Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[TASTIC]

I could see something like

DLee to the Suns
Haywood expiring to Celtics
Tucker to Cavs

I'd be down for that for sure.

I wouldn't like that trade. If we trade Tucker or Markieff I want a player with potential coming to the Suns. Someone like Cody Zeller or Porzingis.
Players like David Lee at this point of his career are easy to find in FA. I don't think he is better than Amare or Jordan Hill, for example.

Good point - I keep forgetting Hill is out there - I'd rather give him something like 2yr $10m. He's active, very good rebounder, from Az and is still relatively young at 27.

[Revived]

Are the @Suns not interested in resigning Gerald Green?

John Gambadoro

No

I could have told you that like 6 months ago.

[DRK]

Are the @Suns not interested in resigning Gerald Green?

John Gambadoro

No

So the Suns are not "Not interested" in resigning GGReen?

Double negative = positive.

So they are?

Cmon Gambo explain yourself, or at least post more pics of your daughter thanks.

[gaspar]

Can we please stop quoting morons with no credibility like Amico, Schultz and Deveney? Thanks.

[TASTIC]

Can we please stop quoting morons with no credibility like Amico, Schultz, gaspar and Deveney? Thanks.

Too late

[gaspar]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

We still need a backup PG, if Ish signs elsewhere, what do you guys thinking of signing a guy like Dellavadova or Austin Rivers?

Miami is also looking to dump Chalmers and he has an expiring contract so that could be another option.

All 3 players have experience playing for championship caliber teams so that's one positive...

I'd rather a calm vet who won't moan about minutes - someone like Prigioni or even take a flyer on a guard with some size like Alexey Shved. That guy played really well for the Knicks when he got minutes - haven't seen his name anywhere either.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01/gamelog/2015/#170-181-sum:pgl_basic

Whoever they are they need to be able to make an open 3 - so no to guys like Will Bynum and Andre Miller (though he'd be a great vet around Bledsoe I think).

Or even Andre Miller. He is an elder statesman but could be another positive role model to give solid pointers to our multiple young guards, and he is a pass first guy.

[lilfishi22]

Always been a fan of Miller. THe guy is a pro, through and through. I don't think he's the type to ring chase either.

[Saberestar]

Any free-agent additions should be kept to short-term deals, especially with most of the top free agents already claimed during the first week of free-agency negotiations. With NBA cap space dwindling, the Suns are in a position to be judicious on second-tier talent with limited options.

The hard part for an organization on a five-year playoff skid will be having patience for an impactful trade to become available. Any speculation on trades for the likes of Ryan Anderson, Derrick Favors and Danilo Gallinari seems unlikely at this point, but they give examples of the types of moves the Suns could consider for help until a better trade target becomes available.

David Lee was available, but a Tuesday deal sent him to Boston. Utah is firm in its position to keep Favors, who would be a catch with a valuable contract. Suns coach Jeff Hornacek knows and likes Favors from his years on the Jazz staff.

Like Lee, Gallinari and Anderson have expiring contracts with murmurs that they could be on the block and have an interest in Phoenix in Anderson's case. Anderson, 27, is a career 38 percent 3-point shooter. At 6 feet 10, he would give the Suns the deep-shooting power forward they seek and his playing time future appears slim in New Orleans as long as the Pelicans want to keep Anthony Davis at power forward with centers Omer Asik and Alexis Ajinca returning. On the flip side, nobody knows the value of a stretch power forward better than new Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry.

The trade burners have no dish that is close to being ready to serve. The season might have to unfold before there is a star-quality or star-potential player who becomes available in a trade. If the Suns improve enough internally, maybe a move for a player such as Serge Ibaka would become enticing.

The Suns will have used their cap space by the start of the season but taking on a large contract for the future can work with a salary cap that will jump about $21 million for the 2016-17 season and another $19 million for the 2017-18 season.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/07/07/phoenix-suns-lamarcus-aldridge-free-agents-ryan-anderson-trade-nba/29843289/

We like Favors and Anderson, and Gallinari and Ibaka are other trade options too.

