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State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

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Re: State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. 

Post#361 » by NBACommissioner » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:31 pm

frumble wrote:Brooks, Stauskas, English, etc. may be o.k to bring the ball up the floor in no pressure situations, but if they were in the game with no true PG, I think other teams would press and we would in trouble.

IMHO we need 2 true PGs on the roster. With Ennis injured, Kagongo seemingly out of the picture (he could have benefited from PanAms), and Pangos and Joseph questionable b/c of contracts, we could be looking at Anderson and Cadougan for the FIBAs.


Stauskas was basically pg in college i'm sure he could handle pressure.
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Post#362 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:36 pm

It would really be a shame for C. Joseph to have played on almost every Canadian team since his junior days only to miss the first tournament in a long time where we have a great chance of doing well and playing for something important, simply because of his contract situation.

Can the Raptors or another team please just give him an offer sheet now to force San Antonio to make a decision on him quickly so he can get his contract situation settled and play for the National Team? Haha.
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Post#363 » by frumble » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:38 pm

Re cuts, I think they keep all 3 PGs - Murray, Cadougan and Anderson.
Murray for the experience and to cement his commitment to the program, and Cadougan and Anderson b/c it is increasingly looking like we may need one or both of them for FIBAs.

English is a lock if he wants a spot.

That means Mullings and D. Joseph are competing for one spot.

So a backcourt of Anderson, Cadougan, Murray, English, and either Mullings or Joseph.

Re the frontcourt, I think Bennett, Nicholson, Bhullar, and Wiltjer are near locks.

I would also keep Brooks, Ejim, and Pierre, b/c I think they are better longer-term prospects, and cut Doornekamp, Scrubb, and Ashaolu, but I really don't know what to expect here.


Re Stauskas, I hope his absence is b/c of summer league, and not b/c of any lack of commitment for FIBAs.

Not sure what, if anything, to read into the other somewhat notable absences (e.g., Rautins and Sacre). With Heslip, Pangos and Powell, I assume it is summer league related.
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Post#364 » by TheFutureMM » Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:51 pm

frumble wrote:Re cuts, I think they keep all 3 PGs - Murray, Cadougan and Anderson.
Murray for the experience and to cement his commitment to the program, and Cadougan and Anderson b/c it is increasingly looking like we may need one or both of them for FIBAs.

English is a lock if he wants a spot.

That means Mullings and D. Joseph are competing for one spot.

So a backcourt of Anderson, Cadougan, Murray, English, and either Mullings or Joseph.

Re the frontcourt, I think Bennett, Nicholson, Bhullar, and Wiltjer are near locks.

I would also keep Brooks, Ejim, and Pierre, b/c I think they are better longer-term prospects, and cut Doornekamp, Scrubb, and Ashaolu, but I really don't know what to expect here.


Re Stauskas, I hope his absence is b/c of summer league, and not b/c of any lack of commitment for FIBAs.

Not sure what, if anything, to read into the other somewhat notable absences (e.g., Rautins and Sacre). With Heslip, Pangos and Powell, I assume it is summer league related.


I have a feeling the confusion surrounding Stauskas might be due to the fact that he was just traded. Maybe the Kings didn't care if he played Summer League and maybe the 76ers do. Can't fault a guy for playing summer league for his new team when he is trying to find his groove.

Hopefully Wiggins, Stauskas, Olynyk, and Powell show up this summer for FIBA. Sounds like Ennis/Thompson are out for sure so will need those four big time. Kind of shocked Olynyk isn't playing in this and still holding out hope that Cojo figures out his contract prior to September.
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Post#365 » by frumble » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:02 pm

Per Wolstat, Triano said that Minnesota and Boston want Wiggins and Olynyk to play for Canada this summer, just not at both events.

IMHO this is significant - in the back of my mind I have always been worried that either (especially Wiggins) may bow out because of team not wanting him to play.

Re Stauskas, Triano says Sac wanted him in summer league, trade isn't official until July 9, and that he hasn't talked to Philly about participation.

Other info from press conference: Ennis out for 6 more months, Thompson and Joseph still maybees for FIBAs, sooner that they get young stars senior team experience the better, Canada held Murray out U19s because they only wanted him to play one of PanAms and U19s.

