Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[Cutter]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

I would fall over dead if McD did that. I can't imagine Len going anywhere for at least the next few years.

[Saberestar]

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He's not a bad player that Hamilton - he had some good games for the Wolves when they were banged up last season.

Not a starter but he could be a 20-25min guy with his size and shooting touch.

Look when he got minutes last year:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilju01/gamelog/2015/#pgl_basic::9

11 games playing at least 28min, averaging 11.4pts 6.3reb 2.3ast 1.4stl 1.3blk 0.5 3s and 50/76 shooting splits. Very active...Of course the Wolves only won ONE of those 11 games! But they landed the top pick

Leuer and him have a similar skill set. Good shooters for his size, below average defenders.
I don't know if I want Justin Hamilton with Leuer on the team already.

[bigfoot]

Really hope Len has improved his shooting and footwork. I want to see

Bledsoe
Knight
Tucker
Len
Chandler

This could be a killer defensive lineup. Also rebounding would not be a problem at all. Chandler is a very good at diving to the basket on the pick-n-roll and shoots a very high percentage. Len, Tucker, and Knight stretching the floor would make a lot of room for Bledsoe to operate.

Knight/Bledsoe
Goodwin/Booker
Warren
Kief
???

Would be the start of the bench mob. Obviously we still need a backup center and backup shooting guard. I'd hope Goodwin or Booker could handle it but they need to be able to hit the three so that Warren and Kief can operate down low.

[bigfoot]

Also, we are going to need a decent backup PF in case there is a long suspension for Kief on the felony assault charges. Griner got a 7 game suspension out of a 34 game WNBA season. Suns had better be prepared for this possibility.

[carey]

Leuer and him have a similar skill set. Good shooters for his size, below average defenders.
I don't know if I want Justin Hamilton with Leuer on the team already.

Exactly. Although I think Hamilton is better, I'm fine sticking with Leuer.

[NavLDO]

Also, we are going to need a decent backup PF in case there is a long suspension for Kief on the felony assault charges. Griner got a 7 game suspension out of a 34 game WNBA season. Suns had better be prepared for this possibility.

I wholeheartedly agree. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see Horny play Tucker at the 4, and start Warren at the 3 for those games. OR, if Len can actually play some 4, have him play some minutes there as well--the problem being if he got hurt, we'd have to sign some scrub big or make a trade, being from a desperate situation never bodes well. But I agree, we need to sign a guy that can play some starter minutes at the 4, and better to do so now before they all get 'scooped' up. We're scraping the 'bottom of the barrel' as it is...

[Mulhollanddrive]

If the improvement in the team relies on Alex Len making 18 footers, we're in trouble.

I still think McDonough will trade Tucker and Morris. They're the only 2 players yet to be moved on by McDonough, they're the 2 offenders left in terms of team behaviours, and don't fit the shooting wing and rebounding big that he talked about needing more of.

With the Chandler move, it's too compromised now to rebuild, so you're either rebuilding or contending. I say we try to get Gallinari and Lee (if they can fit in cap) and make a run. 5 Borderline All-Stars and a young high ceiling bench (Goodwin, Booker, Warren, Len), and add a couple of vets like the contenders do and you have something.

[Mr-Al]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

Yeah, that 33 year old makes sure makes Len expendable

That was the dumbest thing I've ever read

Sullinger and picks? What in God's name are you smoking

[SkinnyOMiller]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

I certainly hope not, the Suns have finally drafted a talented young center, I don't want to see him go anywhere. I remember the days of Hot Rod Williams and Luc Longley and I shudder.

[TASTIC]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

Yeah, that 33 year old makes sure makes Len expendable

That was the dumbest thing I've ever read

Sullinger and picks? What in God's name are you smoking

Calm down - I said IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME.

You need to read more if that's the dumbest thing you've ever read.

Jeez some people are over-reacting a bit here. Len will be a good starting C, but some people are ready to anoint him a top 10 C in this league, when he isn't close to that - yet.