[NavLDO]

I could see something like

DLee to the Suns
Haywood expiring to Celtics
Tucker to Cavs

I'd be down for that for sure.

I wouldn't like that trade. If we trade Tucker or Markieff I want a player with potential coming to the Suns. Someone like Cody Zeller or Porzingis.
Players like David Lee at this point of his career are easy to find in FA. I don't think he is better than Amare or Jordan Hill, for example.

Good point - I keep forgetting Hill is out there - I'd rather give him something like 2yr $10m. He's active, very good rebounder, from Az and is still relatively young at 27.

Yep, it almost makes too much sense, but I still get the feeling a BIG trade is in the works. I don't think McD is going to be satisfied with Tyson Chandler being the pinnacle of our off-season. I know July 9th is the date we are all waiting for, but trade agreements are happening all over the place.

I still say Bledsoe + Markieff + the 2016 Cavs pick back for Love + Dellavedova would make a lot of sense. Then sign Hill. Equals Chandler/Love/Warren/Tucker/Knight-1st Team; Len/Hill/Leuer/Goodwin/Dellavedova-2nd Team

Can Goodwin play an SF? His Wingspan/Reach is comparable to Warren and Booker. Anyway, that's one option.

OR

Bledsoe + Markieff + Len +(...who cares, we get Cousins and Gay!!) for Cousins + Gay + Collison; then sign Ish and Hill. Equals Collison/Knight/Gay/Hill/Cousins-1st Team; Ish/Goodwin/Warren/Tucker/Chandler.

[BobbieL]

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Good update on cap space -- but one key thing - the Suns only have his cap space IF they do something before Brandon Knight sigs.

And tomorrow is the day that these transactions take place. Now, of course, the Suns could hold off signng Brandon Knight until later this summer (they also haven't signed Booker yet) -- but more than likely, today or tomorrow, one would think is when the next domino(s) start to fall to use that cap space.

Back to Amico and the Suns wanting the Haywood deal - I know I mentioned Joe Johnson but its probably more to flip Haywood say for a team wanting to save 10m. Washington was looking to get savings on Nene -would that three team deal work?

Phx : Nene
Cleve Kieff
Washington: Nene

[BobbieL]

I could see something like

DLee to the Suns
Haywood expiring to Celtics
Tucker to Cavs

I'd be down for that for sure.

I wouldn't like that trade. If we trade Tucker or Markieff I want a player with potential coming to the Suns. Someone like Cody Zeller or Porzingis.
Players like David Lee at this point of his career are easy to find in FA. I don't think he is better than Amare or Jordan Hill, for example.

Good point - I keep forgetting Hill is out there - I'd rather give him something like 2yr $10m. He's active, very good rebounder, from Az and is still relatively young at 27.

Today, the Suns have the 7m of cap space plus the Dragic trade exception as not counting on any trades . And they only have the cap space - pre Knight. But I would take Jordan Hill on a two year deal for $10m or so.

Kieff is the X Factor right now I know he is the only true PF on the roster but will his mental state of mind be.

[TASTIC]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Good update on cap space -- but one key thing - the Suns only have his cap space IF they do something before Brandon Knight sigs.

And tomorrow is the day that these transactions take place. Now, of course, the Suns could hold off signng Brandon Knight until later this summer (they also haven't signed Booker yet) -- but more than likely, today or tomorrow, one would think is when the next domino(s) start to fall to use that cap space.

Back to Amico and the Suns wanting the Haywood deal - I know I mentioned Joe Johnson but its probably more to flip Haywood say for a team wanting to save 10m. Washington was looking to get savings on Nene -would that three team deal work?

Phx : Nene
Cleve Kieff
Washington: Nene

Nene?! Yuck - would be a horrible fit next to Chandler, not to mention he had a serious decline last year and is ALWAYS hurt plus he'll be 33 when season starts.

