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NTB wrote:Marc J. Spears
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Wizards free agent F Kevin Seraphin getting interest from Wizards, Lakers, Suns & possibly Spurs (if they lose out on D. West), source said.
RunDogGun wrote:Nash also had better shooters around him, and often was passing to a player that was finishing that pass. But he had games where he sucked and had huge numbers of turnovers. Overall, if guys can shoot better, cut more, and play less ISO ball, our assists will get better.
letsgosuns wrote:In Steve Nash's second stint with the Suns, he averaged 10.9 assists and 3.5 turnovers per game in 8 seasons. That is a 3.1 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. In Bledsoe's two seasons with the Suns so far, he has averaged 5.9 assists and 3.4 turnovers per game in 2 seasons. That is a 1.7 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Not good. Him and Nash might average about the same turnovers but Nash doubles him for assists.
But forget about statistics. Anybody watching the Suns the past two years knows that there are many times a game Bledsoe plays out of control. He often seems to lose his concentration and have mental errors where he throws lazy passes, casually dribbles, or goes way too fast. Those are bad turnovers. Being a passing point guard, you will have turnovers, it is inevitable. Especially when you are trying to be creative and taking chances. But losing focus and getting unforced turnovers like Bledsoe does is not what you want from a point guard.
Westbrook's career assist to turnover ratio is 2 to 1. However he is rarely not engaged and seems to never lose focus. He gets turnovers because he is playing at 100 mph, 100% of the time. There are times you could say he appears out of control but he is just so in your face and fast and is doing so much. You can live with his turnovers because he is giving you everything he has. When Bledsoe throws a careless pass that is picked off and he seems disengaged, that is something that is unacceptable from an effort stand point. Once in a while is not terrible, but he does it way too often. I hope he can cut down on those unforced turnovers.
Mr-Al wrote:rsavaj wrote:gaspar wrote:I really don't understand the infatuation with Gallinari.
1. He's a small forward.
2. He has an $12M expiring contract.
3. He's had some health issues every season but one.
4. He's a career 14pts/4reb/16PER player. In his best season he averaged 16 points and 5 rebounds (3 years ago).
Markieff>>Gallo.
I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.
I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.
Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.
I completely agree. There's no hurt in seeing how well they do if we can get them without trading Markieff, especially in regards to Gallo imo, he didn't shoot all too well last season, but I think he still has something left in the tank
SkinnyOMiller wrote:RunDogGun wrote:KLEON wrote:I would sign Lou Amundson and also bring in one of these players: Bass, Lee or Amare
I'd still try and get West at a cheap short deal. But I'd take Lou over Amare at this point, if I was thinking of second units. That way we could try and get offense out of Warren and Len.
West opted out of a $12 million deal, knowing he would get less money, to try and win a championship, there is no freaking way he would come to Phoenix, forget about it.
RunDogGun wrote:SkinnyOMiller wrote:RunDogGun wrote:I'd still try and get West at a cheap short deal. But I'd take Lou over Amare at this point, if I was thinking of second units. That way we could try and get offense out of Warren and Len.
West opted out of a $12 million deal, knowing he would get less money, to try and win a championship, there is no freaking way he would come to Phoenix, forget about it.
Oh, sorry, I guess he'd rather sit on the bench in the slim chance that SA wins another chip? Maybe he could do what Marion did, and watch the playoffs?
He's had injuries, so coming to the best med staff might be a choice. He's played with Chandler, and is a mentor to Warren, so there could be a connection. He could easily sign a 1+1 deal for $6.5 million. He could improve his stats here, and get healthier, and really only lose a season, but he could improve his position for another contract.
But if he is a ring chaser, then that will be that. He should go to SA, and play around 15 minutes a game, and sometimes some center.
RunDogGun wrote:
Oh, sorry, I guess he'd rather sit on the bench in the slim chance that SA wins another chip? Maybe he could do what Marion did, and watch the playoffs?
He's had injuries, so coming to the best med staff might be a choice. He's played with Chandler, and is a mentor to Warren, so there could be a connection. He could easily sign a 1+1 deal for $6.5 million. He could improve his stats here, and get healthier, and really only lose a season, but he could improve his position for another contract.
But if he is a ring chaser, then that will be that. He should go to SA, and play around 15 minutes a game, and sometimes some center.
MrMiyagi wrote:RunDogGun wrote:
Oh, sorry, I guess he'd rather sit on the bench in the slim chance that SA wins another chip? Maybe he could do what Marion did, and watch the playoffs?
He's had injuries, so coming to the best med staff might be a choice. He's played with Chandler, and is a mentor to Warren, so there could be a connection. He could easily sign a 1+1 deal for $6.5 million. He could improve his stats here, and get healthier, and really only lose a season, but he could improve his position for another contract.
But if he is a ring chaser, then that will be that. He should go to SA, and play around 15 minutes a game, and sometimes some center.
