Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[King4Day]

Oh no, you mean Favors hasn't carried a team starring Dante Exum and Trey Burke at PG into the playoffs? Guess he's a bust

I'm pretty sure the whole universe agrees that value wise Favors >>> Bledsoe

and if UTA asking for Kieff is keeping that deal from going through, you're telling me you'd turn Favors down?

Okay.

You want the Cav's 2016 pick, cool you got it.

And Utah probably still doesn't even pick up the phone

He's not a game changer. Maybe he has the potential but if so and if you don't think our players are that great, than why would they? Anthony Davis led his mediocre team to the playoffs. Utah arguably has more talent.
Utah would hang up the phone because they have no need for a PG. And why get rid of Favors if he's elite and take back a lesser PF?

So now we're comparing Derrick Favors... to Anthony Davis. ok dude

Thanks for stating the obvious that UTA doesn't do this

It was a hypothetical deal and I **** literally just repeated that UTA probably doesn't even pick up the phone

Then you said it was a bad deal for us

Which I obviously thought was totally wrong

Sorry I'm wasn't reading deep into all these posts. I'm seeing too many ugly / unrealistic trade ideas. I'm not happy people are trying to dismantle the team and make something big happen just because Aldridge didn't pick us. We get excited and try to play GM to fix it.
I do think that deal is stripping us down too much but also don't think Utah isn't a good trade partner for us (unless they've given up on their PG rotation).
The cap space we got from Marcus is too important to blow on a guy like Seraphin

[RunDogGun]

I don't think the cap space from the Detroit trade will be much anymore. There really isn't a starter pf out there, and once we resign Knight, we will be over the cap, regardless of if we sign anyone else with that current space.

But if we do sign Knight and appear to call it over, we still have the Dragic trade exception, and all the other exceptions that comes with being over the cap, to sign smaller contracts. It's interesting that we haven't signed Knight yet, or have we, I just got up.

[JMac1]

Derrick Favors is a turd. I want no part of him!

[Kjdills13]

Suns- porzingis, Ty Lawson
Nuggets- Morris, Goodwin , 1st round pick(suns), bargs (1 year contract for cap purpose)
Knicks- Bledsoe, faried

Lawson
Knight
Tucker
Porzingis
Chandler


Mudaiy
Foy
Chandler/gally
Morris/hickson
Nurkik
But the big thing is they shed salary and start over in 2016 with over 30 mill in cap space, and extra first round pick and they can start there pg of the future. While getting an upgrade at PF with a cheaper stretch 4.

Rubio
Bledsoe
Melo
Faried

They need to find a center and if they do they will be a good team. Rubio Bledsoe and faried are all upper echelon defensive players. Around melo which he needs. If they find a way to snag a center somehow they could be a tough team to compete with in the east.

[bwgood77]

Facts:
2. The Knight / Bledsoe backcourt was pretty bad in what time the did play together. (Note: none of this time to gel stuff, Bledsoe and Goran clicked very quickly)

Goran and Bledsoe had the benefit of a full training camp to gel

Exactly what I was thinking of posting as a reply when reading it.

[bwgood77]

I really like Favors, but he couldn't play with Chandler (if you want an effective offense). He has zero range. I certainly wouldn't trade Bledsoe AND Kieff for him.

[kennydorglas]

I'd trade for Gallinari... He's 26 and I think we can manage his health issues.
He'll be a stud at 4, especially playing w/ Chandler/Len.

[aIvin adams]

i like favors but he's not worth bled and kieff. he's an upgrade over kieff. but not that big of an upgrade

[In Len We Trust]

I can't believe some of the **** that I'm reading


Favors is **** 23 years old, is a better offensive player than Markieff, a better defensive player than Markieff, and a better rebounder than Markieff. Oh yeah, and he also isn't pissed off about his twin being traded away. Markieff is a very good player and definitely a legit starting OF in this league but Favors is a STUD.

Bledsoe is a turnover machine with a pathetic brick magnet jumpshot that will never ever improve. We already have Brandon Knight and 1000000 other guards so we are in a position where we can trade him and not suffer big consequences.

There is a reason for us stashing up 1st round picks. You guys expect to use every one of them? They are fantastic TRADE ASSETS and because of our roster we do not need them as much as most other teams need them.


It would probably take Bledsoe, Keef, and 2 1st rounders to get Favors but i would do it. I don't really give 2 **** if the "value" doesn't match up even though I think it does. With Favors and Chandler/Len we have one of the best front courts in the league and long term Favors/Len would be incredible. We would be set for a long time with them. We would just need Knight/Goodwin/Warren to develop and mesh into making a fantastic starting 5.

Favors is perfect. I can't believe anyone doesn't want him.

[rsavaj]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.

1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).

Markieff>>Gallo.

I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.

I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.

Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.

[rsavaj]

I can't believe some of the **** that I'm reading


Favors is **** 23 years old, is a better offensive player than Markieff, a better defensive player than Markieff, and a better rebounder than Markieff. Oh yeah, and he also isn't pissed off about his twin being traded away. Markieff is a very good player and definitely a legit starting OF in this league but Favors is a STUD.

Bledsoe is a turnover machine with a pathetic brick magnet jumpshot that will never ever improve. We already have Brandon Knight and 1000000 other guards so we are in a position where we can trade him and not suffer big consequences.

There is a reason for us stashing up 1st round picks. You guys expect to use every one of them? They are fantastic TRADE ASSETS and because of our roster we do not need them as much as most other teams need them.


It would probably take Bledsoe, Keef, and 2 1st rounders to get Favors but i would do it. I don't really give 2 **** if the "value" doesn't match up even though I think it does. With Favors and Chandler/Len we have one of the best front courts in the league and long term Favors/Len would be incredible. We would be set for a long time with them. We would just need Knight/Goodwin/Warren to develop and mesh into making a fantastic starting 5.