Per Hoops Hype:
Triano on Brooks and Murray playing in Mexico later this summer: After Pan Am Games we will evaluate.

This strikes me as odd. Wouldn't they need to be on campus by September? Anyone know if Oregon and Kentucky are on quarter or semester system, and when students need to be on campus?
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Post#366 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:02 pm

frumble wrote:
I would also keep Brooks, Ejim, and Pierre, b/c I think they are better longer-term prospects, and cut Doornekamp, Scrubb, and Ashaolu, but I really don't know what to expect here.



I would also love to see Brooks and Pierre on the team. Along with Wiltjer I think they're the best bets for the "backup to Andrew Wiggins at SF" position for the foreseeable future.
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Post#367 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:08 pm

frumble wrote: Canada held Murray out U19s because they only wanted him to play one of PanAms and U19s.

Per Hoops Hype:
Triano on Brooks and Murray playing in Mexico later this summer: After Pan Am Games we will evaluate.

This strikes me as odd. Wouldn't they need to be on campus by September? Anyone know if Oregon and Kentucky are on quarter or semester system, and when students need to be on campus?


I hope they made the right choice on Murray. I see that the U19 team lost their quarterfinal game this morning. Seeing as PG was a clear weakness on that team (along with frontcourt depth), I wonder how much of a difference Murray would have made? Could he have tilted the balance and helped get them to the gold medal game?

I suppose if Calipari were fully on board and thought the FIBA experience would be good for him, I'm sure he could find a way to have Murray make up a few classes that he would miss in the first couple of weeks of the school year.
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Post#368 » by TheFutureMM » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:25 pm

frumble wrote:Per Wolstat, Triano said that Minnesota and Boston want Wiggins and Olynyk to play for Canada this summer, just not at both events.

IMHO this is significant - in the back of my mind I have always been worried that either (especially Wiggins) may bow out because of team not wanting him to play.

Re Stauskas, Triano says Sac wanted him in summer league, trade isn't official until July 9, and that he hasn't talked to Philly about participation.

Other info from press conference: Ennis out for 6 more months, Thompson and Joseph still maybees for FIBAs, sooner that they get young stars senior team experience the better, Canada held Murray out U19s because they only wanted him to play one of PanAms and U19s.

Per Hoops Hype:
Triano on Brooks and Murray playing in Mexico later this summer: After Pan Am Games we will evaluate.

This strikes me as odd. Wouldn't they need to be on campus by September? Anyone know if Oregon and Kentucky are on quarter or semester system, and when students need to be on campus?


Weird... They held Murray out of U19s so he could only play one event but at the same time have Dillon Brooks trying out for Pan AMs after playing the U19s?

Maybe they see Murray playing for the FIBA team as well and didn't want to burn him out with three events.
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Post#369 » by Undefeated » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:34 pm

Does anyone know why Rautins didn't get an invite?
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Post#370 » by Mattd97 » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:48 pm

yeah there are some interesting omissions. hope things change by fiba
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Post#371 » by Patman » Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:57 pm

frumble wrote:Wolstat tweets:

Olympic qualifying roster will add Stauskas, Ennis, Wiggins, maybe more, but Thompson and Cory Joseph extremely unlikely and 50-50.

Is he unaware of Ennis' injury?

If he is right that C. Joseph is only 50/50, we could really be in trouble. Anderson and Cadougan as our PGs?


Maybe he mixed them up?
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Post#372 » by Patman » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:00 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:Wow, everyone jumped on this quick in the time I was writing my response.

I'm guessing Wolstat is also missing Powell and Sacre? Or, at least, I hope he is if Thompson is unlikely.


Wolstat did say "maybe more". Maybe Powell and Sacre were not available for Pan Ams, but are willing to try out for the Olympic qualifiers? The guys Wolstat named are only the guys whose spots are locked if they are available to play.
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Post#373 » by frumble » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:04 pm

Re Rautins (and Sacre and others), we don't know if they didn't get invites, or if they turned down invites, and what this means for FIBAs.