[DRK]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

Highly doubt it. Len and TJ are the future of this team. Len was a revelation last season, and McD would be stupid to move him now IMO. Skilled and mobile 7 foot big men dont grow on trees.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if McD pulled a trade like that. Sullinger is a legit starting 4 in this league...He'd also fit perfectly alongside Chandler and it would allow us to keep Kieff as 6th man, or trade him later for wing help.

I really feel for Len, he's busted his arse and when healthy showed he's a double double guy who's shown he can be an elite shot-blocker in this league, then we set his development (and confidence most likely) right back.

If anything bringing in Chandler would help Len and maybe even give him some confidence. Len up against Chandler every day in practise would be amazing for his development. Who was Len practising against last season? Earl Barron?

I can see McD saying to Len, "Look we believe in you, and we're bringing in a mentor here to make sure your development is elite."
Len is still getting 25 minutes per game no matter what IMO.

[Mr-Al]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

I would fall over dead if McD did that. I can't imagine Len going anywhere for at least the next few years.

We don't have to worry about that, even Lance Blanks on his worse day wouldn't be that stupid

[bwgood77]

see, this is maybe the greatest time of the year, i can see a pj tucker trade because we can now insult a young stud into the starting line up. warren should start!

insult? Or insert?

[Mr-Al]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

Highly doubt it. Len and TJ are the future of this team. Len was a revelation last season, and McD would be stupid to move him now IMO. Skilled and mobile 7 foot big men dont grow on trees.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if McD pulled a trade like that. Sullinger is a legit starting 4 in this league...He'd also fit perfectly alongside Chandler and it would allow us to keep Kieff as 6th man, or trade him later for wing help.

I really feel for Len, he's busted his arse and when healthy showed he's a double double guy who's shown he can be an elite shot-blocker in this league, then we set his development (and confidence most likely) right back.

And yet in spite of all that, Len for Sullinger, regardless of any picks, would be a terrible, terrible, terrible trade.

Kieff + a pick for Sullinger, sure, that's logical. Sullinger still has some good potential

If you wouldn't be surprised that McD would do that, then you think McD is an idiot

Even if Sullinger was completely healthy, didn't have numerous medical red flags, weight issues, and back problems , that trade would still make me vomit

The whole fact that you think the Chandler signing makes trades with Len more feasible is the real issue

Any GM who gives up on such a naturally talented, long, and agile 7'1" player so early in their career for a player like Sullinger deserves never to make another basketball decision ever again

Boston would think we're trolling them

[DRK]

I don't know why but I feel McD sees Len as tradeable now.

Like it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was shipped to the Celtics for like Sullinger and a pick or two...

Yeah, that 33 year old makes sure makes Len expendable

That was the dumbest thing I've ever read

Sullinger and picks? What in God's name are you smoking

Calm down - I said IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME.

You need to read more if that's the dumbest thing you've ever read.

Jeez some people are over-reacting a bit here. Len will be a good starting C, but some people are ready to anoint him a top 10 C in this league, when he isn't close to that - yet.

Screw you and your negativity. It's posts like this on this forum that DISGUST me.
Gosh the negativity on this board is ridiculous. Go jump off a bridge if you're so fed up with life.

/sarcasm

[TASTIC]

Highly doubt it. Len and TJ are the future of this team. Len was a revelation last season, and McD would be stupid to move him now IMO. Skilled and mobile 7 foot big men dont grow on trees.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if McD pulled a trade like that. Sullinger is a legit starting 4 in this league...He'd also fit perfectly alongside Chandler and it would allow us to keep Kieff as 6th man, or trade him later for wing help.

I really feel for Len, he's busted his arse and when healthy showed he's a double double guy who's shown he can be an elite shot-blocker in this league, then we set his development (and confidence most likely) right back.

And yet in spite of all that, Len for Sullinger, regardless of any picks, would be a terrible, terrible, terrible trade.