Great points Run. I think I'd rather give some money to West than someone like Seraphin. I think we're at the point where our young guys need a taste of the playoffs, even if it's as an 8th seed. I still just about everyone on our roster save PJ, Tyson and West (if we get him) have yet to play their best basketball. I think getting a taste would really motivate the young guys.
SkinnyOMiller wrote:Mr-Al wrote:rsavaj wrote:
I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo, but we have 8 million in cap space after Chandler signs. 125% rule means we have to match about 9.6 mill in salary to get Gallo back here; when you count our 8 mill in cap space, that means we'd only need to send them a 1.6-2mill player. That's Jerel McNeal! I'm not sure what the asking price is, but if you can get Gallinari for a future lotto protected first, I think it's a worthwhile gamble.
I'd make the same offer to the Pellies for Ryan Anderson, but we wouldn't even need to send any salary out, as he slides nicely into our remaining cap space.
Again, I wouldn't trade Markieff for Gallo/Anderson, but if we can get them by sending minor assets, I think it's a good idea.
I completely agree. There's no hurt in seeing how well they do if we can get them without trading Markieff, especially in regards to Gallo imo, he didn't shoot all too well last season, but I think he still has something left in the tank
Ryan Anderson would be a GREAT pickup IMO, an upgraded version of Channing Frye, a guy who has had health issues that perhaps the training staff could assist with. He's the prototypical "Stretch 4" type of player.
PG-Bledsoe
SG-Knight
SF-Tucker
PF-Anderson
C-Chandler
I would be pretty happy with that lineup.
RunDogGun wrote:If we went for Anderson, I wouldn't want to give up Markieff to get him. I would give up Luer, and McNeal and a couple picks (Cavs, and the first Miami pick).
SkinnyOMiller wrote:RunDogGun wrote:SkinnyOMiller wrote:
West opted out of a $12 million deal, knowing he would get less money, to try and win a championship, there is no freaking way he would come to Phoenix, forget about it.
Oh, sorry, I guess he'd rather sit on the bench in the slim chance that SA wins another chip? Maybe he could do what Marion did, and watch the playoffs?
He's had injuries, so coming to the best med staff might be a choice. He's played with Chandler, and is a mentor to Warren, so there could be a connection. He could easily sign a 1+1 deal for $6.5 million. He could improve his stats here, and get healthier, and really only lose a season, but he could improve his position for another contract.
But if he is a ring chaser, then that will be that. He should go to SA, and play around 15 minutes a game, and sometimes some center.
He has been very expressive about that, saying that he opted out of Indy because they weren't a championship contender and that he wanted to play for someone like Golden State or the Spurs. At this point in his career I doubt that he cares about money or playing time, he wants a ring and will go to the team that gives him the best opportunity to get one.
Regardless of the ties to Warren, I don't see any situation where he leaves one marginal playoff team to go to another. I think he's a lock for the Spurs, Cleveland or possibly the Warriors.
KLEON wrote:SkinnyOMiller wrote:Mr-Al wrote:
I completely agree. There's no hurt in seeing how well they do if we can get them without trading Markieff, especially in regards to Gallo imo, he didn't shoot all too well last season, but I think he still has something left in the tank
Ryan Anderson would be a GREAT pickup IMO, an upgraded version of Channing Frye, a guy who has had health issues that perhaps the training staff could assist with. He's the prototypical "Stretch 4" type of player.
PG-Bledsoe
SG-Knight
SF-Tucker
PF-Anderson
C-Chandler
I would be pretty happy with that lineup.
For years I've always wanted him here but with Gentry there now I don't think we stand a chance
During Frye's time in Phoenix, Steve Nash was the center of the Suns' universe. Let the 2-time MVP break down the defense and find the wide open man. The only requirement of his teammates was that they be adept at spacing the floor.
Well, the New Orleans offense isn't going to run in similar manner. Since his days in Phoenix, Gentry has been all about ball movement and motion. During his time with the Clippers and Warriors, both teams finished first in secondary assists per game. The number of passes per game were always higher when Alvin sat on that particular team's bench.
The power forwards on both of those teams? Blake Griffin and Draymond Green. Two versatile and dynamic players that are nearly polar opposites of Ryan Anderson.
If Anderson is a mismatch for the Gentry's ideal power forward, those duties will vastly fall on Anthony Davis. (As an aside, Gentry had vowed he was going to keep AD at the 4 for most of the time anyways.) Thus, Ryan Anderson will play the 5 a lot. Great, more floor spacing for everyone!
Not so fast.
Gentry's bread and butter is employing a version of the Princeton offense. In case you're not familiar with the terminology, it refers to a basketball strategy that utilizes team movement through a variety of cuts, passes and picks. It is preferred that all five players on the court be above average in dribbling, shooting and passing, but it is obviously not a requirement. One only needs to have a look at the centers on Gentry's last few teams: Andrew Bogut and DeAndre Jordan.
How does Anderson compare at the 5?
