Question: How Do We Feel About Mickeys Spending?

walk with me · Post #1 » by **walk with me** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 3:16 pm

How do you guys feel about Mickys spending habits. This summer could prove to be pivotal as we have one of the most stacked starting line ups in miami heat history. Do you guys think Micky should say F it and pay a deep fine in tax or are you fine with him not spending as much to stay under the cap or pay a little bit in tax.

gom · Post #2 » by **gom** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 3:21 pm

"one of the most stacked lineups in Miami Heat history"?

Keep your powder dry.

walk with me · Post #3 » by **walk with me** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 3:50 pm

gom wrote:"one of the most stacked lineups in Miami Heat history"?

Keep your powder dry.

lol keep my power dry? really? good attitude bro

so you're telling me we have had 3 better starting line ups all time than what we will start this year?

delanka · Post #4 » by **delanka** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:06 pm

walk with me wrote:
gom wrote:"one of the most stacked lineups in Miami Heat history"?

Keep your powder dry.

lol keep my power dry? really? good attitude bro

so you're telling me we have had 3 better starting line ups all time than what we will start this year?

my Ranking:
01).
2013/2014
Mario Chalmers (PG), Dwyane Wade (SG), Shane Battier (SF), Lebron James (PF) and Chris Bosh (C)
or
Mario Chalmers (PG), Dwyane Wade (SG), Ray Allen (SF), Lebron James (PF) and Chris Bosh (C)

02).
2015/2016:
Goran Dragic (PG), Dwyane Wade (SG), Luol Deng (SF), Chris Bosh (PF) and Hassan Whiteside (C)

03).
2005/2006:
Jason Williams (PG),Dwyane Wade (SG), Antoine Walker (SF), Udonis Haslem (PF) and Shaquille O'Neal (C)

HIF · Post #5 » by **HIF** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:06 pm

It's not my money.

Pay, Pay, Pay.

ifrosty13 · Post #6 » by **ifrosty13** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:09 pm

I understand his position. Doesn't want to throw away millions of dollars every year. This year he's willing to pay the repeaters tax because it will be almost impossible to pay the next two years and possibly further than that when these contracts were signing now start to look like bargains.

I'm sure he doesn't mind paying the luxury tax for the right team, but with it being so punitive now, it's not smart business to do like the Cavs are doing and overpay everybody.

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Post #7 » by **DefenseWins** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:18 pm

you guys realize with the cap going up, Micky will inevitably spend more in the future

Why spend an additional 40mil (repeater tax?) to keep Rio and Bird when you can use that money to pay Whiteside next season, then someone else the season after that

They kept Goran, kept Wade (and he will stay), overpaid Bosh but then kept him, and more to come.

I think things have been fine. Pay for the right people.

WD · Post #8 » by WD » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:37 pm

One of the things I admire about this organization is that IT DOESN'T usually overpay for people they feel are not starters. Pat Riley has been very old school when it comes to shelling out money for non starters and actually the other teams tend to overpay for players.

Everyone wants to trade or get rid of Anderson/Rio/McRob, but when you look at what other teams pay for similar players, they are a bargain to the HEAT. But, I feel that sometimes the HEAT don't maximum the talents of the role players, thus they appear to be useless.

I think Mr. Ariaon has spent in the past for the right guy and will spend in the future for the right guy. His net worth shouldn't have anything to do with his basketball operations.

That's my 2 cents

Post #9 » by **KingDavid** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:02 pm

He doesn't write my checks so I don't give a fk what he does.

Our current starting five is the best in heat history and currently the best group of 5 players on an nba team. All top 100 in PER.

I hope we can keep our group together as is and see where we go with them. Rather not have a dead bench. Yes, that includes bone head Rio. He will be back on the bench with much less pressure to preform. I think he'll be fine this season and may turn into a valuable trade target. He's a great backup that can feast on other backups, but a bad starter.

We might be trying to make moves for roster space for Willie Reed and Dorell Wright. Cut Walker, trade birdman.

xStanton27 · Post #10 » by **xStanton27** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:05 pm

The team has to perform THIS year if we want any chance at the amazing free agents next summer.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #11 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:06 pm

He is making money. The less tax he pays, the more money he makes. I am disappointed that financial moves have forced pat's hand.

gom · Post #12 » by **gom** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:25 pm

I think it only makes sense to go way over the luxury tax if we have a team that is a true contender. That remains to be proven. I doubt if Mickey Arison would have a problem spending if it is for the right player, but going into the luxury tax to bring in Jamal Crawford (as some here have suggested) is just stupid. It doesn't matter whether it's your money or not. It's stupid and doesn't make the team better.

