the deal with Rolo right now if we could?

[paulpressey25]

Is Robin Lopez waiting on the Bucks to decide about Monroe, or do we think the Bucks would close the deal with Rolo right now if we could?

Waiting for the NYC media to report on the Knicks meeting with him last night.

That said Lopez could be waiting on the Knicks to decide about Monroe.

The great thing for either guy is that they know they will be paid big by someone. This market has so many buyers with cash and isn't going to evaporate for those two particular players.

[Badgerlander]

I'd be down with Koufos on a reasonable 2-3 year deal, or a similar contract for everyone's favorite analytics darling Kyle O'Quinn.

I don't think Monroe is worth the current max even under a rising cap. Just don't see it and I never have with the guy.

We aren't getting KOQ. He's a restricted free agent. Based on yesterday we'd need to offer him 4/$40 to get Orl to even think about not matching.

I think that we could get him for 2nd in a sign and trade, but I'd just sign him to a reasonable offer and see if they match. Especially if Tobes signs an offer sheet, make them sweat. They still have $20mil wrapped up in nonrimprotecting Frye and Vuc, not sure that they really want to add to that.

[BMatt07]

If Monroe truly wanted to be a Buck he would've signed sometime yesterday, using Milwaukke & Portland for leverage.

If every team is offering him the same max deal, there would be no need to use a team as leverage.

Sure there would, he might want to get to a specific team or market....if you don't sign on your first round of initial offers, assuming they are max, you are waiting for dominoes to fall hoping you can get to the team/market you want

He's arguably the 2nd most coveted free agent on the market at the moment behind LMA. He doesn't need to wait for anything to fall, he is the domino.

As far as wanting to go to a specific market or team, if he wants a max deal, which presumably he does, he knows which teams can offer that. Do you expect some team to miraculously clear max contract cap space? I guess I don't understand what you're getting it.

It has been long rumored (since before the start of last NBA season) that he wanted to go to New York once he became a free agent. I'd say it bodes well for the Bucks that he hasn't signed on that dotted line yet, especially when it had been speculated for so long.

[JimmyTheKid]

Yep. And the panic move(s) we make after we strike out could be epic. Welcome back to the Kohl era folks. Thank god we lucked into Giannis and to a lesser extent Jabari.

We have yet to make a single "Kohl era" move since Kohl sold the team. How about saving these ridiculous posts for AFTER we make a Drew Gooden/John Salmons/Carlos Delfino/Stephen Jackson/Corey Maggette/JJ Redick type move?

I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict you, and the other usual suspects, will somehow equate the new regime to the Kohl era regardless of what happens in free agency. If the Bucks don't sign anyone of note it'll be "I thought Jason Kidd was going to attract free agents..." If we land a Schwartz guy, it'll be "Schwartzy-meddle this and Schwartzy-meddle that." And if we do land a Greg Monroe or Robin Lopez, you know, guys in the prime of their careers, you'll say the contract was too expensive or we signed the wrong guys.

Jason Kidd and LED won't win over a certain contingent until we win a title. Which seems fair.

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

I'm "making jumps" yet you're the one comparing inconsequential 10-day contracts, 2-year vet minimum deals, and trading a very late 1st rounder which most likely won't net a player as good as Vasquez, to moves from the Kohl era? Hell, I didn't even like the Bayless signing or Vasquez trade. But they're blip moves. They don't change anything about building this thing the right way. And here you are using the "K" word.

[LikeABosh]

Has Mozgov signed anywhere yet? Is he a possibility?

He's not a free agent

[Badgerlander]

Has Mozgov signed anywhere yet? Is he a possibility?

The Cavs had a team option for this year at 4.95mil that they picked up.

[jakecronus8]

We have yet to make a single "Kohl era" move since Kohl sold the team. How about saving these ridiculous posts for AFTER we make a Drew Gooden/John Salmons/Carlos Delfino/Stephen Jackson/Corey Maggette/JJ Redick type move?