Per Wolstat, Triano said that "lots of other players are at Summer League trying to make NBA, or else would be in mix. Don’t want to take opportunity away."

I am hoping that explains Powell, Stauskas, and Heslip (and even Birch and Bachynski, who could be in the running for spots of TT and/or Sacre don't play).


Re Murray for FIBAs, I like him long-term, but at this stage is he better than Anderson?

If no Joseph or Pangos, are there any other PG possibilities to compete with Anderson and Cadougan? Naz Long? Kenny Cherry? It really is too bad Kabongo is MIA - he might have had a shot at making the team this summer.

And its too bad Dylan Ennis opted to play for Jamaica a few years ago. At the time he seemed pretty deep on the Canadian depth chart, but at this point it sure would be nice to have him as an option.
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Post#374 » by arbsn » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:07 pm

Very surprised at no Pangos, Powell and Sacre... They all need to up their reps...

Anderson/Cadougan is weak at PG... Likely won't win PanAm with these 2 as our primary PGs (Jamal is a huge ? at this point)
We have surprisingly strong wings for PanAM (Ejim, English, Wiltjer, Doornekamp, Joseph)
Our big men will have a huge advantage (Bennett, Olu, Nicholson) and should dominate

Projected starting lineup is Anderson, English, Wiltjer, Bennett, Nicholson
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Post#375 » by orbesnet » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:14 pm

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Post#376 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:18 pm

arbsn wrote:
Projected starting lineup is Anderson, English, Wiltjer, Bennett, Nicholson


I agree, that's a decent starting lineup for the Pan Ams, although maybe a little questionable defensively. Still, when you consider where this program was even 5 years ago, for our B-team of summer tournaments to have a starting lineup with 2 NBA bigs, one of the best players in Europe, another starting European player, and a Wooden candidate NCAA player, it just shows how far Canada Basketball has come.
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Post#377 » by frumble » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:30 pm

Not to get too hung up on positions, but is Wiltjer really a viable option for the 3? Did he play 3 with the Zags at all (e.g., did they ever have Karnowski, Sabonis, and Wiltjer on the floor at the same time?)

Of the hybrid forwards on the PanAm roster, I see Ashaolu, T Scrubb, Ejim, Doornekamp and maybe even Bennett as more likely to play the 3 than Wiltjer.
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Post#378 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:40 pm

frumble wrote:Not to get too hung up on positions, but is Wiltjer really a viable option for the 3? Did he play 3 with the Zags at all (e.g., did they ever have Karnowski, Sabonis, and Wiltjer on the floor at the same time?)

Of the hybrid forwards on the PanAm roster, I see Ashaolu, T Scrubb, Ejim, Doornekamp and maybe even Bennett as more likely to play the 3 than Wiltjer.


You're right that he played very little at the 3 for Gonzaga. At the same time, he won't be the primary offensive option for Team Canada like he was for the Zags. I would think that Nicholson, Bennett and English would all be ahead of him. His biggest benefit to the team will probably revolve around his outside shooting, which means that he'd probably play more of a "3" for that team on offence anyway.

The biggest concern, of course, would be how he fares defensively at the 3, particularly going against some national teams that might have a smaller wing playing the 3 in what is essentially a three guard lineup. He'd probably get torched there, so Triano will need to be creative with his lineups.

Basically, maybe you're right, maybe he would be better coming off the bench, where he could have more of a primary scoring role and his defensive short-comings could be better hidden in lineups that don't have Nicholson, etc. who have their own short-comings at that end.
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Post#379 » by mojo13 » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:03 pm

I watch allot of Gonzaga bball. Wiltjer is very likely the most talented offensive player on that list. And likely in all the NCAA. But also the worst defensively.
He can not play the three at all - never played it at Gonzaga - and can't really defend the 4 well. D will be the only thing that keeps him out of the NBA. But is also the main thing he focused on improving.

This list is far better than I was expecting. Far better and I think we should be happy. I mean really, who gives a crap about the PanAms other than a chance to give the young guys experience.

I also think CJ and TT will be there for the FIBAs. It is still a few months off, so no need to panic.
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Post#380 » by Latrell » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:05 pm

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