DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[NBA Fan 1234]

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If DJ puts the Clippers through this and still signs with Dallas.....

If he stays with his deal in Dallas (like i think he should)I keep thinking of the Trojan War where Achilles drags Hector on his chariot around the camp / in front of the Trojans - DJ = Achilles dragging around Hector (LAC) in front of the entire league to see.

[JB2]

Clippers as an organization needed to let this one go, as hard as that is to do. I understand the desire to try and win him back at all costs but going back and trying to sway him back to LA is sorta a slap in the face to the Mavs and in turn the entire free agent process. I guarantee other GM's around the league just lost even more respect for the Clipper franchise. Whatever they had left.

Clippers and Deandre just put a HUGE target on their backs.

As a Laker fan, this better not change things with Indiana and Hibbert.

Not to be a dick, but really? What does Hibbert matter to the Lakers? 3 more wins to get them to 28 on the year? You should hope Hibbert goes back to Indiana so the Lakers can get the top pick, instead of #3.

Hibbert makes a world of difference right now.

Bigs: Upshaw, Sacre, Black, Randle, Nance, Kelly.

Is he a 15 game difference make, probably not but he is the only semblance of a big on the roster.

[Froob]

Maybe players can put $500,000 or so in escrow once they verbaly accept that they will get if they sign on the dotted line. People might think harder about verbal offers and acceptances if they had some skin in the game. I'd still expect Jordan would have messed this up though.

They should change the rule to make it so verbal agreements are binding and cannot be changed unless both sides want to change it to a sign & trade. Have the owners/gm record the verbal agreements and there's no problem anymore I would think. Might be more technical stuff to make that impossible.

or when Free Agency starts you should be able to sign them.. It is ridiculous you could even go back on an agreement like that, This screws the mavs over big time, what can they even do with their new found cap space? Cuban even said that if it was not for DJ and WEs they might of tanked or what not, they can't just undue that now..

I like it better this way because it leaves you room to make some sign and trades if you want to preserve your TPEs. But, they need to make verbal agreements bindings. Hoping NBAPA wouldn't oppose. I think most agents weren't tarnish their reputation by doing it anyways but there should be a rule. Surprised DJ's agent has let this happen considering Cuban has taken great care of his clients.

[IggyStardust]

i really doubt there would be any claim for promissory estoppel. the mavericks are a shrewd business organization, negotiating huge deals, and operate under a set of rules which preclude legal enforcement. there's really no way they can claim reliance.

Admittedly we don't know what they said, and it's fair to expect both sides acted well aware of league rules, but nevertheless verbal contracts are legally binding, and clauses in written agreements have been known to be struck out when contested in court.

Not that it will be...

subjective assent, verbal or otherwise, does not imply a contract. there was no contract, unless the provisions in the CBA which preclude contracting during the period is found to be unenforceable, the consideration of our alleged contract was payment and employment (rather than agreeing to a future contract after the period), and all the other requirements of a contract are satisfied, including exceptions to the statute of frauds.

there may have been a 'verbal' promise, but given that the context and parties are precisely those which would be understood to bargain contractually, no one will recover reliance damages.

[clippertown]

And your slanderous posts about the Mavs-don't start that up again. I cut you a ton of slack on that on the Trade Forum already.

I am not trying to create waves, but this is a basketball board where everything should be able to be discussed openly. I am not going to start a thread on it, but information is being reported that does not put Dallas in a great light.

Michael Eaves is reporting that Dan Fegan and Cuban are best buds. That DJ's family strongly encouraged him to stay with LAC but Fegan was pushing DJ heavily to Dallas. He also reported that Fegan has a wink wink agreement with Cuban after he failed to deliver Howard last year that he would deliver DJ this year. Keep in mind, DJ left $29M on the table which seems a bit strange.

Time will tell if everything is above board, but if Fegan and Cuban had a deal in place on a contracted player belonging to another team, that is not within the rules of the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement. That's all I am saying on the matter.

