DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[ChargerMan]

So if one player does this, which has been done a handful of times in the league, it equates to no ethics in basketball?

Okay.

Its not one player, its the background scene that has me concerned. How did it ever come to pass that an agent would demand that a team trade their superstar for a resigning. How often does this happen? Its the collusion and recruiting that is obviously a pretty intense emotional experience. Every team is trying to win and every player is trying to make money, but at the end of the day, the ethical character of the entire NBA is in question today. Who knows what the next revelation will be from this debacle.

I think you may need to relax a bit. It's just normal business.

You would think on a board such as realgm people would know this has happened before, have these posters never kept up with free agency?

[Nowitness]

Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.

The only agreement that counts in the NBA is a signed one. Dallas understands this. If they want to avoid the risk of a player backing out, they have the choice to wait until the moratorium period is over before talking to free agents.

They could've let DJ know they were interested, and asked him to wait a week before meeting with them. The Mavs chose not to and accepted the risks that are well known to them.

Uh....if they don't talk to him then, who signs him? And what risks are there? This has happened maybe a combined 10 times in the history of free agency.

[EntropyPR]

DJ is setting himself, or has already, to negotiate against himself in 4 or 5 years because NBA teams are going to remember this fiasco.

[NBAfan3024]

Maybe Paul is saying sorry why else would you accept 80 million instead of 109?

[Ponchos]

Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.

Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.

This isn't high school, you're acting like this was some peer pressure stuff. Jordan should be able to shut everything down and think hard about his choice before he commits to anything.

It's not high school. But it is pressure.

If it wasn't pressure there wouldn't be wining and dining. There wouldn't be players flying in to kiss DJ's ass. All people are susceptible to pressure, it's the reason sales and marketing professionals exist.

The magic wore off after one day, so the Mav's didn't do a good enough job convincing him.

[Ponchos]

DJ is setting himself, or has already, to negotiate against himself in 4 or 5 years because NBA teams are going to remember this fiasco.

Yeah no they won't.

[Nowitness]

Maybe Paul is saying sorry why else would you accept 80 million instead of 109?

That all apparently evened out w/ taxes.

[Ponchos]

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.

The only agreement that counts in the NBA is a signed one. Dallas understands this. If they want to avoid the risk of a player backing out, they have the choice to wait until the moratorium period is over before talking to free agents.

They could've let DJ know they were interested, and asked him to wait a week before meeting with them. The Mavs chose not to and accepted the risks that are well known to them.

Yeah, your idea makes complete sense. Teams should just not talk to free agents until July 9th. I also think the teams should offer contracts to multiple players and then choose the one they prefer on the 9th.

They are totally in their rights to do so.

[AirP.]

How big of a problem would this be if the team backed out at the last second and a max FA no longer had any options to sign for the max anywhere?

It would be bad but completely legal.

There will be ramifications because of a hit to their reputation, but if they want to accept that then what's the issue?

You don't think it would give the NBA a black eye and with that, the NBA would step in to stop this from happening again? A company gets screwed over by an individual nobody cares, a company screws over an individual tons of people care. Sure it's legal but is it ethical?

[Dominator83]

I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.

Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.

Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.

Nobody pressured anybody. He made a choice on his own free will and agreed to sign with the Mavs. Be a man of your word. If he wasn't sure he could have just said that he'll need a few days to think about it.

[Yuri Vaultin]

If he rejoins the Clippers his word ain't worth a damn. If a man gives you his word, you hold him to that. It's really that simple.

[Ponchos]

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.

The only agreement that counts in the NBA is a signed one. Dallas understands this. If they want to avoid the risk of a player backing out, they have the choice to wait until the moratorium period is over before talking to free agents.

They could've let DJ know they were interested, and asked him to wait a week before meeting with them. The Mavs chose not to and accepted the risks that are well known to them.

Uh....if they don't talk to him then, who signs him? And what risks are there? This has happened maybe a combined 10 times in the history of free agency.

Exactly, it's low risk. So why are people freaking out exactly? This happens very rarely, it's not really a huge deal.

[Dominator83]

I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.

Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.

Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.

Nobody pressured anybody. He made a choice on his own free will and agreed to sign with the Mavs. Be a man of your word. If he wasn't sure he could have just said that he'll need a few days to think about it.

[EntropyPR]

DJ is setting himself, or has already, to negotiate against himself in 4 or 5 years because NBA teams are going to remember this fiasco.

Yeah no they won't.

Of course they will, do you think they wont use this to lowball him in 5 years? Of course they will, they are businessmen and will use anything they can to save some $$ add that in 5 years DeAndre won't be as young as he is now which won't help him.

[NBAfan3024]

Maybe Paul is saying sorry why else would you accept 80 million instead of 109?

That all apparently evened out w/ taxes.

Does it?

[Ponchos]

How big of a problem would this be if the team backed out at the last second and a max FA no longer had any options to sign for the max anywhere?

It would be bad but completely legal.

There will be ramifications because of a hit to their reputation, but if they want to accept that then what's the issue?

You don't think it would give the NBA a black eye and with that, the NBA would step in to stop this from happening again? A company gets screwed over by an individual nobody cares, a company screws over an individual tons of people care. Sure it's legal but is it ethical?

Well I think you've answered why it doesn't happen.

[ChargerMan]

How big of a problem would this be if the team backed out at the last second and a max FA no longer had any options to sign for the max anywhere?

It would be bad but completely legal.

There will be ramifications because of a hit to their reputation, but if they want to accept that then what's the issue?

You don't think it would give the NBA a black eye and with that, the NBA would step in to stop this from happening again? A company gets screwed over by an individual nobody cares, a company screws over an individual tons of people care. Sure it's legal but is it ethical?

Did the NBA change the rules after the Turkoglu to Toronto fiasco?!?! You do know this has happened before right?

[Ponchos]

DJ is setting himself, or has already, to negotiate against himself in 4 or 5 years because NBA teams are going to remember this fiasco.

Yeah no they won't.

Of course they will, do you think they wont use this to lowball him in 5 years? Of course they will, they are businessmen and will use anything they can to save some $$ add that in 5 years DeAndre won't be as young as he is now which won't help him.

If you don't think Steve Ballmer will open up his wallet again to DJ in 5 years you're on drugs. Teams make decisions based on what will help them, if a GM wants to keep their job and improve their team holding some petty grudge is unprofessional.

[tms386]

Maybe Paul is saying sorry why else would you accept 80 million instead of 109?

He didn't want the 5 year contract.

[ChargerMan]

If he rejoins the Clippers his word ain't worth a damn. If a man gives you his word, you hold him to that. It's really that simple.

LOL you guys signed Turkoglu after he committed to another team verbally, did you burn your Raptors jersey?