WE DID IT! (HIBBERT PRESS CONFERENCE EDITION)

[kblo247]

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Interesting stuff here.

If we manage our rotations/minutes correctly, Roy can be a great rim protector for us.

Eights I see your tweet and raise you Hibbert's defensive shot chart

[kblo247]

Funnel your ass off boys if you got common sense. And Scott to make the most of Roy would be best to play him in 7 minute stretches to start the first and third and end the second and fourth

[tugs]

That's the % misses/makes of opponents?

[kblo247]

That's the % misses/makes of opponents?

It's what teams shoot vs ROY when he contests those areas. He can change a game defensively.

Example, last year teams shoot at a 44% clip vs him in the painted area. We were a bottom I've orst team in the league at paint protection fg% and points wise.

Another semi interesting note for those keeping score, we were eighth in pace last year for the games Kobe played, so yeah we should be able to run with him at the 3 and Roy at the 5 decently well

[ratra_1211]

That's the % misses/makes of opponents?

It's what teams shoot vs ROY when he contests those areas. He can change a game defensively.

Example, last year teams shoot at a 44% clip vs him in the painted area. We were a bottom I've orst team in the league at paint protection fg% and points wise.

Another semi interesting note for those keeping score, we were eighth in pace last year for the games Kobe played, so yeah we should be able to run with him at the 3 and Roy at the 5 decently well

How do you measure pace?
Can it be inflated by the fact that kobe shoot alot?

[Danny Darko]

I don't know why people like Ed's D. Ed was awful at actual defense and only had the occasional flashy block. Roy is the real deal defensively.

[ak7]

In a league where defensive centers who protect the rim are a must, I like the low-risk, high-reward potential of this move. Kupchak saved a bit of face with this move, in my opinion. I actually like this more so than signing LMA and forcing Randle to the 3 spot. Preserve our cap space, take a flier on a guy who can impact the game in a way we haven't had a player do so in a while, and hopefully win some games this year.

[Slava]

If Hibbert had Kwame hands, he'd still be getting paid big bucks for his rim protection alone. It surprises me how much Larry wanted him out that he sent him to us for free.

[oneseven]

It's a pickle. We want him to be good but not too good. If he beasts it and returns to 12-13 form he'll probably want big big money and to play with a LOB true contender, not a team a few yrs away still.

[BEazy]

I'm worried that if DeAndre goes back to the Clippers that the Pacers will say **** it and send Hibbert to the Mavs for Ellis. I'm very concerned about this because Larry might say give us more assets and you can have Hibbert...Going to pay close attention to this situation because ultimately it might **** us over...

My reason to be concerned: DJ signs with the Clippers, Mavs are left with no center. They could just ultimately say Lakers out and just do a swap of Ellis and Hibbert. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you never know...

[Kilroy]

Trades are different than free agent signings. Trades have to be approved by the league. I've never seen a team back out of an agreed upon trade without cause.
Agreeing to sign a contract is different. It's basically just the word of the player. But even then, it's almost unprecedented that a player back out.

What they're really discussing though is a sign and trade... Not trying to change DAJ's mind about leaving.

[xBulletproof]

Trades are different than free agent signings. Trades have to be approved by the league. I've never seen a team back out of an agreed upon trade without cause.
Agreeing to sign a contract is different. It's basically just the word of the player. But even then, it's almost unprecedented that a player back out.

What they're really discussing though is a sign and trade... Not trying to change DAJ's mind about leaving.

Pretty sure trades are just agreements until the same time as free agent signings. Teams could still back out.

That said, as a Pacer fan I would be disappointed if we did so. It would be pretty ****ed up.

Either way a sign and trade for Ellis doesn't change anything for us cap wise. There would be no advantage unless they decided to give us a 1st.

[dockingsched]

Teams don't back out of trades because the ramifications of it would be very long term. They have to continue dealings with other teams and agents forever.

For players what's the real downside except for public opinion?

[dipstick]

Teams don't back out of trades because the ramifications of it would be very long term. They have to continue dealings with other teams and agents forever.

For players what's the real downside except for public opinion?

For players, reputation when dealing with other teams after this contract runs out. Then again that may be 4 or 5 years down the line and the damage has already been done by now.

Whatever happens, Im happy we didnt get the knucklehead.

We will find out soon enough also as we are rushing tp finish all the deals up so that we can sign Russell his max rookie scale contract. Just wondering why no word is out about the final cap figure.

[john248]

If Hibbert had Kwame hands, he'd still be getting paid big bucks for his rim protection alone. It surprises me how much Larry wanted him out that he sent him to us for free.

Given the trends of what we're seeing, how defense only bigs can be played off the court, and Bird wanting a quick rebuild, it can't be that surprising.

Teams don't back out of trades because the ramifications of it would be very long term. They have to continue dealings with other teams and agents forever.

For players what's the real downside except for public opinion?

For players, reputation when dealing with other teams after this contract runs out. Then again that may be 4 or 5 years down the line and the damage has already been done by now.

Whatever happens, Im happy we didnt get the knucklehead.

We will find out soon enough also as we are rushing tp finish all the deals up so that we can sign Russell his max rookie scale contract. Just wondering why no word is out about the final cap figure.

The player's reputation is just short term. If DAJ still puts up high volume numbers, he'll still be sought out in free agency. I know you're thinking that teams won't take him seriously the next time around, but that doesn't apply since we've seen teams over and over bend over backwards to sign a player for reasons worse than changing their mind in free agency.

[dipstick]

If Hibbert had Kwame hands, he'd still be getting paid big bucks for his rim protection alone. It surprises me how much Larry wanted him out that he sent him to us for free.

Given the trends of what we're seeing, how defense only bigs can be played off the court, and Bird wanting a quick rebuild, it can't be that surprising.

Teams don't back out of trades because the ramifications of it would be very long term. They have to continue dealings with other teams and agents forever.

For players what's the real downside except for public opinion?

For players, reputation when dealing with other teams after this contract runs out. Then again that may be 4 or 5 years down the line and the damage has already been done by now.

Whatever happens, Im happy we didnt get the knucklehead.

We will find out soon enough also as we are rushing tp finish all the deals up so that we can sign Russell his max rookie scale contract. Just wondering why no word is out about the final cap figure.

The player's reputation is just short term. If DAJ still puts up high volume numbers, he'll still be sought out in free agency. I know you're thinking that teams won't take him seriously the next time around, but that doesn't apply since we've seen teams over and over bend over backwards to sign a player for reasons worse than changing their mind in free agency.

True, but this will leave a sour taste in teams' mouths. How can you go after a player then find out right before signing that you're screwed. Just like saving space for a rfa. It doesnt happen because of the uncertainty.

This is going to be a horrendous precedent if Jordan resigns with the Clippers. Could lead to teams sabotaging other teams with players reneging on "agreed" terms.

[Danny Darko]

oh man Shelburne is also saying on the radio that Cuban might be able to grab Roy if DAJ flip flops... and that the clips aint leaving his house until he signs with them... I would be soo soo pissed.

[TylersLakers]

Unless Cuban is going to overpay, I doubt that happens. Lakers and Pacers have agreed to a trade. It's not like DeAndre's player decision to back out. This would be an executive backing out.

[dipstick]

If Im Cuban, Im leaving. No sense in getting a no prinicple guy like Jordan. Then plot my revenge.

[Danny Darko]

Unless Cuban is going to overpay, I doubt that happens. Lakers and Pacers have agreed to a trade. It's not like DeAndre's player decision to back out. This would be an executive backing out.

Celtic HOF laker hater backing out of a Laker deal.