Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[bwgood77]

I would love to see the Suns get Anderson and keep kieff!

Bledsoe
Knight
Pj
Anderson
Chandler

Bench: Archie
Booker
Warren
Kieff
Len
Man we would destroy second units!

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That would be nice...welcome to the board! I see you are a 49ers fan....I just made a post in the thread about SSOL becoming the Warriors thread...so you could also chime in and answer the question I posed to Los Soles.

[batsmasher]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

[letsgosuns]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

I understand what you are saying, but if the power forward rotation is Markieff and Tucker, this team will be awful. No other way to say it. Tucker is pathetic for a power forward. He only played power forward because the Suns had no backups last year that were any good. Markieff is nothing better than a bench player. As it stands right now, this roster has absolutely no chance to make the playoffs in the West. I really like the Chandler signing but he is not enough. The Suns need a major upgrade at power forward if they want to even think about the playoffs.

[bwgood77]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

I think a lineup of Knight, Bledsoe, Tucker, Kieff and Len have a pretty good chance of replicating our season of 2013/14, so I would be fine rolling with them and if it isn't working make some changes mid season when the court case is behind Kieff, and if they want to trade him, so be it.

I think it would be nice to sign another PF if there was one out there if he fits and can be good inside all also hit the 3, but I'm not sure a deal like that is on the table. If we can get a guy like Gallo or Anderson for dumping a future pick as long as they don't have long contracts, and I know Anderson fits that bill, but not sure if Gallo does,,,if it is a one year flyer for limited assets, than fine, but I wouldn't give up Kieff unless that is a mandate from the front office, but I wouldn't do it until mid season unless we got a killer deal in the summer, because I think is value will rise once the case is settled.

[bwgood77]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

I understand what you are saying, but if the power forward rotation is Markieff and Tucker, this team will be awful. No other way to say it. Tucker is pathetic for a power forward. He only played power forward because the Suns had no backups last year that were any good. Markieff is nothing better than a bench player. As it stands right now, this roster has absolutely no chance to make the playoffs in the West. I really like the Chandler signing but he is not enough. The Suns need a major upgrade at power forward if they want to even think about the playoffs.

Well if Len has range, him and Kieff could work very well since both would have some range...still can't dump Kieff for limited value though.

[Mulhollanddrive]

The lack of quality names being proposed is a depressing sign.

[bwgood77]

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[batsmasher]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

I understand what you are saying, but if the power forward rotation is Markieff and Tucker, this team will be awful. No other way to say it. Tucker is pathetic for a power forward. He only played power forward because the Suns had no backups last year that were any good. Markieff is nothing better than a bench player. As it stands right now, this roster has absolutely no chance to make the playoffs in the West. I really like the Chandler signing but he is not enough. The Suns need a major upgrade at power forward if they want to even think about the playoffs.

Why is PJ a pathetic power forward? He's big enough to defend the 4, he can stretch the floor, rebounds way above his size. What's the hassle? Draymond Green played the 5 during the playoffs for spurts. Demarre Carroll went to the Raptors to play minutes at the 4, PG13 is going to play 4 this year. Tobias Harris already does play 4 at times. Why can't PJ?

The talk over the last few days about a Ryno/Gallo type is nonsensical. People are just sick of Kieff, and are symptomatically viewing these guys with rose-tinted glasses. In fact, if we made an exact replica of Kieff (even more so than Marcus) and put him on another team, you'd all be hyping the bejeebers out of him and hoping we trade for him.

I don't even like Kieff and do think in the long run we need to trade for him, but the talk over the last few days has been nothing but a clutch at straws.

[KLEON]

I would love to see the Suns get Anderson and keep kieff!

Bledsoe
Knight
Pj
Anderson
Chandler

Bench: Archie
Booker
Warren
Kieff
Len
Man we would destroy second units!


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I've been saying that too. Give Kieff this season or the least mid-season to prove his discipline and get Ryan Anderson to be our back up 4.

[letsgosuns]

I've been in the camp thinking Kieff is on the out and this roster will still be shaken up before the season starts. Now, not so much.

Remember how effective PJ was for that limited time we played him at the 5 last season? He feasted on boards, somehow. I don't think there's a hole at the 4, Kieff will start, PJ will play plenty there and Leuer probably gets minutes here and there.

Wouldn't be surprised if the only thing we do from here is a near-min deal wing shooter. Someone like Dorrell Wright

I understand what you are saying, but if the power forward rotation is Markieff and Tucker, this team will be awful. No other way to say it. Tucker is pathetic for a power forward. He only played power forward because the Suns had no backups last year that were any good. Markieff is nothing better than a bench player. As it stands right now, this roster has absolutely no chance to make the playoffs in the West. I really like the Chandler signing but he is not enough. The Suns need a major upgrade at power forward if they want to even think about the playoffs.

Why is PJ a pathetic power forward? He's big enough to defend the 4, he can stretch the floor, rebounds way above his size. What's the hassle? Draymond Green played the 5 during the playoffs for spurts. Demarre Carroll went to the Raptors to play minutes at the 4, PG13 is going to play 4 this year. Tobias Harris already does play 4 at times. Why can't PJ?