PPG per 36 3PA per 36 AST % DREB % Defensive Rating OPP FG% at rim
Andrew Bogut 9.6 0 15.4% 26.5% 95.2 41.4%
DeAndre Jordan 12.1 0 3.2% 32.4% 103.1 48.5%
Ryan Anderson 17.9 7.7 5.4% 12.7% 108.7 55.4%
Omer Asik 10.1 0 5.4% 28.8% 103.3 51.1%
As the numbers above indicate, it's not mandatory for the 5 to be an offensive threat. This is one of the areas where you'll witness the biggest differences between Gentry and Mike D'Antoni. As to where 7 seconds or less functioned best with 5 genuine offensive threats, Gentry's system doesn't require it. In fact, it prefers to have one individual responsible to be the team's anchor on defense and on the glass.
Following the departure of Amar'e Stoudemire, Gentry had the option of starting Channing Frye at center and Hakim Warrik at PF. Many believed he would go this route; however, he ended up rolling with Robin Lopez before the Suns eventually traded for Marcin Gortat.
SkinnyOMiller wrote:KLEON wrote:SkinnyOMiller wrote:
Ryan Anderson would be a GREAT pickup IMO, an upgraded version of Channing Frye, a guy who has had health issues that perhaps the training staff could assist with. He's the prototypical "Stretch 4" type of player.
PG-Bledsoe
SG-Knight
SF-Tucker
PF-Anderson
C-Chandler
I would be pretty happy with that lineup.
For years I've always wanted him here but with Gentry there now I don't think we stand a chance
People think that way because of Gentry's history with Frye but I don't agree. With Davis supposedly extending his range, with the amount of money that they just gave Asik, I think Anderson becomes expendable. Davis has the 4 locked down, Gentry will play Asik at the 5 which makes Anderson a pricy guy to come off the bench for them. If they get a decent offer, I think they let him go and take something for him rather than getting nothing when he becomes a free agent.
During Frye's time in Phoenix, Steve Nash was the center of the Suns' universe. Let the 2-time MVP break down the defense and find the wide open man. The only requirement of his teammates was that they be adept at spacing the floor.
Well, the New Orleans offense isn't going to run in similar manner. Since his days in Phoenix, Gentry has been all about ball movement and motion. During his time with the Clippers and Warriors, both teams finished first in secondary assists per game. The number of passes per game were always higher when Alvin sat on that particular team's bench.
The power forwards on both of those teams? Blake Griffin and Draymond Green. Two versatile and dynamic players that are nearly polar opposites of Ryan Anderson.
http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2015/7/2/8881385/on-second-thought-ryan-anderson-is-living-on-borrowed-timeIf Anderson is a mismatch for the Gentry's ideal power forward, those duties will vastly fall on Anthony Davis. (As an aside, Gentry had vowed he was going to keep AD at the 4 for most of the time anyways.) Thus, Ryan Anderson will play the 5 a lot. Great, more floor spacing for everyone!
Not so fast.
Gentry's bread and butter is employing a version of the Princeton offense. In case you're not familiar with the terminology, it refers to a basketball strategy that utilizes team movement through a variety of cuts, passes and picks. It is preferred that all five players on the court be above average in dribbling, shooting and passing, but it is obviously not a requirement. One only needs to have a look at the centers on Gentry's last few teams: Andrew Bogut and DeAndre Jordan.
How does Anderson compare at the 5?
PPG per 36 3PA per 36 AST % DREB % Defensive Rating OPP FG% at rim
Andrew Bogut 9.6 0 15.4% 26.5% 95.2 41.4%
DeAndre Jordan 12.1 0 3.2% 32.4% 103.1 48.5%
Ryan Anderson 17.9 7.7 5.4% 12.7% 108.7 55.4%
Omer Asik 10.1 0 5.4% 28.8% 103.3 51.1%
As the numbers above indicate, it's not mandatory for the 5 to be an offensive threat. This is one of the areas where you'll witness the biggest differences between Gentry and Mike D'Antoni. As to where 7 seconds or less functioned best with 5 genuine offensive threats, Gentry's system doesn't require it. In fact, it prefers to have one individual responsible to be the team's anchor on defense and on the glass.
Following the departure of Amar'e Stoudemire, Gentry had the option of starting Channing Frye at center and Hakim Warrik at PF. Many believed he would go this route; however, he ended up rolling with Robin Lopez before the Suns eventually traded for Marcin Gortat.
However, an 82 regular season game schedule requires better adaptability, hence why the New Orleans organization handed out a large contract to Omer Asik. In Gentry's recent stops, it's not that we learned small ball is the ultimate goal but rather his strategies work best when a team has complementary parts.
Sorry folks, but Asik brings more to our table than Anderson. Ryan Anderson's shooting can be more readily replaced with Davis' newly found prowess, Luke Babbitt or a combination of other players. The Pelicans still have to rebound the basketball well and deter plenty of shots in the paint area.
lilfishi22 wrote:Looks like Josh Smith is still available. Is our system too open for him to succeed?