Reggie Jackson signs a 5 yr/ 80 million deal with the Pistons

[Revived]

I'm confused. Why is it consensus that this is a bad deal?

Mostly because whenever the Pistons sign players to big deals in recent years, its turned into really bad ideas.

I remember arguing with 2 Pistons fans that the Josh Smith signing was bad and they tried to tell me I know nothing and that Josh Smith will be good for the Pistons and that Smith-Monroe-Drummond front court will work just fine etc.

I'm not saying this is as bad as that one but if your wondering why there are skeptics, its because the Pistons have done a terrible job with cap space and big contracts over the years.

Another point of view:

Do you think decisions (such as big contracts) are made by organizations or people? This is the first big contract handed out by SVG, Bower, and his new staff. Are you really going to blame Josh Smith, Villanueva, Ben Gordon, etc. on THESE guys?

This deal could suck and it could be awesome. I love Reggie, but that's a lot of money. It's just that your reasoning here sucks.

Its not the reasoning for my opinion, I'm saying it could be reasoning for others.

I know people who roll their when reading "Pistons sign...." before even reading the duration of the contract and who they signed because they assume its a bad signing since the Pistons are doing it. So you can only imagine the reaction to why Reggie Jackson getting a max contract is gonna get the type of reaction it has gotten from the people in this thread.

[Fast Dont Fib]

Building mediocrity.

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Nope, Drummond will progress, Reggie will progress, and Stanley will progress.

Progress is never a guarantee. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Here's to hoping.

[Navas]

Knight's (Which is major lulz) and Dragic's deals set the market for PGs this year.

Jackson did well his last 20 or so games here, now that he's got what he needs (Preseason, camp, money to burn), let's see if he can live up to it.

And I'm shocked that people would rather Knight over Jackson. Knight is inconsistent, lacks the iq needed for a PG, and has a bunch of other flaws that have been stated here. Only time Knight has looked good was whenever he plays Kyrie Irving.

How is that different from Reggie? The guy is about as inconsistent as it gets and makes dumb decisions quite often.

His last 20 games he was averaging 10 assists along with being a triple-double threat towards the end of the season, something which Knight has never done. Knight is nowhere near the player Jackson is unless he's playing Kyrie Irving.

And for the record, I don't think he, Knight, or Dragic are worth those contracts, but expanding cap next year makes it moot.

[MoneyTalks41890]

For the record RJ is almost 25. It's not like he's just scratching the surface.

[princeofpalace]

For the record RJ is almost 25. It's not like he's just scratching the surface.

He turned 25 in April

[Scout Taron]

Basically, it's a huge risk. But it's a risk the Pistons need to take with how their team is currently structured. If he lives up even close to how he did with Monroe out, then this will be a bargain. If it was a just a fluke, the Pistons are now in a really bad spot. Had to be done, and we'll see how it works out.

[ratul]

expensive in the short-term, probably reasonable in the long-term. He is worth 11mn now, but 11 will mean 16 in like a couple of years.

[NickAnderson]

Was does everyone complain about overpaying? This is the norm

[ComboGuardCity]

DJ Augustin as starting PG in 14 games: 18 points/8 assists/3 boards/3TOs on 45% FG, 40% from 3, 94% FT in 35mpg
Jennings post Josh Smith- in 16 games: 20 points/7 assists/2 boards/2 TOs on 44% FG, 40% from 3, 82% FT in 28mpg

Every PG Van Gundy started last year put up good numbers- Jackson is no exception. Jackson is the epitome of an average starting PG and SVG could plug in any number of guys at point and they would have similiar production IMO.

That said, players are being highly overpaid and RJ is no exception. Worst comes to worst, he's moveable. And as Pistons learned with Monroe, better to pay your RFA then lose him as a UFA

Jennings and Jackson put up those numbers after going through a full training camp and half season within the System. A major discrepancy not mentioned.


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[BarnabyJones]

He's making the same type of money as John Wall.

[tmorgan]

He's making the same type of money as John Wall.

And he's making way more than Steph Curry!!!! Pointless.

You'll be giving Wall 25 mil a year as soon as his contract is up.

[HotelVitale]

IM sorry people were telling me to "watch" David Lee, DaJaun Wagner, and Samuel Dalembert for years. Numbers "of" production proved more viable. Some people in this thread have made outlandish statements.

