Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[UneducatedFan86]

I'm telling you guys Masai is about to redeem himself tomorrow.

Realistically speaking, what do you think he'll do tomorrow? Besides have a presser with Carroll and Joseph.

[WigginsNation]

Gerald Green to 4m/1yr

Ross for T.Jones

Jv/Biyombo/Bebe
Jones/PPat/Bruno
Carroll/JJ/Daniels
DD/Green/Powell
Lowry/Joseph/Wright

I like.

Ross for Terrence Jones isnt happening lol.
I think teams have noticed how meh of a player Ross is. I sadly doubt we'll get much value back for him.

Tross and Casey are the only guys left on the team that i want gone! So far Masai's offseason grade has been a fail, simply because the aforementioned two are still on our team and likely will be when training camp starts.

[agentzero2010]

Could we get Jamal Crawford (5.8million expiring) for a 2015 first round pick + 5.8 million trade exception? Clippers already have 66 million guaranteed next season plus they added Stephenson and Wesley Johnson and Paul Pierce. Their wing position is absolutely stacked right now with Pierce/Stephenson/Reddick/Crawford/Johnson/Hamilton and they should be looking to shed salary to avoid steep luxury tax. Crawford is still just 35 years old and his numbers were almost identical to Lou's numbers last season. He's a bigger and longer body and he's a savvy vet just like Lou but at just 5.8 million? He would be an absolute steal.

Trade the 2016 Clippers pick or our own 2015 first round pick for Crawford, I mean what are we going to do with all these 20-30th picks? draft more Delon Wrights or Brunos? Plus we simply can't fit all these rookies (4 first round picks in next 2 drafts) on a winning team and it would be idiotic to put them all on the Raptors905.

Joseph/Crawford/JJ/Patterson/Biyombo would be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams. A good mix of offensive explosion and defensive toughness. I dig it.

There's no way I would give up a 1st for Crawford. For a 1st, I would want Reddick.

Not everyone is a Vivek Ranadive or James Dolan; you have to give the team some value in a trade, otherwise no one will trade with you. A lot of teams would be more than happy to trade a first round pick for Jamal Crawford if the have the cap space or trade exceptions to absorb his 5.8 million expiring. You don't think he's worth a 20th pick if he drops 14/3/2-3pt/40%FG/90%FT next season? Late first round picks usually take a year or 2, sometimes even more to develop into serviceable players and they have a high potential to become busts and we need talent right now. Why not gamble a little bit? We have 4 in the next 2 years, 4! Especially when scoring off the bench and perimeter shooting seems to be the biggest weakness on this current roster. He's essentially a bigger and longer Lou, he would be a good fit.

Also, Remember how the Suns had 3 first round picks in last year's supposed "stacked" draft? Can you name all 3 without looking it up on Google?

[Morse Code]

I think a good GM would've been buying last year when even bad contracts were at numbers that would now be a steal. I don't know how many of them did that but from my memory it seems like OKC did. Houston as well maybe? Guys who people argued about whether they're worthy of their contract and also who have multiple years remaining, would've been ideal. Faried a year or two ago was considered a low value asset and a bad contract. I'd be looking to sign cheap young guys, and guys who are on long contracts and have low value because people believe they were unworthy of their contract. Too bad we did the opposite, but I'm going to wait and see what this team looks like before training camp, before making final judgement.

[TheRaptor!]

Would love Gerald Green on the team.

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Can we use the mid-level exception? Or is that for teams with no cap room?

[Naysorn]

I'm telling you guys Masai is about to redeem himself tomorrow.

What did he do wrong that he needs to redeem himself?

[Skeezo]

Saw Dhackett get a shout out on Wolstat's blog on the raptors current cap sheet. Props due!! There's no doubt Wolstat is realgm'er

[samuraix]

Could we get Jamal Crawford (5.8million expiring) for a 2015 first round pick + 5.8 million trade exception? Clippers already have 66 million guaranteed next season plus they added Stephenson and Wesley Johnson and Paul Pierce. Their wing position is absolutely stacked right now with Pierce/Stephenson/Reddick/Crawford/Johnson/Hamilton and they should be looking to shed salary to avoid steep luxury tax. Crawford is still just 35 years old and his numbers were almost identical to Lou's numbers last season. He's a bigger and longer body and he's a savvy vet just like Lou but at just 5.8 million? He would be an absolute steal.

Trade the 2016 Clippers pick or our own 2015 first round pick for Crawford, I mean what are we going to do with all these 20-30th picks? draft more Delon Wrights or Brunos? Plus we simply can't fit all these rookies (4 first round picks in next 2 drafts) on a winning team and it would be idiotic to put them all on the Raptors905.

Joseph/Crawford/JJ/Patterson/Biyombo would be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams. A good mix of offensive explosion and defensive toughness. I dig it.

There's no way I would give up a 1st for Crawford. For a 1st, I would want Reddick.

