Semi-OT: Suns looking to trade Markieff Morris

[Psubs]

3-way

Phoenix trades: Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: Ryan Anderson and 2nd round pick

New Orleans trades: Ryan Anderson and lottery protected 1st pick
New Orleans gets: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and 2nd pick

Toronto trades: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and two 2nd round pick
Toronto gets: Markieff Morris and lottery protected 1st pick

[jredsaz]

As a Suns fan I think any Morris to Toronto scenario starts with Patterson. Probably would require a long term asset like a the LAC 1st. Because the Suns will trade Morris but not on the cheap. He and Hornacek not getting along is not a make or break for a trade.

Bottom line is Kieff has a higher ceiling and a better all around game... I think. Because my real question here is about Patterson.

Why is he so underutilized? I get that he is a great shooter and that his roll in the offense demands some standing around to create space for others, thats why I would want him on the Suns. But 13.1% USG!?! Does he have another skill.

For a player that generates so much "Im not trading that dude" sentiment, why are his per 36 so weak? I get its not a great stat but 10/7/3 is super pedestrian.

I watch the guy run up and down a court and then look at his advanced stats and think he is an amazing specialist who has the body and athleticism to be really effective. Then I watch a whole Raptors game and the most creative thing designed for him is a pick and pop that is called only once a half.

I have been trying to guage this guys value on the Suns board, general board and trade board and it is all over the place. I think he is effective for you but his potential is not being realized in Casey's system. Am I wrong? Ive got to figure this out.

[cram]

As a Suns fan I think any Morris to Toronto scenario starts with Patterson. Probably would require a long term asset like a the LAC 1st. Because the Suns will trade Morris but not on the cheap. He and Hornacek not getting along is not a make or break for a trade.

Bottom line is Kieff has a higher ceiling and a better all around game... I think. Because my real question here is about Patterson.

Why is he so underutilized? I get that he is a great shooter and that his roll in the offense demands some standing around to create space for others, thats why I would want him on the Suns. But 13.1% USG!?! Does he have another skill.

For a player that generates so much "Im not trading that dude" sentiment, why are his per 36 so weak? I get its not a great stat but 10/7/3 is super pedestrian.

I watch the guy run up and down a court and then look at his advanced stats and think he is an amazing specialist who has the body and athleticism to be really effective. Then I watch a whole Raptors game and the most creative thing designed for him is a pick and pop that is called only once a half.

I have been trying to guage this guys value on the Suns board, general board and trade board and it is all over the place. I think he is effective for you but his potential is not being realized in Casey's system. Am I wrong? Ive got to figure this out.

Patterson's great. I doubt he's getting traded any time soon.

[simple_jack]

As a Suns fan I think any Morris to Toronto scenario starts with Patterson. Probably would require a long term asset like a the LAC 1st. Because the Suns will trade Morris but not on the cheap. He and Hornacek not getting along is not a make or break for a trade.

Bottom line is Kieff has a higher ceiling and a better all around game... I think. Because my real question here is about Patterson.

Why is he so underutilized? I get that he is a great shooter and that his roll in the offense demands some standing around to create space for others, thats why I would want him on the Suns. But 13.1% USG!?! Does he have another skill.

For a player that generates so much "Im not trading that dude" sentiment, why are his per 36 so weak? I get its not a great stat but 10/7/3 is super pedestrian.

I watch the guy run up and down a court and then look at his advanced stats and think he is an amazing specialist who has the body and athleticism to be really effective. Then I watch a whole Raptors game and the most creative thing designed for him is a pick and pop that is called only once a half.

I have been trying to guage this guys value on the Suns board, general board and trade board and it is all over the place. I think he is effective for you but his potential is not being realized in Casey's system. Am I wrong? Ive got to figure this out.

The problem is that our entire roster was not utilized correctly by coach Casey.

Patterson kind of regressed this year but he was amazing his first year here. Hopefully he gets back to that level this season.

[MainEvent]

3-way

Phoenix trades: Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: Ryan Anderson and 2nd round pick

New Orleans trades: Ryan Anderson and lottery protected 1st pick
New Orleans gets: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and 2nd pick

Toronto trades: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and two 2nd round pick
Toronto gets: Markieff Morris and lottery protected 1st pick

wow, biased towards Toronto much?

[Psubs]

Patterson regressed because he came off the bench and Lou Williams dominated the ball.

[bwgood77]

3-way

Phoenix trades: Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: Ryan Anderson and 2nd round pick

New Orleans trades: Ryan Anderson and lottery protected 1st pick
New Orleans gets: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and 2nd pick

Toronto trades: Terrence Ross, James Johnson and two 2nd round pick
Toronto gets: Markieff Morris and lottery protected 1st pick

wow, biased towards Toronto much?

Yeah, New Orleans would only do that if they were Sacramento.

[MainEvent]

We wouldn't include 2Pat in a deal for Morris, then we would still be looking for a PF

Whats the deal with his off court issues btw?