HIF · Post #13 » by **HIF** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:24 pm

I have no problem with him not signing someone in order to keep out of the tax bill. I only have a problem if he is trading players away for tax considerations. If he basically moves Bird and Rio just to save on his bill - which is to the detriment of the team I think that's bad. If he trades them for a player of greater need then I have no problem.

Heat3 · Post #14 » by **Heat3** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:49 pm

I have ZERO issues with how he runs the team and how much he is willing to spend. If the man doesn't want to pay for a couple of bums at the end of the bench then it's fine with me. He has shown that he spends on quality players when it counts and has the results to prove it. Some guys spend like crazy with nothing to show for it.

It's also stupid imo to judge how much an owner spends on his team based on his accumulated lifetime wealth much of it isn't even liquid. Does anyone really expect him to start selling off shares of carnival cruise lines just to pay nba salaries? Teams are businesses and they should stand on their own.

The only thing Arison has ever done that I was against was ask for public funding of the AAA.

Now Jeffrey Loria.....

Heat3 · Post #15 » by **Heat3** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:56 pm

i believe Mickey was the one that came up with the luxury tax in the first place. It's meant to keep owners from over spending. Of course he's going to approach it a certain way. They've since made the penalties much harsher. I can see why he want to stay out of it.

Post #16 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:22 pm

HIF wrote:I have no problem with him not signing someone in order to keep out of the tax bill. I only have a problem if he is trading players away for tax considerations. If he basically moves Bird and Rio just to save on his bill - which is to the detriment of the team I think that's bad. If he trades them for a player of greater need then I have no problem.

No reason to get into repeater tax this year in order to retain Bird and Chalmers. The clock restarts next year and we can go well into the luxury tax without paying triple. It just comes down to smart business.

HIF · Post #17 » by **HIF** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:53 pm

Panda Friend 51 wrote:
HIF wrote:I have no problem with him not signing someone in order to keep out of the tax bill. I only have a problem if he is trading players away for tax considerations. If he basically moves Bird and Rio just to save on his bill - which is to the detriment of the team I think that's bad. If he trades them for a player of greater need then I have no problem.

No reason to get into repeater tax this year in order to retain Bird and Chalmers. The clock restarts next year and we can go well into the luxury tax without paying triple. It just comes down to smart business.

As a businessman I understand financial responsibility but as a Miami Heat fan I can't accept dumping bird and Rio for tax reasons.

Dumping them makes us a worse team and wastes another year of Wade's career (and every other Heat player). I want us to contend for the East which we can and should. If we don't upgrade on Rio and Bird I want them in.

WD · Post #18 » by WD » Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:58 pm

^Look at it from your business experience and not as a fan. I'm sure Mr. Arison looks at his TOTAL business models rather than just the Miami Heat. I think if you were in a similar situation with all of the facts in front of you, you'd consider saving money by being more fiscally responsible even if it meant "appearing cheap" as I am sure Mr. Arison shares your thoughts and wants us to contend every year.

walk with me · Post #19 » by **walk with me** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:26 pm

HIF wrote:
Panda Friend 51 wrote:
HIF wrote:I have no problem with him not signing someone in order to keep out of the tax bill. I only have a problem if he is trading players away for tax considerations. If he basically moves Bird and Rio just to save on his bill - which is to the detriment of the team I think that's bad. If he trades them for a player of greater need then I have no problem.

No reason to get into repeater tax this year in order to retain Bird and Chalmers. The clock restarts next year and we can go well into the luxury tax without paying triple. It just comes down to smart business.

As a businessman I understand financial responsibility but as a Miami Heat fan I can't accept dumping bird and Rio for tax reasons.

Dumping them makes us a worse team and wastes another year of Wade's career (and every other Heat player). I want us to contend for the East which we can and should. If we don't upgrade on Rio and Bird I want them in.

i agree with this 100%. Keeping bird and rio around only helps our depth and micky is only paying that extra dough for 1 year. If we make a deep playoffs run its definintely worth it to me. I assume we would make the money back after 1 or 2 games in the ECFs

SCHeat · Post #20 » by **SCHeat** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 10:22 pm

He's never actually proven to be cheap. There's a reason we are the he first and only team to earn the repeater tax

Amnestying mike miller was really the only example I could think of. And the Joel Anthony trade. But both of those guys were washed up and end of the bench players. Even with both we still lose to the spurs in 2014

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