Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[Nando88]

I wish Keef was smarter and more mature to get over this. He would be better with a center like chandler playing next to him.


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[JMac1]

I wish Keef was smarter and more mature to get over this. He would be better with a center like chandler playing next to him.


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He'll be fine

Bledsoe
Knight
Warren
Kieff/Len
Chandler/Len



try again next year. If the youngins blow up then we might not need to sign any "star" free agents next year or they'll be begging to come here.

[bwgood77]

Poll added. I tried to include all potential opinions....I could have easily come up with 10, but I figured that would make the poll more confusing.

I'm just trying to see if more people want Kieff or not and at what cost.

[Nando88]

I wish Keef was smarter and more mature to get over this. He would be better with a center like chandler playing next to him.


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He'll be fine

Bledsoe
Knight
Warren
Kieff/Len
Chandler/Len



try again next year. If the youngins blow up then we might not need to sign any "star" free agents next year or they'll be begging to come here.

I'm good with this plan. Just need a back up pg and pf. This team is better now than it was before free agency that's for damn sure .


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[Blackification]

I still like Markieff, and hope he can be a professional and his attitude improves now that Marcus is gone. He is still a very talented player on a great contract.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Call me nuts but I wouldn't be upset if the Suns brought back in Lou Amundson as a back of the bench guy. He is experienced, smart, a very good character guy and someone that could help out in the locker room.

[SunsFanSSOL]

From Coro:

The Suns still will look to add shooting, experience, frontline help and a third point guard in free agency. They will remain open to using their cache of draft picks and young talent in a trade that lands an elite player, which they acknowledge needing to reach the next tier. Until that type of deal becomes available, it appears they will tweak the roster in free agency with role players and count on maturation from their young standouts.

That could mean pursuit of a free agent power forward like Brandon Bass, Jordan Hill, Darrell Arthur or Andrea Bargnani, a wing shooter like Rasual Butler or Dorell Wright, a defensive wing like Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a backup point guard like C.J. Watson, Ish Smith or a Euroleague player. There also are sentimental free agency options, like a Suns return for Amar'e Stoudemire, who is interested in doing so, or a hometown career finish for Richard Jefferson.


The Suns also now have an interesting situation with four-year power forward Markieff Morris. They clearly were trying to replace him with Aldridge. They traded away his twin and best friend, Marcus, to Detroit for next to nothing to clear the cap room for a possible Aldridge deal.

Markieff also knows he might have been the player the Suns would have dealt in a sign-and-trade with Dallas for Tyson Chandler.

[Qwigglez]

Alright guys I just won't add draft picks to any trades I make up since you guys put a huge emphasis on em and make em a major sticking point. The framework of a deal would essentially be Kieff for Pau.
If you guys really think Kieff will average better than 18.5/12/2 while hovering around 50% shooting an 80% from the line, then I guess we should keep em. Hopefully next offseason we can go after yet another free agent (hopefully he starts in the All-Star game like Pau did, or make All-NBA 2nd team like Pau did).
I think I'd rather have a 35 year old Pau over a 26 year old Kieff any day of the week. I think I'd rather have a 36 year old Pau over a 27 year old Kieff any day of the week.
Oh and btw, Pau has a player option next offseason, if he decided to take it, we could go after Al Horford. Or if he decided to opt-in then the following off-season we could go after Blake Griffin or Nikola Mirotic.

[NavLDO]

We need to be heavily engaged with Philly and their 10 bigs--Jerami Grant? Thompson? their new pick, Holmes? Dominos are falling--O'Quinn now gone, too. There are still half a dozen PFs I'd rather have than Leuer as our back-up--Hill, Acy, Sims, G.Davis, Bass. Heck, old guys like Scola, Boozer, Evans would be better than Leuer, I think.

[bwgood77]

Call me nuts but I wouldn't be upset if the Suns brought back in Lou Amundson as a back of the bench guy. He is experienced, smart, a very good character guy and someone that could help out in the locker room.