[alevirfe]

Like his game a lot. Plays with a chip on his shoulder and is very talented. Probably the second/third best player on the Suns the last two seasons. Contract is a bargain.

The fit isn't ideal but we can't be picky with the huge hole at PF and limited options out there. Not sure if I'm willing to give up on Ross to get Markieff because that will just create another hole on our roster. I'd be willing to move our pick and possibly the Clippers pick as well.

[S ID]

Other than Markieff, I really want Gerald Green as a bench scorer and a crowd pleaser

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yOjLAFa7D8[/youtube]

[Anatomize]

Other than Markieff, I really want Gerald Green as a bench scorer and a crowd pleaser

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yOjLAFa7D8[/youtube]

I'd EASILY trade them Ross + JJ + Clippers Pick for Markieff + Green.

[Son Goku 25]

I ain't giving away Patterson for him lol Patterson is player YOU NEED if you plan on being a winning team. I hate seeing guys like him go to waste because of trash/loser players around him, Patterson is a smart player and fits in today's NBA as a stretch 4. He can pass decently as we've seen, he can actually defend/rebound when he wants to, he's still relatively young and is a great locker room guy.

[Asif16]

Other than Markieff, I really want Gerald Green as a bench scorer and a crowd pleaser

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yOjLAFa7D8[/youtube]

I'd EASILY trade them Ross + JJ + Clippers Pick for Markieff + Green.

Green is a free agent. We can sign him outright.

Granted, it would have to cheap.

[Asif16]

Im with the Keep Patterson crowd. Markeiff isnt really THAT much of an upgrade over Patterson.

Patterson was the one of the few who showed up in the playoffs last year. He's a stretch 4 with basketball IQ, something this team sorely lacks. Patterson is also one of the few who can pass the ball well on our team and makes the effort to keep the ball moving. He's a perfect backup big.

Defense and Rebounding is a bit of a concern but he makes up for it with his 3 point shooting, high efficiency on the offensive end and his Baskeball IQ.

[Anatomize]

Other than Markieff, I really want Gerald Green as a bench scorer and a crowd pleaser

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yOjLAFa7D8[/youtube]

I'd EASILY trade them Ross + JJ + Clippers Pick for Markieff + Green.

Green is a free agent. We can sign him outright.

Granted, it would have to cheap.

Ah, thanks.

That's a great signing, 3's/bench scoring to replace Lou, he's very up tempo and gets out and runs, super athletic/great alleyoop target. D isn't great but he can cause some turnovers and has good size. No way we can afford him though.

At least if we trade Ross we'll get some 3's back by bringing him on board, and Markieff can shoot 3's as well. It's one of the problems with trading Ross at the moment, Masai brought in a lot of pieces but we don't have enough shooting/court spacing.

[Asif16]

I'd EASILY trade them Ross + JJ + Clippers Pick for Markieff + Green.

Green is a free agent. We can sign him outright.

Granted, it would have to cheap.

Ah, thanks.

That's a great signing, 3's/bench scoring to replace Lou, he's very up tempo and gets out and runs, super athletic/great alleyoop target. D isn't great but he can cause some turnovers and has good size. No way we can afford him though.

At least if we trade Ross we'll get some 3's back by bringing him back on board, and Markieff can shoot 3's as well. It's one of the problems with trading Ross at the moment, Masai brought in a lot of pieces but we don't have enough shooting/court spacing.

Yeah, green is one of my targets as well but i think the move has to be done only after we acquire our Starting PF. And Green's asking price may be off our price range. Have to see if he really wants to come to T.O.

Still holding out for a Terrence Jones trade.

Lowry/Joseph/Wright
Derozan/Green
Carroll/JJ/Bruno
Jones/Patterson
VAl/Biyombo/bebe

Very solid group. This assuming that we trade Ross, ridnour, and some combination of picks for Jones. Dont know if its gonna be enough. At worst, rockets might want james johnson as well. In which, Green may play both the 2 and the 3, while wright getting some min at the 2.

[RaptorHusky]

Yeah, green is one of my targets as well but i think the move has to be done only after we acquire our Starting PF. And Green's asking price may be off our price range. Have to see if he really wants to come to T.O.

Still holding out for a Terrence Jones trade.

Lowry/Joseph/Wright
Derozan/Green
Carroll/JJ/Bruno
Jones/Patterson
VAl/Biyombo/bebe

Very solid group. This assuming that we trade Ross, ridnour, and some combination of picks for Jones. Dont know if its gonna be enough. At worst, rockets might want james johnson as well. In which, Green may play both the 2 and the 3, while wright getting some min at the 2.

I can hardly see Houston trading TJones for assets we can offer. Look at their dept chart. Do you see where TRoss fits in? There is definitely no space for Ross. JJ might be in Rocks' rotation but him alone, even with Ridnour, is not enough to make Houston happy.

[cammac]

Advanced statistics favor Patterson over Morris but neither is a answer as a starting PF.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=morrima02&p2=pattepa01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
Jones versus Morris
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=joneste01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[Hackett]

As a Suns fan I think any Morris to Toronto scenario starts with Patterson. Probably would require a long term asset like a the LAC 1st. Because the Suns will trade Morris but not on the cheap. He and Hornacek not getting along is not a make or break for a trade.

