Suns Offseason Thread 2: The Hunt for a Blazer Continues!

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1981 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:52 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Suns should definitely look into trading for David Lee. Do a three team trade. Markieff goes to some team, Lee goes to Phoenix, and Golden State clears cap space. Lee looked really good in the finals. Then sign Amare to back up David Lee.

that would literally be the worst defensive pf duo in the history of the NBA

AtheJ415 · Post #1982 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:53 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Suns should definitely look into trading for David Lee. Do a three team trade. Markieff goes to some team, Lee goes to Phoenix, and Golden State clears cap space. Lee looked really good in the finals. Then sign Amare to back up David Lee.

NO! Getting Lee is fine. Trading Lee for Markieff is a giant downgrade to our future.

How else would they get Lee. He makes 15 million dollars next season. Markieff makes 8 million. After the trade with Detroit, the Suns have 20 million in cap space. Chandler takes 13 of that 20. That leaves over 7 million. 8 + 7 = 15. So the Suns trade out 8 million with Markieff and get back Lee's 15 million. It is the only way it can happen.

If he is what is required then you don't get Lee. Trading the younger player of similar value on a locked in, cheaper contract for the older player his team is trying to salary dump for years is NEVER a win. Ever. We'd just walk away.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1983 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:53 pm

JTrain wrote:So we gonna sign The Gerald back now? Three years, 15 million or something similar?

god I hope not. Just let Archie and booker get the backup 2 guard minutes. Signing Green or any vet like him would be foolish and make me very pissed.

Mr-Al · Post #1984 » by **Mr-Al** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:55 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Suns should definitely look into trading for David Lee. Do a three team trade. Markieff goes to some team, Lee goes to Phoenix, and Golden State clears cap space. Lee looked really good in the finals. Then sign Amare to back up David Lee.

NO! Getting Lee is fine. Trading Lee for Markieff is a giant downgrade to our future.

How else would they get Lee. He makes 15 million dollars next season. Markieff makes 8 million. After the trade with Detroit, the Suns have 20 million in cap space. Chandler takes 13 of that 20. That leaves over 7 million. 8 + 7 = 15. So the Suns trade out 8 million with Markieff and get back Lee's 15 million. It is the only way it can happen.

Is this a joke or are you purposely trying to hurt the team

Why the **** would you want Lee

Let alone give up Kieff for him?

That would be the most terrible, terrible trade maybe in the history of trades

Jesus Christ

RunDogGun · Post #1985 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:59 pm

JTrain wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
JTrain wrote:
I didn't realize there was only need for one leadership role per team.

Who said there was? Are you implying it would be better to give minutes to Granger instead of Warren? Funny that you bypass the rebounding and interior defense. I know, it was all you had. It must be rough hating the team you are supposedly a fan of.

Hahaha, wut? My initial point had zero to do with Chandler. Zero. You said, "Didn't picking up Chandler make Granger redundant? " If Granger was going to help the team with leadership, then he would help with or without Chandler. How signing a center makes Granger redundant is confusing.

Actually your initial point was to rip fellow fans here on this board, I simply provided an answer as to why an optimistic fan of the team was fine with Granger being moved. There was no spin needed. Granger was a throw in, but he could have provided vet leadership we needed. But realistically, he wouldn't have received as many minutes as say Chandler would, who can be all that Granger is in terms of leadership, and be on the floor more.

TeamTragic · Post #1986 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:00 pm

13ONE3 wrote:Gambo with the dagger haha

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/617373361522388992[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/617373470809194496[/tweet]

Thanks for wasting our time LMA. This is honestly why I hate FA. Smoke and mirrors.

NavLDO · Post #1987 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:03 pm

So, who's most likely now:

David Lee
Brandon Bass
Kyle O'Quinn (who I like)
Stoudemire
Boozer
J. Hill

Mr-Al · Post #1988 » by **Mr-Al** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:04 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Now back to your regularly scheduled Bledsoe trade rumors.

haha I was thinking the same thing.

Theoretically a Bled/Kieff trade for Love is still possible, however unlikely

Honestly I'm not sure how much of a better team that would make us in the short term though.

Porzingis is still there. Kaminsky + something is there in exchange for a Kieff maybe. Idk. **** it

I just hate the thought of relegating Len to the bench just to have some 33 year old scrape together a couple more wins just so we can get swept in the first round a little sooner

**** LMA. It literally all depended on him. The 2016 FA's suck balls

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1989 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:04 pm

NavLDO wrote:So, who's most likely now:

David Lee
Brandon Bass
Kyle O'Quinn (who I like)
Stoudemire
Boozer
J. Hill

no thanks to most of that list. Maybe O'Quinn but isn't he really more of a c?

TeamTragic · Post #1990 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:04 pm

ray ray wrote:I've talked to my source and he told me it's not true about LMA making up his mind two days ago.. He might of always preferred the Spurs due to his family being there... But the Suns changed his mind quickly which is why Pops requested a second meeting...

