Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[BobbieL]

This board is super obsessed with Ryan Anderson and trying to find ways to trade Markieff lol. SMH

I am not obsessed with Ryan Anderson. I am on the camp of dumping Kieff. I just don't trust him on the roster. Yes, he is a good solid player who should get better. His contract is very reasonable. But just want all the bad out of the locker room.

And if you can trade him for Ryan Anderson or even Frye - I think I do it at this point.

I just don't want Ryan to waste that cap space. Granted, they don't have to sign Brandon Knight on July 9 but this is the time to get things done

[saintEscaton]

Well trotting out Leuer as our starting 4 could be a lineup change that singlehandedly propels our chances at starting up the tank

[thamadkant]

Spurs losing Joseph and Bellineli are huge negatives though. As they were critical in providing perimeter offense.

I can understand the Spurs hate..
But to be honest they are joyful to watch, if you simply love basketball, Spurs are beautiful in their execution.
I rather watch that than Lebron one on one and 4 guys creating space for him to drive, its effective but its simple and highly reliance on an individual's ability.
Warriors is nice to watch, but when they are bricking shots, absolutely horrid. When putting on a clinic on ball rotation around the perimeter for "swish" shots, absolutely awesome though.

And people calling out other people for having different opinions in here is really tiresome, because its a forum where any fans should be able to come in and chime in their 2 cents. Everyone should have their opinions heard in here, ideally you reply with your opinions on the subject matter as reply rather than completely dismissive and in attack-mode.

[jredsaz]

If we replace Kieff with a quality stretch 4 in the starting lineup we will compete for a playoff spot. It is all about Horys system.

[Kjdills13]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oes9xg6
SUNS also send a first to the kings
Suns

Collision/Goodwin
Knight/Booker
Deng/Warren
Bosh/Lauer
Chandler/Len

That's a solid team, could compete with anyone in the league at the PF/C POSITION, then arguable one of the best young benches in the NBA.


Heat

dragic
Wade
tucker
Haslem
Cousins

Next summer they then can sell durant or love on joining the, to create a big 4 with cousins and dragic under contract and cousins being 7 less a year than bosh it opens up more cap space.


Kings

Choose Carl over cousins however still get back a border line all star pg, and a young PF but they also get an unprotected first from the Suns.

[saintEscaton]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oes9xg6
SUNS also send a first to the kings
Suns

Collision/Goodwin
Knight/Booker
Deng/Warren
Bosh/Lauer
Chandler/Len

That's a solid team, could compete with anyone in the league at the PF/C POSITION, then arguable one of the best young benches in the NBA.


Heat

dragic
Wade
tucker
Haslem
Cousins

Next summer they then can sell durant or love on joining the, to create a big 4 with cousins and dragic under contract and cousins being 7 less a year than bosh it opens up more cap space.


Kings

Choose Carl over cousins however still get back a border line all star pg, and a young PF but they also get an unprotected first from the Suns.

That might be the most outrageous threeway proposition ever. (pardon the innuendo). But the numbers somehow work!

[Revived]

If Suns want a 3 pt chucker at the 4 so badly, rather than give up assets for Anderson, why not just sign Mirza Teletovic outright?

[bwgood77]

If Suns want a 3 pt chucker at the 4 so badly, rather than give up assets for Anderson, why not just sign Mirza Teletovic outright?

Is he any good?

[Walt_Uoob]

Actually I didn't realize Teletovic was available and wouldn't be against bringing him in with our cap space. He's pretty similar to Ryan Anderson anyway.

[Walt_Uoob]

I had Teletovic on a fantasy team last year so I watched a few games of his. He's very streaky and SF88 is right, he's a chucker, but his shooting form looks really good and he rebounds okay.

[tgtm_24]

Doesn't Teletovic still have a heart condition?

[BobbieL]

If we replace Kieff with a quality stretch 4 in the starting lineup we will compete for a playoff spot. It is all about Horys system.

I think its also about rounding out the roster:
back up PG
a backup 4 like Amare
back up shooting guard like Mo Williams

I think this team next year will be better without the turmoil of the three guard rotation that didn't work; guys like Thomas and Mook Morris not in the locker room and the addition of Chandler in the locker room and on the court. Gambo is not realizing the value Tyson Chandler brings. I think he brings great value to the court - anytime you can rebound, defend and get extra possession on the offensive glass - that is huge. And when you look at RoLo get 54/4; Jordan getting 80/4 and Chandler - I get he is older but I would definetly take him over RoLo. As for Jordan, if you can't be on the court the last 6 minutes of a game - you lose value in my book for what he is getting paid. I know Howard is making a boat load too but Deandre was in the right role in LA. I don't see him as option number 1 on offense.

Ryan has a couple days until July 9 - hopefully can maximize that 8m of cap space as the only way to use it is before signing Knight.

[bwgood77]

:rofl2:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oes9xg6
SUNS also send a first to the kings
Suns

Collision/Goodwin
Knight/Booker
Deng/Warren
Bosh/Lauer
Chandler/Len

That's a solid team, could compete with anyone in the league at the PF/C POSITION, then arguable one of the best young benches in the NBA.


Heat

dragic
Wade
tucker
Haslem
Cousins

Next summer they then can sell durant or love on joining the, to create a big 4 with cousins and dragic under contract and cousins being 7 less a year than bosh it opens up more cap space.


Kings

Choose Carl over cousins however still get back a border line all star pg, and a young PF but they also get an unprotected first from the Suns.