Bottom line is Kieff has a higher ceiling and a better all around game... I think. Because my real question here is about Patterson.

Why is he so underutilized? I get that he is a great shooter and that his roll in the offense demands some standing around to create space for others, thats why I would want him on the Suns. But 13.1% USG!?! Does he have another skill.

For a player that generates so much "Im not trading that dude" sentiment, why are his per 36 so weak? I get its not a great stat but 10/7/3 is super pedestrian.

I watch the guy run up and down a court and then look at his advanced stats and think he is an amazing specialist who has the body and athleticism to be really effective. Then I watch a whole Raptors game and the most creative thing designed for him is a pick and pop that is called only once a half.

I have been trying to guage this guys value on the Suns board, general board and trade board and it is all over the place. I think he is effective for you but his potential is not being realized in Casey's system. Am I wrong? Ive got to figure this out.

The problem is that our entire roster was not utilized correctly by coach Casey.

Patterson kind of regressed this year but he was amazing his first year here. Hopefully he gets back to that level this season.

No. That was not the problem at ALL. Much smarter minds were tasked for what went wrong and it was determined that the roster was flawed and that even with this flawed roster Casey broke the franchise WIN record.


I know it is lost on you people, but this is a 3rd rate basketball strategy site and that is being extremely kind. Not a single **** was given to what the teenage posters on this forum think. None of you have gotten a singe fact right all year, and no GM would ever use this site as some sort of a resources for directing an NBA franchise.


If you really want to have an opinion, take part in some of the season ticket holder events and say it face to face. I have a feeling a lot of you would quicker crap your pants before you could even repeat half of the garbage that gets posted on here.

[UneducatedFan86]

As a Suns fan I think any Morris to Toronto scenario starts with Patterson. Probably would require a long term asset like a the LAC 1st. Because the Suns will trade Morris but not on the cheap. He and Hornacek not getting along is not a make or break for a trade.

Bottom line is Kieff has a higher ceiling and a better all around game... I think. Because my real question here is about Patterson.

Why is he so underutilized? I get that he is a great shooter and that his roll in the offense demands some standing around to create space for others, thats why I would want him on the Suns. But 13.1% USG!?! Does he have another skill.

For a player that generates so much "Im not trading that dude" sentiment, why are his per 36 so weak? I get its not a great stat but 10/7/3 is super pedestrian.

I watch the guy run up and down a court and then look at his advanced stats and think he is an amazing specialist who has the body and athleticism to be really effective. Then I watch a whole Raptors game and the most creative thing designed for him is a pick and pop that is called only once a half.

I have been trying to guage this guys value on the Suns board, general board and trade board and it is all over the place. I think he is effective for you but his potential is not being realized in Casey's system. Am I wrong? Ive got to figure this out.

The problem is that our entire roster was not utilized correctly by coach Casey.

Patterson kind of regressed this year but he was amazing his first year here. Hopefully he gets back to that level this season.

No. That was not the problem at ALL. Much smarter minds were tasked for what went wrong and it was determined that the roster was flawed and that even with this flawed roster Casey broke the franchise WIN record.


I know it is lost on you people, but this is a 3rd rate basketball strategy site and that is being extremely kind. Not a single **** was given to what the teenage posters on this forum think. None of you have gotten a singe fact right all year, and no GM would ever use this site as some sort of a resources for directing an NBA franchise.


If you really want to have an opinion, take part in some of the season ticket holder events and say it face to face. I have a feeling a lot of you would quicker crap your pants before you could even repeat half of the garbage that gets posted on here.

I love that you are berating people for having an opinion. While you're basically just giving your own opinion on the matter. This is a fan forum, where people voice their opinions on the team. Good and bad. And let's be honest, unless you have some kind of inside source to what is going on in the Raptor FO, then you know as much as anyone else on this board.

If you are basing it on reports, then you must be just going on reports that go along with what you think/want to think. Because there were just as many reports floating around that Casey's job was not safe and/or that this season is a make or break year for him. Just because he's still here today, doesn't mean that Masai/FO think Casey was guilt free.

Were there issues with the roster? Yes. Everyone saw/knew that. Were there issues with coaching? Yes, I think so. Was it all Casey's fault? No. Was he part of the issue? Yes. He just has one more year left on his contract. If things don't go well to start the season, then he'll be fired. If things go well, then you judge him based on what happens in the playoffs. Keeping him was the safe bet. Especially with how much roster movement there has been.

Also, let's not act like this roster is a EC championship team or anything. As it is now, this roster has just as many questions as last years team - if not more. We have gotten much younger and we've added some interesting talent, but we really haven't pushed ourselves into the upper-tier of teams. We still lack franchise talent. We also won't have the luxury of being basically guaranteed a top-seed next season.

I'm more curious to see what happens if this team fails to start off strong.