[YogurtProducer]

So could a team go back on a deal as well? Could TOR be like ha Just kidding Carroll, have fun finding a new team?

[Froob]

I'm waiting for Pat Riley to get involved.

Well they don't call him Pat the rat for no reason.

[Edrees]

Clippers as an organization needed to let this one go, as hard as that is to do. I understand the desire to try and win him back at all costs but going back and trying to sway him back to LA is sorta a slap in the face to the Mavs and in turn the entire free agent process. I guarantee other GM's around the league just lost even more respect for the Clipper franchise. Whatever they had left.

Clippers and Deandre just put a HUGE target on their backs.

As a Laker fan, this better not change things with Indiana and Hibbert.

Not to be a dick, but really? What does Hibbert matter to the Lakers? 3 more wins to get them to 28 on the year? You should hope Hibbert goes back to Indiana so the Lakers can get the top pick, instead of #3.

I'm gonna have to put this in my sig. Lakers don't own their pick unless it's a top 3 lottery pick, Philadelphia does. They have zero incentive to lose games because we aren't going to be top 3 bad again. Heck we weren't even top 3 bad last year, we just lot lucky in the lottery. So yes, we want Hibbert to give us an extra 5 wins. I'd rather have 5 more wins than 5 losses, any fan of a team that does not own their pick would want this.

[Texas Chuck]

And your slanderous posts about the Mavs-don't start that up again. I cut you a ton of slack on that on the Trade Forum already.

I am not trying to create waves, but this is a basketball board where everything should be able to be discussed openly. I am not going to start a thread on it, but information is being reported that does not put Dallas in a great light.

Michael Eaves is reporting that Dan Fegan and Cuban are best buds. That DJ's family strongly encouraged him to stay with LAC but Fegan was pushing DJ heavily to Dallas. He also reported that Fegan has a wink wink agreement with Cuban after he failed to deliver Howard last year that he would deliver DJ this year. Keep in mind, DJ left $29M on the table which seems a bit strange.

Time will tell if everything is above board, but if Fegan and Cuban had a deal in place on a contracted player belonging to another team, that is not within the rules of the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement. That's all I am saying on the matter.

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yeah I'll side with STein over you methinks

[JDizzel3000]

The meeting has ended, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard. Chris Paul was emotional during the meeting, a source in the room told Broussard. Paul told Jordan he had no idea he felt negatively about him and that he thought they were "brothers." He said he'd work to get Jordan more involved in the offense and that the Clippers couldn't move forward without him.

You can't make this stuff up

[stepbackjftw]

We never have teams fighting over wesley johnson tho

[MartinToVaught]

The meeting has ended, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard. Chris Paul was emotional during the meeting, a source in the room told Broussard. Paul told Jordan he had no idea he felt negatively about him and that he thought they were "brothers." He said he'd work to get Jordan more involved in the offense and that the Clippers couldn't move forward without him.

You can't make this stuff up

It's Chris Broussard. He does make this stuff up.

[TroubleS0me]

its only right..
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[JDizzel3000]

The meeting has ended, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard. Chris Paul was emotional during the meeting, a source in the room told Broussard. Paul told Jordan he had no idea he felt negatively about him and that he thought they were "brothers." He said he'd work to get Jordan more involved in the offense and that the Clippers couldn't move forward without him.

You can't make this stuff up

It's Chris Broussard. He does make this stuff up.

Ahhhhhhhh yesss touché Indeed

[spaceballer]

So could a team go back on a deal as well? Could TOR be like ha Just kidding Carroll, have fun finding a new team?

Technically, they could because no agreements are allowed before the moratorium ends, but they won't.

It would be franchise suicide because you burn your bridges with all future free agents since they wouldn't be able to trust you in negotiations. You'd get spurned the way free agents are spurning the Kings, except ten times worse, and the price premium for getting anyone would go up to account for the risk that you might renege.