I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict you, and the other usual suspects, will somehow equate the new regime to the Kohl era regardless of what happens in free agency. If the Bucks don't sign anyone of note it'll be "I thought Jason Kidd was going to attract free agents..." If we land a Schwartz guy, it'll be "Schwartzy-meddle this and Schwartzy-meddle that." And if we do land a Greg Monroe or Robin Lopez, you know, guys in the prime of their careers, you'll say the contract was too expensive or we signed the wrong guys.

Jason Kidd and LED won't win over a certain contingent until we win a title. Which seems fair.

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

I'm "making jumps" yet you're the one comparing inconsequential 10-day contracts, 2-year vet minimum deals, and trading a very late 1st rounder which most likely won't net a player as good as Vasquez, to moves from the Kohl era? Hell, I didn't even like the Bayless signing or Vasquez trade. But they're blip moves. They don't change anything about building this thing the right way. And here you are using the "K" word.

Please sell me on our offseason if we don't end up signing Monroe.

[Badgerlander]

I seriously doubt Monroe is using Milwaukee for leverage, when NY/LA/POR already very likely have the max sitting on the table. He's deciding where he wants to play. I think he wants to win. Being in Detroit for four years will do that.

There is always the possibility that NYK and/or LA were only offering a 4 year deal, etc, but I think you are right. Monroe is probably just waiting to see who else signs with LA + NY, and if LMA goes back to POR. I can't imagine that one year of Afflalo moves the needle much for him.

[Ron Swanson]

Yep. And the panic move(s) we make after we strike out could be epic. Welcome back to the Kohl era folks. Thank god we lucked into Giannis and to a lesser extent Jabari.

We have yet to make a single "Kohl era" move since Kohl sold the team. How about saving these ridiculous posts for AFTER we make a Drew Gooden/John Salmons/Carlos Delfino/Stephen Jackson/Corey Maggette/JJ Redick type move?

I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict you, and the other usual suspects, will somehow equate the new regime to the Kohl era regardless of what happens in free agency. If the Bucks don't sign anyone of note it'll be "I thought Jason Kidd was going to attract free agents..." If we land a Schwartz guy, it'll be "Schwartzy-meddle this and Schwartzy-meddle that." And if we do land a Greg Monroe or Robin Lopez, you know, guys in the prime of their careers, you'll say the contract was too expensive or we signed the wrong guys.

Jason Kidd and LED won't win over a certain contingent until we win a title. Which seems fair.

Ha! Some nice jumps you made there.

We haven't made one single Kohl era move? Bayless, Vasquez for multiple picks, falling over ourselves to max out an above average soft big in Monroe, bringing in 93 year old Kenyon Martin, trying to re-sign Knight. The only thing I'll give credit for as non Kohl would be moving Knight when you knew you weren't re-signing him.

Are we still using the lol-worthy declaration that signing K-Mart to two 10-day contracts was a horrible, terrible "Kohl move"? You must have been really upset that he was blocking minutes from the great JOB for a whole 3 weeks...

The only move that lends even a shred of credibility to your argument is moving the Clips potential 1st for Vasquez, for obvious reasons. The overreaction of the Bayless signing was epic and hilarious, especially when he was essentially a bargain on his $3 mil salary for most of last year. And "trying to re-sign Knight"? ....Reaching much?

[raferfenix]

Is Robin Lopez waiting on the Bucks to decide about Monroe, or do we think the Bucks would close the deal with Rolo right now if we could?

Waiting for the NYC media to report on the Knicks meeting with him last night.

That said Lopez could be waiting on the Knicks to decide about Monroe.

The great thing for either guy is that they know they will be paid big by someone. This market has so many buyers with cash and isn't going to evaporate for those two particular players.

Monroe not signing with the Knicks immediately shows that something is up. I can't see NY waiting on him for anything, unless maybe if Deandre Jordan is a real possibility.

Rolo covering up for Porzingis and Melo would be a good role for him and he seems like a gritty NY fan favorite type....but that team being so far away from winning anything is a big drawback.

[sidney moncrief]

Free agency is barely a day old and people are already comparing this to a Kohl offseason?

[Badgerlander]

Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh 6m6 minutes ago
Favorite deals so far: K. Love (5 years!) & Danny Green (elite 3-and-D, Spurs discount). Least? Asik (slow C dying breed) & B.Knight (Meh).