Oh I'd be happy with it too. It just seems funny sometimes that people sometimes make it seem as if he is an enormous difference maker. I guess it could seem that way since we were in the WCF with him.

I do really like him, but I've never seen fans be so attached to a very limited role player like 4-5 years later, and it's not just the new poster...tons of people here were like that.

I love all posts regardless of opinion though...it is pure entertainment. So make it good.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Call me nuts but I wouldn't be upset if the Suns brought back in Lou Amundson as a back of the bench guy. He is experienced, smart, a very good character guy and someone that could help out in the locker room.

Oh I'd be happy with it too. It just seems funny sometimes that people sometimes make it seem as if he is an enormous difference maker. I guess it could seem that way since we were in the WCF with him.

I do really like him, but I've never seen fans be so attached to a very limited role player like 4-5 years later, and it's not just the new poster...tons of people here were like that.

I love all posts regardless of opinion though...it is pure entertainment. So make it good.

I'm not expecting him to make any sort of real difference out on the court but in terms of having a 11th or 12th guy, he wouldn't be a bad player to have around to play a few minutes here and there and add another experienced, level-headed veteran to the roster.

[matt131]

From Coro:

The Suns still will look to add shooting, experience, frontline help and a third point guard in free agency. They will remain open to using their cache of draft picks and young talent in a trade that lands an elite player, which they acknowledge needing to reach the next tier. Until that type of deal becomes available, it appears they will tweak the roster in free agency with role players and count on maturation from their young standouts.

That could mean pursuit of a free agent power forward like Brandon Bass, Jordan Hill, Darrell Arthur or Andrea Bargnani, a wing shooter like Rasual Butler or Dorell Wright, a defensive wing like Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a backup point guard like C.J. Watson, Ish Smith or a Euroleague player. There also are sentimental free agency options, like a Suns return for Amar'e Stoudemire, who is interested in doing so, or a hometown career finish for Richard Jefferson.


The Suns also now have an interesting situation with four-year power forward Markieff Morris. They clearly were trying to replace him with Aldridge. They traded away his twin and best friend, Marcus, to Detroit for next to nothing to clear the cap room for a possible Aldridge deal.

Markieff also knows he might have been the player the Suns would have dealt in a sign-and-trade with Dallas for Tyson Chandler.

I mean, I guess this makes the most/only sense (except the Bargnani thing - if we sign him, I'm out). I'd be excited by a trade, but it would have to be REALLY good. I don't think we should give up too much. I also don't even know who is on the block around the league. I am, however, also really excited to see TJ play bigger minutes this year. I wish he could start every game, but I guess that's PJs spot. I just think TJ can be huge if given the opportunity. And he seems like a humble guy, so that's always refreshing.

[bigfoot]

From Coro:

The Suns still will look to add shooting, experience, frontline help and a third point guard in free agency. They will remain open to using their cache of draft picks and young talent in a trade that lands an elite player, which they acknowledge needing to reach the next tier. Until that type of deal becomes available, it appears they will tweak the roster in free agency with role players and count on maturation from their young standouts.

That could mean pursuit of a free agent power forward like Brandon Bass, Jordan Hill, Darrell Arthur or Andrea Bargnani, a wing shooter like Rasual Butler or Dorell Wright, a defensive wing like Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a backup point guard like C.J. Watson, Ish Smith or a Euroleague player. There also are sentimental free agency options, like a Suns return for Amar'e Stoudemire, who is interested in doing so, or a hometown career finish for Richard Jefferson.


The Suns also now have an interesting situation with four-year power forward Markieff Morris. They clearly were trying to replace him with Aldridge. They traded away his twin and best friend, Marcus, to Detroit for next to nothing to clear the cap room for a possible Aldridge deal.

Markieff also knows he might have been the player the Suns would have dealt in a sign-and-trade with Dallas for Tyson Chandler.

Any signings will be a one year deal or two years with the second year not guaranteed. Leaves us extra room for next year.