For players, it doesn't matter if they burn their bridges and credibility with the other 29 teams, as long as the 1 team signs with them after they reneged. A player only has to sign a contract with 1 team, while a team has to sign with lots and lots of players.

[Froob]

Clippers as an organization needed to let this one go, as hard as that is to do. I understand the desire to try and win him back at all costs but going back and trying to sway him back to LA is sorta a slap in the face to the Mavs and in turn the entire free agent process. I guarantee other GM's around the league just lost even more respect for the Clipper franchise. Whatever they had left.

Clippers and Deandre just put a HUGE target on their backs.

As a Laker fan, this better not change things with Indiana and Hibbert.

Not to be a dick, but really? What does Hibbert matter to the Lakers? 3 more wins to get them to 28 on the year? You should hope Hibbert goes back to Indiana so the Lakers can get the top pick, instead of #3.

I'm gonna have to put this in my sig. Lakers don't own their pick unless it's a top 3 lottery pick, Philadelphia does. They have zero incentive to lose games because we aren't going to be top 3 bad again. Heck we weren't even top 3 bad last year, we just lot lucky in the lottery. So yes, we want Hibbert to give us an extra 5 wins. I'd rather have 5 more wins than 5 losses, any fan of a team that does not own their pick would want this.

I just don't see much point in a non playoff team getting him tbh. If he has a good season do you trust him enough to sign him long term? Guy is mentally weak (I actually like the guy just think he has low self confidence).

[jbk1234]

And your slanderous posts about the Mavs-don't start that up again. I cut you a ton of slack on that on the Trade Forum already.

I am not trying to create waves, but this is a basketball board where everything should be able to be discussed openly. I am not going to start a thread on it, but information is being reported that does not put Dallas in a great light.

Michael Eaves is reporting that Dan Fegan and Cuban are best buds. That DJ's family strongly encouraged him to stay with LAC but Fegan was pushing DJ heavily to Dallas. He also reported that Fegan has a wink wink agreement with Cuban after he failed to deliver Howard last year that he would deliver DJ this year. Keep in mind, DJ left $29M on the table which seems a bit strange.

Time will tell if everything is above board, but if Fegan and Cuban had a deal in place on a contracted player belonging to another team, that is not within the rules of the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement. That's all I am saying on the matter.

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yeah I'll side with STein over you methinks

Yeah I suspected that was being overblown so that someone besides the Clippers/DeAndre would wear the black hat. Because the relationship between Fegan and the Clippers is probably irreparable at this point. So if Fegan leaves his money on the table and quits, the Clippers will say what they did was fair because Fegan was pushing DJ towards Dallas. The only potential legal liability the Clippers face is from Fegan. He has a contract with his client, the Clippers aren't suppose to directly communicate with his client, and if Fegan and DJ part ways, the Clippers are exposed.

[Edrees]

Not to be a dick, but really? What does Hibbert matter to the Lakers? 3 more wins to get them to 28 on the year? You should hope Hibbert goes back to Indiana so the Lakers can get the top pick, instead of #3.

I'm gonna have to put this in my sig. Lakers don't own their pick unless it's a top 3 lottery pick, Philadelphia does. They have zero incentive to lose games because we aren't going to be top 3 bad again. Heck we weren't even top 3 bad last year, we just lot lucky in the lottery. So yes, we want Hibbert to give us an extra 5 wins. I'd rather have 5 more wins than 5 losses, any fan of a team that does not own their pick would want this.

I just don't see much point in a non playoff team getting him tbh. If he has a good season do you trust him enough to sign him long term? Guy is mentally weak (I actually like the guy just think he has low self confidence).

To make the games more entertaining for your fans? To build a defensive culture? There are a ton of reasons.

[INKtastic]

its only right..
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have Balmer and Cuban play one on one for it

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[RussellandFlow]

RE: CP3 being emotional. It's Chris "Sauces" Broussard I don't trust anything that clown says.