If we're moving Kieff it HAS to be for either a stretch 4 or a guy with upside...Nene is neneither

[carey]

Hell, just thinking about it, maybe Alec Brown will make the team as the third PF/C and we stay as is. Just shoot, rebound and play defense.

Huh. He'd have had to improved leaps and bounds over the Summer. He was fairly invisible in the D League games I watched. Some decent plays but even your average D League player makes a couple of nice plays a game. He's got a very, very long way to go.

Huh....thus the word maybe and third PF/C

You can roll your eyes all you want mate. He'd have to improve tremendously from last year to even be capable of a 3rd PF/C role on an NBA team. I'm not sure how that didn't come across in my OP.

[BobbieL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/618748895837978624[/tweet]

Good update on cap space -- but one key thing - the Suns only have his cap space IF they do something before Brandon Knight sigs.

And tomorrow is the day that these transactions take place. Now, of course, the Suns could hold off signng Brandon Knight until later this summer (they also haven't signed Booker yet) -- but more than likely, today or tomorrow, one would think is when the next domino(s) start to fall to use that cap space.

Back to Amico and the Suns wanting the Haywood deal - I know I mentioned Joe Johnson but its probably more to flip Haywood say for a team wanting to save 10m. Washington was looking to get savings on Nene -would that three team deal work?

Phx : Nene
Cleve Kieff
Washington: Nene

Nene?! Yuck - would be a horrible fit next to Chandler, not to mention he had a serious decline last year and is ALWAYS hurt plus he'll be 33 when season starts.

If we're moving Kieff it HAS to be for either a stretch 4 or a guy with upside...Nene is neneither

Good points about Nene. So, at this point - -I think if the Suns keep Kieff, the guy to sign is Jordan Hill and not Amare. I know the story of Amare returning would be nice but the Suns would need a "thumper 4" off the bench more than Amare. Jordan would bring more defense and rebounding.

So, if you keep Kieff and hope he is okay without Mook: start him with Tucker and Tyson so they can cover up for his lack of defense

Sign a guy like Hill and he can play with Warren and Len.

Not Aldrdige but not the worst thing

But today, as the Coro articl suggests, maybe a Ryan Anderson is out there and Kieff goes to Cleveland and the expiring Haywood t the Pelicans for them to save 8m bucks

[alphagorilla]

Are Houston still trying to get rid of Terrence Jones? give them a pick for him

[bwgood77]

Any speculation on trades for the likes of Ryan Anderson, Derrick Favors and Danilo Gallinari seems unlikely at this point.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/07/07/phoenix-suns-lamarcus-aldridge-free-agents-ryan-anderson-trade-nba/29843289/

We like Favors and Anderson, and Gallinari and Ibaka are other trade options too.

Yeah, Coro reads this board.

[bwgood77]

Huh. He'd have had to improved leaps and bounds over the Summer. He was fairly invisible in the D League games I watched. Some decent plays but even your average D League player makes a couple of nice plays a game. He's got a very, very long way to go.

Huh....thus the word maybe and third PF/C

You can roll your eyes all you want mate. He'd have to improve tremendously from last year to even be capable of a 3rd PF/C role on an NBA team. I'm not sure how that didn't come across in my OP.

He was one of the worst players on our D league team, so cracking our roster is less than 1% chance, barring a miracle.

[carey]

Yeah, Coro reads this board.

Or, you know, they are obvious targets.

[RunDogGun]

Huh....thus the word maybe and third PF/C

You can roll your eyes all you want mate. He'd have to improve tremendously from last year to even be capable of a 3rd PF/C role on an NBA team. I'm not sure how that didn't come across in my OP.

He was one of the worst players on our D league team, so cracking our roster is less than 1% chance, barring a miracle.

Well that will be a matter of opinion as to what we are looking for in a deep bench player. Alec did average two blocks a game in the DLeague, and we know he has range, so it might be worth signing, and keep him mainly in the DLeague to develop more of a game.