I'm not a Pistons fan but as a stat-watcher I can back up that Jackson's advanced numbers from last year probably aren't that telling. First, his VORP and +/- and other catch-all stats are low mostly because of defense, and that's measured almost entirely on a team basis by those stats. The Pistons were a gigantic defensive mess last season so you can suspend a lot of that. Doesn't mean he's awesome but it doesn't seem reliable enough to make an overall judgment about him.

Second, the sample size with DET was really small and it was skewed by a brief but rough adjustment period. If you set aside the first 5 games Jackson played for DET--when he was really bad--his numbers are significantly better. His averages are more like 18/10 and his FG% is more like 46% (about 53-5% TS). Again, I'm not saying he's incredible and we should all shut up and bow down, just that I think the Pistons fans have a good point here.

For the record RJ is almost 25. It's not like he's just scratching the surface.

Numbers like 18/10 on 55% TS aren't those of someone scratching the surface, though. Especially compared to, say, B Knight's 17/5 on 54% TS. If he can keep that up, those are terrific numbers for a starting PG in his prime.

[tmorgan]

Also, please stop calling 5/80 a max contract. It isn't. Kawhi got a max five year contract (5/90), Davis got a max five year contract that kicks in in a year (with escalators), but this isn't a max contract... it's just a ton of money.

[rmfc]

Great signing for Detroit. The criticism is proof that most of you have no idea what you're looking at. Great size, strength, explosiveness. Needs to continue working on his jumper but there's nothing wrong with his shot, he just needs to put in the reps. Top 10 PG right now.

And this includes a few Pistons fans as well. Not surprising, really. These days, some people are fans of players....not teams and their biases clearly show.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Don't understand the direction of the Pistons.

[BIG_controversy]

If he's commanding that type of money, undeservedly so...I can clearly see why OKC traded him. It's a shame that slightly above avg players think they are worth 10-18 mil (Carroll, R. Jackson, T. Thompson, etc...)

[tmorgan]

Don't understand the direction of the Pistons.

You can not like it, you can doubt it, but if you don't "understand it", you just aren't very knowledgeable.

SVG: 1 in, 4 out. P&R. Shooters on the wings.

It's really, really simple.

[GQ Hot Dog]

It's a shame that slightly above avg players think they are worth 10-18 mil (Carroll, R. Jackson, T. Thompson, etc...)

I don't think you mean this. The market allows these guys to get paid whatever the market will bear.

If you were an NBA player and your agent was able to negotiate a $16mil a year contract and you had some sort of subjective idea that you were only a slightly above avg player, you would tell him "Nope, that's too much, I'm only worth $9mil max..."???

The owners charge whatever they can get away with for tickets, the league charges whatever billions they can from the TV networks, you pay $15 for a beer and $7 for a hot dog, but somehow when Reggie Jackson gets $16 mil per season he's being greedy and it's a "shame" as you say?

I just don't understand the reflexive hatred for these guys who are the only reason any of us pay any attention to this whole industry.

[DETermination]

Don't understand the direction of the Pistons.

You can not like it, you can doubt it, but if you don't "understand it", you just aren't very knowledgeable.

SVG: 1 in, 4 out. P&R. Shooters on the wings.

It's really, really simple.

Not too hard to understand. The team is built around Drummond and Reggie with a lot of shooting around them.

[BIG_controversy]

It's a shame that slightly above avg players think they are worth 10-18 mil (Carroll, R. Jackson, T. Thompson, etc...)

I don't think you mean this. The market allows these guys to get paid whatever the market will bear.

If you were an NBA player and your agent was able to negotiate a $16mil a year contract and you had some sort of subjective idea that you were only a slightly above avg player, you would tell him "Nope, that's too much, I'm only worth $9mil max..."???

The owners charge whatever they can get away with for tickets, the league charges whatever billions they can from the TV networks, you pay $15 for a beer and $7 for a hot dog, but somehow when Reggie Jackson gets $16 mil per season he's being greedy and it's a "shame" as you say?

I just don't understand the reflexive hatred for these guys who are the only reason any of us pay any attention to this whole industry.

The Reggie Jackson's of the world is why the NBA owners strike...they give out bad contracts left & right. All Stars should make 15 mil plus not Reggie f'n Jackson