Kieff + a pick for Sullinger, sure, that's logical. Sullinger still has some good potential

If you wouldn't be surprised that McD would do that, then you think McD is an idiot

Even if Sullinger was completely healthy, didn't have numerous medical red flags, weight issues, and back problems , that trade would still make me vomit

The whole fact that you think the Chandler signing makes trades with Len more feasible is the real issue

Any GM who gives up on such a naturally talented, long, and agile 7'1" player so early in their career for a player like Sullinger deserves never to make another basketball decision ever again

Boston would think we're trolling them

Hold up - you'd be fine trading Kieff AND a pick for Sully? Despite all the issues you listed? We've got Kieff locked up on a deal that's HALF what Reggie Jackson is getting paid, we don't have to trade him anywhere, and certainly not for a guy who hasn't shown he's an upgrade over Kieff.

I'm curious what people think about Len's trade value is, because he CAN be traded. Regardless of whether you think he should, he could be traded at any point.

I was bullish on Robin Lopez early on as well, and he's turned out to be a pretty decent starting C.

I'm more optimistic with Len than I was with RoLo, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him if the right deal came along.

Who does everyone hold in higher value out of these guys? Essentially if that team rung up and said 1 for 1, would you trade them RIGHT now for Len?

Bradley Beal
Rudy Gobert
Jusuf Nurkic
Jonas Valanciunas
Nikola Mirotic
Enes Kanter
Jared Sullinger
Andrew Wiggins
Nerlens Noel
Ben McLemore
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jabari Parker

There's 11 guys who are 22 or under and Mirotic (23). The guys in bold, I WOULD trade Len for, straight up 1 for 1. The others I think have similar value - except Kanter is going to lose that when he gets cashed up, and Jonas is also overpaid as of now.

Whether the other team would isn't the question, I just want to know who people value Len around, compared to other 22 and under type guys.

I didn't list some obvious guys like Davis, Kyrie, Oladipo and Drummond...

[Mr-Al]

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if McD pulled a trade like that. Sullinger is a legit starting 4 in this league...He'd also fit perfectly alongside Chandler and it would allow us to keep Kieff as 6th man, or trade him later for wing help.

I really feel for Len, he's busted his arse and when healthy showed he's a double double guy who's shown he can be an elite shot-blocker in this league, then we set his development (and confidence most likely) right back.

And yet in spite of all that, Len for Sullinger, regardless of any picks, would be a terrible, terrible, terrible trade.

Kieff + a pick for Sullinger, sure, that's logical. Sullinger still has some good potential

If you wouldn't be surprised that McD would do that, then you think McD is an idiot

Even if Sullinger was completely healthy, didn't have numerous medical red flags, weight issues, and back problems , that trade would still make me vomit

The whole fact that you think the Chandler signing makes trades with Len more feasible is the real issue

Any GM who gives up on such a naturally talented, long, and agile 7'1" player so early in their career for a player like Sullinger deserves never to make another basketball decision ever again

Boston would think we're trolling them

Hold up - you'd be fine trading Kieff AND a pick for Sully? Despite all the issues you listed? We've got Kieff locked up on a deal that's HALF what Reggie Jackson is getting paid, we don't have to trade him anywhere, and certainly not for a guy who hasn't shown he's an upgrade over Kieff.

I'm curious what people think about Len's trade value is, because he CAN be traded. Regardless of whether you think he should, he could be traded at any point.

I was bullish on Robin Lopez early on as well, and he's turned out to be a pretty decent starting C.

I'm more optimistic with Len than I was with RoLo, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him if the right deal came along.

Who does everyone hold in higher value out of these guys? Essentially if that team rung up and said 1 for 1, would you trade them RIGHT now for Len?

Bradley Beal
Rudy Gobert
Jusuf Nurkic
Jonas Valanciunas
Nikola Mirotic
Enes Kanter
Jared Sullinger
Andrew Wiggins
Nerlens Noel
Ben McLemore
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jabari Parker

There's 11 guys who are 22 or under and Mirotic (23). The guys in bold, I WOULD trade Len for, straight up 1 for 1. The others I think have similar value - except Kanter is going to lose that when he gets cashed up, and Jonas is also overpaid as of now.