The talk over the last few days about a Ryno/Gallo type is nonsensical. People are just sick of Kieff, and are symptomatically viewing these guys with rose-tinted glasses. In fact, if we made an exact replica of Kieff (even more so than Marcus) and put him on another team, you'd all be hyping the bejeebers out of him and hoping we trade for him.

I don't even like Kieff and do think in the long run we need to trade for him, but the talk over the last few days has been nothing but a clutch at straws.

I think Green and Carroll are both far superior to Tucker. Not even close. Those guys are legitimate shooters with a lot versatility while Tucker is just a hustle player with a very limited offensive game.

[batsmasher]

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Sam Amico sits in the Jordan Schultz category.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I can see Tucker as a small ball PF, but not for 30 minutes.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wonder why we're after Haywood when we're got Chandler, Len, Lauer and the league is playing less traditional centers.

[bwgood77]

Wonder why we're after Haywood when we're got Chandler, Len, Lauer and the league is playing less traditional centers.

I imagine it is only for trade purposes if any of it's true.

[batsmasher]

I think Green and Carroll are both far superior to Tucker. Not even close. Those guys are legitimate shooters with a lot versatility while Tucker is just a hustle player with a very limited offensive game.

PJ shoots the 3 ball better than Draymond. His per36 numbers are just about the same as Demarre's (PJ rebounds better, Demarre scores more). http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=tuckepj01&y2=2015&p2=greendr01&y3=2015&p3=carrode01&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

Draymond is insanely good, especially as a 4, but my point was: if they're not afraid to play him at the 5, then why can't PJ play heavy minutes at the 4? Teams are playing smaller and smaller now when matched up against bad offensive bigs. All PJ needs to do is stand in his 3 point corner and he's filled his role as a stretch-4.

[thamadkant]

Sam Amick tweeted that the "Cavs are talking to the Clippers, Suns and Laker about Haywood contact. Varejao not going anywhere"

At least its not Jordan Schultz


So, if the Suns are talking about Haywood and Ray Ray mentioneJoeJohnson:
Suns flip Markieff for Haywood

Haywood, Tucker and Goodwin for Joe Johnson-

Might be selling low on Kieff but always thought he would be perfect for the bench for the Cavaliers.

That's seriously selling low on Kieff, Archie and Tucker

Do not want

+1

Seriously... Joe Johnson wont move the needle. Suns paying a guy 25 million to put up numbers that Goodwin likely can do in a couple of years, as well as Tucker, as well as Keef... I'm totally against it.

[rsavaj]

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Sam Amico sits in the Jordan Schultz category.

I think about 50% of his credibility comes from people who think he's Sam Amick

[NavLDO]

Frankly, since that's been his biggest criticism since college, I don't find it particularly promising. It took him 3 years to realize he needs to lose weight? Really? That's Diaw-esque.

Very Diaw-esque. After Diaw got his fat deal, he got fat, lazy and his production dropped. You can bet Sully will have a career year, look good and get a nice deal. Then who knows

That's not even the worst part. Sully weighs 15 pounds more than Diaw and is 10 years younger. Nothing against him, I think he is a solid player... just not for the Suns style of play. Square peg, round hole.

First, Boris Diaw came into the league at 6'8", 203 lbs, and now weighs 250lbs. Sullinger came in at 6'9", 268lbs, gained 12lbs to 280, and is, or will soon be, 260lbs.

So, a guy who is an inch taller weighs 10lbs more, and 8 lbs less than when he came in, whereas Diaw came in at 203lbs, then proceeded to balloon 47lbs. So, depending on how you look at it, will ultimately depend on which situation is worse, but to me, it shows that Sully's weight doesn't fluctuate tremendously.

Did anyone have an issue with Charles Barkley being 6'5" 250 lbs? Why, then, are you all so concerned about a guy who is 6'9", 260 lbs?

I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise, but I fail to see how Sully doesn't fit in at 6'9" 260lbs. He'll get faster and more agile as he drops some weight. I, for one, wouldn't mind having someone with some weight at PF. PG? SG? SF? Of course not, but PF or C? Sure.

EDIT: And then just reading up a few posts, it boggles my mind even more about all this discussion how Sullinger doesn't fit this team and how he's a fatty, etc., when we have a 6'5" 260 lb PJ Tucker, who seems to fit this team just fine? So what I'm gathering is that it would be ok for a 6'5" 260lb player to play the 4, but somehow a 6'9" 260 lb player is too fat to play. Tucker has gained 35 lbs since coming into the league, and that's ok, but Sullinger losing 8 lbs since entering the league at and he's and out of shape oaf?

No, he's not a great 3PT shooter, but he makes up for that in a lot of other ways, like rebounding. I know that's a foreign concept for our PFs, but most other teams prefer to have PFs that can rebound. Not to mention, if Horny can mentor/teach other players (Goodwin), why can't he improve Sully's 3pt shot?

[bwgood77]

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Sam Amico sits in the Jordan Schultz category.

I think about 50% of his credibility comes from people who think he's Sam Amick

True, I get them confused but at least he works for Fox Sports and not the Huffington Post or some far removed international site.

[JMac1]

Hell, just thinking about it, maybe Alec Brown will make the team as the third PF/C and we stay as is. Just shoot, rebound and play defense.