Favors is perfect. I can't believe anyone doesn't want him.

I like Favors a lot but I really don't see Utah moving him. They let Milsap and Jefferson walk away, receiving no value in return, just for the chance to build around Favors.

[Mr-Al]

I can't believe some of the **** that I'm reading


Favors is **** 23 years old, is a better offensive player than Markieff, a better defensive player than Markieff, and a better rebounder than Markieff. Oh yeah, and he also isn't pissed off about his twin being traded away. Markieff is a very good player and definitely a legit starting OF in this league but Favors is a STUD.

Bledsoe is a turnover machine with a pathetic brick magnet jumpshot that will never ever improve. We already have Brandon Knight and 1000000 other guards so we are in a position where we can trade him and not suffer big consequences.

There is a reason for us stashing up 1st round picks. You guys expect to use every one of them? They are fantastic TRADE ASSETS and because of our roster we do not need them as much as most other teams need them.


It would probably take Bledsoe, Keef, and 2 1st rounders to get Favors but i would do it. I don't really give 2 **** if the "value" doesn't match up even though I think it does. With Favors and Chandler/Len we have one of the best front courts in the league and long term Favors/Len would be incredible. We would be set for a long time with them. We would just need Knight/Goodwin/Warren to develop and mesh into making a fantastic starting 5.

Favors is perfect. I can't believe anyone doesn't want him.

Finally. Oh my god, thank you.

I honestly thought all these people were trolling me, there couldn't be a way they would turn down that deal

UTA would probably just laugh at the offer, meanwhile here Bledsoe and Favors are somewhere near equal value, some people are smoking too much of their own ****

But they're serious.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Well the Aldridge stuff was fun while it lasted, obviously I wanted him like everyone else. Who knows though, it may end up being a good thing we didn't get him. Our main concern now is Kieff obviously.. Who is probably going to be the most disgruntled player in the league this coming season. I hope he can get over it. He is a solid player. Also glad we cleared up the SF position for Warren. I know this may sound ridiculous but he could be a bigger star than Aldridge some day. I've been calling it since before we drafted him, Warren looks like he can be an allstar and I believe he will be.

I'm with you on Warren. I think he can legitimately possibly turn into a top 20 player. Watching him is beautiful.

A major reason why I feel optimistic, there is solid young talent that I feel a lot of people are writing off or ignoring.

[Mr-Al]

I can't believe some of the **** that I'm reading


Favors is **** 23 years old, is a better offensive player than Markieff, a better defensive player than Markieff, and a better rebounder than Markieff. Oh yeah, and he also isn't pissed off about his twin being traded away. Markieff is a very good player and definitely a legit starting OF in this league but Favors is a STUD.

Bledsoe is a turnover machine with a pathetic brick magnet jumpshot that will never ever improve. We already have Brandon Knight and 1000000 other guards so we are in a position where we can trade him and not suffer big consequences.

There is a reason for us stashing up 1st round picks. You guys expect to use every one of them? They are fantastic TRADE ASSETS and because of our roster we do not need them as much as most other teams need them.


It would probably take Bledsoe, Keef, and 2 1st rounders to get Favors but i would do it. I don't really give 2 **** if the "value" doesn't match up even though I think it does. With Favors and Chandler/Len we have one of the best front courts in the league and long term Favors/Len would be incredible. We would be set for a long time with them. We would just need Knight/Goodwin/Warren to develop and mesh into making a fantastic starting 5.

Favors is perfect. I can't believe anyone doesn't want him.

I like Favors a lot but I really don't see Utah moving him. They let Milsap and Jefferson walk away, receiving no value in return, just for the chance to build around Favors.

Yeah no way it happens. Rumor was that they would consider it if they got Millsap back, but they were just rumors.

It was more hypothetical than anything really

[matt131]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.

1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).

Markieff>>Gallo.

I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.

I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.

Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.

I totally agree about Gallinari; if anything, I think he'd provide some good entertainment. Not sure how the rotation would/should work out with him and Markieff both on the team, but it'd definitely be interesting.


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[gaspar]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.

1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).

Markieff>>Gallo.

I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.

I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.

Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.

Nope. We would have to trade at least $4M.

Salary Cap FAQ (Q82):

Teams under the salary cap may make trades as they please, as long as they don't finish more than $100,000 above the salary cap following any trade.

[Mr-Al]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.

1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).

Markieff>>Gallo.

I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.

I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.

Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.

I completely agree. There's no hurt in seeing how well they do if we can get them without trading Markieff, especially in regards to Gallo imo, he didn't shoot all too well last season, but I think he still has something left in the tank

[JTrain]

Favors is great, but not worth dreaming about. The Jazz are a quickly improving team developing a coherent identity around young talent and smart players. Lindsey would have to fall and hit his head on the kitchen counter (very hard) to let Favors go for anything we would be offering.

[rsavaj]

I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.

1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).

Markieff>>Gallo.

I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.

I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.

Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.

Nope. We would have to trade at least $4M.

Salary Cap FAQ (Q82):

Teams under the salary cap may make trades as they please, as long as they don't finish more than $100,000 above the salary cap following any trade.

Ah, good find.

Well, if we could convince them to give up Gallo for a pick, then we could do a small sign and trade; sign Gerald to a 4M/1yr contract, send him and a first to Denver.

[Mr-Al]

Something terrible has happened

After not looking into Gallo too much the last couple years with all of his injury problems etc.

I unfortunately have looked into his stats and highlights once again

Please, please let us trade him for the assuming the cost isn't too high (keeping Kieff etc.)