Whether the other team would isn't the question, I just want to know who people value Len around, compared to other 22 and under type guys.

I didn't list some obvious guys like Davis, Kyrie, Oladipo and Drummond...

You keep repeating the same thing, the issue I have isn't that I think Len should be untouchable

The issue is that you or your **** projection of McD's mind or whatever would consider Sullinger being a viable return

Giving up on Len's great potential for Jared "I'm so **** fat and my back hurts so much that I can't get off the couch" Sullinger

That's the issue

[JTrain]

The Chandler mentoring Len narrative is fun and all, but the only issue is that there isn't good evidence to support Chandler having this type of impact. I went back and looked at the last few years, and Alexis Ajinca was the only young center out of six that showed significant improvement after playing with Chandler. And even then, he was only on the team for half the season.

[TASTIC]

And yet in spite of all that, Len for Sullinger, regardless of any picks, would be a terrible, terrible, terrible trade.

Kieff + a pick for Sullinger, sure, that's logical. Sullinger still has some good potential

If you wouldn't be surprised that McD would do that, then you think McD is an idiot

Even if Sullinger was completely healthy, didn't have numerous medical red flags, weight issues, and back problems , that trade would still make me vomit

The whole fact that you think the Chandler signing makes trades with Len more feasible is the real issue

Any GM who gives up on such a naturally talented, long, and agile 7'1" player so early in their career for a player like Sullinger deserves never to make another basketball decision ever again

Boston would think we're trolling them

Hold up - you'd be fine trading Kieff AND a pick for Sully? Despite all the issues you listed? We've got Kieff locked up on a deal that's HALF what Reggie Jackson is getting paid, we don't have to trade him anywhere, and certainly not for a guy who hasn't shown he's an upgrade over Kieff.

I'm curious what people think about Len's trade value is, because he CAN be traded. Regardless of whether you think he should, he could be traded at any point.

I was bullish on Robin Lopez early on as well, and he's turned out to be a pretty decent starting C.

I'm more optimistic with Len than I was with RoLo, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him if the right deal came along.

Who does everyone hold in higher value out of these guys? Essentially if that team rung up and said 1 for 1, would you trade them RIGHT now for Len?

Bradley Beal
Rudy Gobert
Jusuf Nurkic
Jonas Valanciunas
Nikola Mirotic
Enes Kanter
Jared Sullinger
Andrew Wiggins
Nerlens Noel
Ben McLemore
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jabari Parker

There's 11 guys who are 22 or under and Mirotic (23). The guys in bold, I WOULD trade Len for, straight up 1 for 1. The others I think have similar value - except Kanter is going to lose that when he gets cashed up, and Jonas is also overpaid as of now.

Whether the other team would isn't the question, I just want to know who people value Len around, compared to other 22 and under type guys.

I didn't list some obvious guys like Davis, Kyrie, Oladipo and Drummond...

You keep repeating the same thing, the issue I have isn't that I think Len should be untouchable

The issue is that you or your **** projection of McD's mind or whatever would consider Sullinger being a viable return

Giving up on Len's great potential for Jared "I'm so **** fat and my back hurts so much that I can't get off the couch" Sullinger

That's the issue

People can have more than one point, so quit dancing round my question cos I want to know what YOU think Len's value is. You've said he's "such a naturally talented, long, and agile 7'1" player", so how high do you value that?

I've shown where I think he rates, now enlighten me with yours please...

And come on - you're telling me Ainge rings McD and says 'Sullinger and 3x 1sts, you pick which ones' - you'd say no? He apparently offered 6x 1sts for Kaminsky!!

[Mr-Al]

Ugh people acting as if 22 year old Len is a finished product. It's not even worth talking about

everyone just needs to shut up and wait till he like 25, then any criticism would be valid