Concerning LMA impact if he had signed with the Suns... I don't think he would've been enough to bring a ship to us.. Like someone said, it would've if made us relevant again but not contenders..

The Tyson a Chandler signing has to do more with leadership and toughness than anything gents... Then you add that he can still play ... You guys will not understand how bad the leadership was needed last season, especially when the Morris brothers acted up..

Alex Len will gain the most from Chandler... He's already a hard worker, competitor and tough as nails... Now you add Chandlers knowledge to the game, the sky is the limit ..

The Chandler signing is going to be a cheap contract once the TV money comes in.. So will the backcourt team of Bledsoe and Knight...

Getting another players just for the sake of getting another player never has worked.. (Enter Hakim Warrick)

I do know that the Suns are working he phones very diligently seeing what's out there ... And yes, they where prepare for this... Getting another 34 year old vet in David West isn't the answer..

Why did we not get a second meeting with LMA? Didn't we deserve that at the very least?

Mr-Al · Post #1991 » by **Mr-Al** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:05 pm

NavLDO wrote:So, who's most likely now:

David Lee
Brandon Bass
Kyle O'Quinn (who I like)
Stoudemire
Boozer
J. Hill

your list is accurate

but that doesn't mean I can't still vomit profusely at the though of these guys

AtheJ415 · Post #1992 » by **AtheJ415** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:05 pm

NavLDO wrote:So, who's most likely now:

David Lee
Brandon Bass
Kyle O'Quinn (who I like)
Stoudemire
Boozer
J. Hill

No point in any of those except for O'Quinn and Hill. Lee is only worthwhile if he brings additional pieces for taking on his awful contract.

JTrain · Post #1993 » by **JTrain** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:07 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Chandler... who can be all that Granger is in terms of leadership...

This is what I'm asking about. If Granger was a good veteran leadership presence (not my contention, but others') then how does adding another veteran leadership presence make the first redundant? That would imply that once you have one good veteran leader, adding any additional leaders is overkill. I believe good teams usually have several players with these qualities.

Mr-Al · Post #1994 » by **Mr-Al** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:08 pm

After all this bs, I don't think I could handle ever seeing Gerald Green in a Suns jersey again, should have traded the guy last summer

(you could have said that about Dragic, Mook, Kieff, and Tucker)

Jdiddy701 · Post #1995 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:09 pm

You know the Suns have a backup plan. Just waited for more moves.

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letsgosuns · Post #1996 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:09 pm

Mr-Al wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:

NO! Getting Lee is fine. Trading Lee for Markieff is a giant downgrade to our future.

How else would they get Lee. He makes 15 million dollars next season. Markieff makes 8 million. After the trade with Detroit, the Suns have 20 million in cap space. Chandler takes 13 of that 20. That leaves over 7 million. 8 + 7 = 15. So the Suns trade out 8 million with Markieff and get back Lee's 15 million. It is the only way it can happen.

Why the **** would you want Lee

Let alone give up Kieff for him?

That would be the most terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible trade in the history of trades

I have said this multiple times for a long time time. I would trade both of the Morris brothers for garbage bags. So say whatever you want. I deep down believe the Morris brothers are horrific players to have on your team. Everything about them is negative. Get them off the team. Getting Lee for Markieff would be a major win for me. Hell getting a box of cereal for Markieff would be a good return imo. I had a hard time rooting for the Suns just because I hate him and his brother so much as basketball players.

TeamTragic · Post #1997 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:09 pm

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NoKneeBledsoe · Post #1998 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:10 pm

When has Markieff been good? Someone answer that for me??

Mr-Al · Post #1999 » by **Mr-Al** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:11 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
Mr-Al wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
How else would they get Lee. He makes 15 million dollars next season. Markieff makes 8 million. After the trade with Detroit, the Suns have 20 million in cap space. Chandler takes 13 of that 20. That leaves over 7 million. 8 + 7 = 15. So the Suns trade out 8 million with Markieff and get back Lee's 15 million. It is the only way it can happen.

Why the **** would you want Lee

Let alone give up Kieff for him?

That would be the most terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible trade in the history of trades

I have said this multiple times for a long time time. I would trade both of the Morris brothers for garbage bags. So say whatever you want. I deep down believe the Morris brothers are horrific players to have on your team. Everything about them is negative. Get them off the team. Getting Lee for Markieff would be a major win for me. Hell getting a box of cereal for Markieff would be a good return imo. I had a hard time rooting for the Suns just because I hate him and his brother so much as basketball players.

oh ****, didn't read the name of the poster I was replying to srry, didn't want to go down this road again

nevermind. I know you have absolutely zero regard for the real world and actual player values

JTrain · Post #2000 » by **JTrain** » Sat Jul 4, 2015 6:12 pm

This should make everyone feel better: https://asubstituteforwar.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/2015-nba-draft-rankings/