That might be the most outrageous threeway proposition ever. (pardon the innuendo). But the numbers somehow work!

Even though I don't think the Kings will trade Cousins, or the Heat will trade Bosh, if Bosh is healthy, I think it's a pretty good and even trade if Bosh is healthy. The only thing I'd adjust is the Heat should be sending out an unprotected pick, 2019 pick? And ours would have to be protected, though I don't think it would matter if Bosh stayed healthy.

I don't know if it totally makes sense for us though, because Deng is on the serious downside of his career and Bosh is getting up there in age. I don't know if I'd start Collison, but if he was a good shooter, I guess it could be ok.

I don't see it having a chance of happening, but it's a pretty fair trade.

[PassWarden]

Not to jump on the San Antonio hate train or anything, but has there ever been a sports franchise that has had virtually everything go their way? I mean, they've had 1 bad year in 25 years. And that just so happens to be the year of Duncan. I don't even hate them, I envy them. It's got to be so nice to be a fan of such a well run and well respected organization.

[RunDogGun]

Not to jump on the San Antonio hate train or anything, but has there ever been a sports franchise that has had virtually everything go their way? I mean, they've had 1 bad year in 25 years. And that just so happens to be the year of Duncan. I don't even hate them, I envy them. It's got to be so nice to be a fan of such a well run and well respected organization.

It doesn't hurt having the commish friends with the owner, either.

[Puff]

Suns fans are an amazing bunch.

It appears that a lot of you would want to keep Markieff around, just because.

Even though:
1. He is part of a felony assault case
2. He has called out Suns Fans for not supporting the team
3. He averages about as may technicals per game as assists.
4. He probably will call his brother on his cell phone during time outs.
5. He plays hard maybe every other game
6. He and the coach reportedly do not get along.
7. He is a poor rebounder
8. He seldom takes it to the hoop or gets put backs
9. He is too small for his position.
10. etc,etc

These are the same fans that were happy to see J Kidd leave town because of a couple of French fry's and were ecstatic when MDA left town while winning 58 games on average while he was coach.

Go figure.

Kieff has to be moved. That means he won't.

[bwgood77]

Not to jump on the San Antonio hate train or anything, but has there ever been a sports franchise that has had virtually everything go their way? I mean, they've had 1 bad year in 25 years. And that just so happens to be the year of Duncan. I don't even hate them, I envy them. It's got to be so nice to be a fan of such a well run and well respected organization.

I can't think of many. The Patriots are similar but they have had some heartbreaking moments in Super Bowls. I guess I would say the Patriots though. Even though they had the helmet catch, and the other SB loss...they had the tuck rule snow game, which was incredibly lucky, the Seattle blunder which was unbelievably lucky, and their division has mostly sucked for like the last 15 years, so they can always get to 11 wins and the playoffs fairly easily, while other divisions are tougher and they have to battle harder. Plus they have cheated at least twice, as did the Spurs whether it be unknowingly with Donaghy's help, Bowen sliding his foot under someone before they landed so they will twist their ankle, or Horry slamming Nash into the scorers table.

SA also had a few bad moments like the Patriots have had in Super Bowls, like when they blew an OT game in a game 7 against Dallas in I think 2006...I think Manu missed an easy lay in or something. The Derek Fisher shot in 2004, and the collapse against Miami in game 6. And it was awesome when they got beat in the first round by 8th seed Memphis.

But they seem to be fortunate with injuries to contenders in their championship years. We had injuries or suspensions in 2005 and 2007, and Chris Webber broke his leg in the first round in 2003 and I thought they were DEFINITELY going to come back and win it all that year after the travesty of the 2002 WCF. And OKC with Ibaka last year.

[Nando88]

If we could get a quality stretch 4 and Keef was ok with being the sixth man again we'd be a playoff team. But keef's a dick that won't accept that. He's a goner unless he's had a personality transplant.


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[bwgood77]

Suns fans are an amazing bunch.

It appears that a lot of you would want to keep Markieff around, just because.

Even though:
1. He is part of a felony assault case
2. He has called out Suns Fans for not supporting the team
3. He averages about as may technicals per game as assists.
4. He probably will call his brother on his cell phone during time outs.
5. He plays hard maybe every other game
6. He and the coach reportedly do not get along.
7. He is a poor rebounder
8. He seldom takes it to the hoop or gets put backs
9. He is too small for his position.
10. etc,etc

These are the same fans that were happy to see J Kidd leave town because of a couple of French fry's and were ecstatic when MDA left town while winning 58 games on average while he was coach.

Go figure.

Kieff has to be moved. That means he won't.

Solid points. I should have left the Kieff poll us at the top, but it appears 2/3 of the fans on this forum want to keep him. However, I think the twins turned off many fans to the point they don't watch any more so they are not contributing in the polls, and I'd guess most casual fans, or at least half would probably rather trade Kieff.

I think when the feeling around the team is close to 100% positive (it will never be that, but the closer the better) that is when the arena starts to get louder, and the whole vibe improves, which makes players happier, free agents more likely to join us, etc.

I think in the end, it might be better to trade him, if we can find good value. Personally I'd rather keep him, but when thinking of the fanbase implications, if we could replace him with equal talent, I can't see how that could be a bad move. Or if we could somehow trade him and even a pick for Porzingis, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Sunsdeuce]

So everyone on Twitter is saying they would welcome Amare back. Is there a rumor out there of Amare coming back?