Not worried about Kief. If he isn't happy he will be good trade bait by Feb 2016

[SkinnyOMiller]

We need to be heavily engaged with Philly and their 10 bigs--Jerami Grant? Thompson? their new pick, Holmes? Dominos are falling--O'Quinn now gone, too. There are still half a dozen PFs I'd rather have than Leuer as our back-up--Hill, Acy, Sims, G.Davis, Bass. Heck, old guys like Scola, Boozer, Evans would be better than Leuer, I think.

I think Leuer is greatly underrated. At this point I would definitely take him in a contract year over the Return of the Walking Dead in Scola and Evans.

[AtheJ415]

Of those listed by Coro, Jordan Hill is the only one I'd be interested in. Maybe Bargnani if the price isn't too high.

[Nando88]

Ugh were gonna be going through this crap next year if we get a meeting with Durant.


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[asudevil]

Alright guys I just won't add draft picks to any trades I make up since you guys put a huge emphasis on em and make em a major sticking point. The framework of a deal would essentially be Kieff for Pau.
If you guys really think Kieff will average better than 18.5/12/2 while hovering around 50% shooting an 80% from the line, then I guess we should keep em. Hopefully next offseason we can go after yet another free agent (hopefully he starts in the All-Star game like Pau did, or make All-NBA 2nd team like Pau did).
I think I'd rather have a 35 year old Pau over a 26 year old Kieff any day of the week. I think I'd rather have a 36 year old Pau over a 27 year old Kieff any day of the week.
Oh and btw, Pau has a player option next offseason, if he decided to take it, we could go after Al Horford. Or if he decided to opt-in then the following off-season we could go after Blake Griffin or Nikola Mirotic.

You opinion is your opinion. But are going to be hard pressed convincing any fan that their rebuilding non-playoff team should be trading any youth for a 35 year old player on the downside if his career.

Markieff for Pau is a trade just to make a trade. He makes us no better this year and sets us back in the future.

[bwgood77]

From Coro:

The Suns still will look to add shooting, experience, frontline help and a third point guard in free agency. They will remain open to using their cache of draft picks and young talent in a trade that lands an elite player, which they acknowledge needing to reach the next tier. Until that type of deal becomes available, it appears they will tweak the roster in free agency with role players and count on maturation from their young standouts.

That could mean pursuit of a free agent power forward like Brandon Bass, Jordan Hill, Darrell Arthur or Andrea Bargnani, a wing shooter like Rasual Butler or Dorell Wright, a defensive wing like Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a backup point guard like C.J. Watson, Ish Smith or a Euroleague player. There also are sentimental free agency options, like a Suns return for Amar'e Stoudemire, who is interested in doing so, or a hometown career finish for Richard Jefferson.


The Suns also now have an interesting situation with four-year power forward Markieff Morris. They clearly were trying to replace him with Aldridge. They traded away his twin and best friend, Marcus, to Detroit for next to nothing to clear the cap room for a possible Aldridge deal.

Markieff also knows he might have been the player the Suns would have dealt in a sign-and-trade with Dallas for Tyson Chandler.

I'd be happy with all of their targets on maybe a one year deal except Darrell Arthur, who I thought I would like...I looked at his stats the other day and he has been slightly above or well below a 40% shooter the last two years, and for a big, that is obviously unacceptable...so if they sign him, there better be an explanation for that. I love Hill, but don't think we need him with Chandler here. Not sure about the range of Bass, but I think he'd be an ok backup for Markieff, given the options. Bargnani is interesting. I love taking flyers on guys like this. But I wouldn't give any of these guys more than 1 year. It would also make them play that much harder when they did play.

[AtheJ415]

Kieff should stay IMO. Its just a matter of rounding out the roster with the right guys and trying to establish a winning culture.

I think the very reason Kieff is still here is because we had no intention of moving him unless Aldridge committed. I don't think he leaves in a trade this offseason unless some star suddenly becomes available who we can get.

[bwgood77]

Ugh were gonna be going through this crap next year if we get a meeting with Durant.


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I will tell people right now. Please don't get your hopes up for this guy. He isn't going anywhere. If he comes to Phx, I will be happily wrong, but don't expect it and you won't be disappointed.