Not everyone is a Vivek Ranadive or James Dolan; you have to give the team some value in a trade, otherwise no one will trade with you. A lot of teams would be more than happy to trade a first round pick for Jamal Crawford if the have the cap space or trade exceptions to absorb his 5.8 million expiring. You don't think he's worth a 20th pick if he drops 14/3/2-3pt/40%FG/90%FT next season? Late first round picks usually take a year or 2, sometimes even more to develop into serviceable players and they have a high potential to become busts and we need talent right now. Why not gamble a little bit? We have 4 in the next 2 years, 4! Especially when scoring off the bench and perimeter shooting seems to be the biggest weakness on this current roster. He's essentially a bigger and longer Lou, he would be a good fit.

Also, Remember how the Suns had 3 first round picks in last year's supposed "stacked" draft? Can you name all 3 without looking it up on Google?

A 1st rounder is a asset regardless, he's 35, regressed last season, and on the last year of his contract. Not worth a 1st in my opinion. The pick should be used to get a big. This team doesn't need another Lou Williams to go ISO at the end of every quarter.

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[Rapsalot]

With the Scola add on & $70 mil cap do we have about $2 mil left with BB done on exception?

[refshateRaps]

Gerald Green to 4m/1yr

Ross for T.Jones

Jv/Biyombo/Bebe
Jones/PPat/Bruno
Carroll/JJ/Daniels
DD/Green/Powell
Lowry/Joseph/Wright

I like.

Ross for Terrence Jones isnt happening lol.
I think teams have noticed how meh of a player Ross is. I sadly doubt we'll get much value back for him.

Tross and Casey are the only guys left on the team that i want gone! So far Masai's offseason grade has been a fail, simply because the aforementioned two are still on our team and likely will be when training camp starts.

TRoss plus a protected 1st pick should net something nice

[dhackett1565]

With the Scola add on & $70 mil cap do we have about $2 mil left with BB done on exception?

2.6M if we waive de Colo's rights. Otherwise about 700k.

[The Nutz]

I think a good GM would've been buying last year when even bad contracts were at numbers that would now be a steal. I don't know how many of them did that but from my memory it seems like OKC did. Houston as well maybe? Guys who people argued about whether they're worthy of their contract and also who have multiple years remaining, would've been ideal. Faried a year or two ago was considered a low value asset and a bad contract. I'd be looking to sign cheap young guys, and guys who are on long contracts and have low value because people believe they were unworthy of their contract. Too bad we did the opposite, but I'm going to wait and see what this team looks like before training camp, before making final judgement.

So you want to build a team based solely on your contracts? Skill, fit, attitude, drive, need = all secondary for you?

Oh, and you are making 'FINAL JUDGEMENT" before training camp!? So, your judgement will not in any way be based on the actual performance of the team ?!

Wow, you make it sound so easy to put a team together!!

[Rapsfan07]

I think a good GM would've been buying last year when even bad contracts were at numbers that would now be a steal. I don't know how many of them did that but from my memory it seems like OKC did. Houston as well maybe? Guys who people argued about whether they're worthy of their contract and also who have multiple years remaining, would've been ideal. Faried a year or two ago was considered a low value asset and a bad contract. I'd be looking to sign cheap young guys, and guys who are on long contracts and have low value because people believe they were unworthy of their contract. Too bad we did the opposite, but I'm going to wait and see what this team looks like before training camp, before making final judgement.

So you want to build a team based solely on your contracts? Skill, fit, attitude, drive, need = all secondary for you?

Oh, and you are making 'FINAL JUDGEMENT" before training camp!? So, your judgement will not in any way be based on the actual performance of the team ?!

Wow, you make it sound so easy to put a team together!!

I'm pretty sure Morse Code isn't discounting the importance of fit, skill, attitude etc isn't important but seeing as how there is a salary cap, it wouldn't do is any harm getting undervalued contracts around the league.

Anyways, I agree as well. I was hoping, even before free agency started, that we would the capspace to trade for guys like Gallinari and Faried. I can't say I expected the contracts that were handed out to be as wild as they have been but I do know two things - first, Raptors have never attracted tier 1 free agents and second, when we do bring in a FA, we usually overpay. I can't speak for everyone but I know that given the lack of attainable star power in this past free agency, I would have rathered to trade for two known commodities. Faried's deal looked bad, yes but at least he was locked in for the next 4 years and Gallo expires next year, effectively rolling over our capspace to next year where we could try free agency when Durant is available and the cap has risen yet again. Not to mention, we'd be a fun team to watch in the meantime (if everyone stayed healthy), would probably win over 50 games and would go deeper in the playoffs. To me, it was such a no brainer, I expected it to happen... Especially after turning Vasquez into a first round pick.

Use the MLE on Joseph, Room exception on Biyombo, Thornton to something cheap to round the bench

Lowry/DeRozan/Gallinari/Faried/Valanciunas




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[navyblue]

I'm pretty sure Morse Code isn't discounting the importance of fit, skill, attitude etc isn't important but seeing as how there is a salary cap, it wouldn't do is any harm getting undervalued contracts around the league.

Anyways, I agree as well. I was hoping, even before free agency started, that we would the capspace to trade for guys like Gallinari and Faried. I can't say I expected the contracts that were handed out to be as wild as they have been but I do know two things - first, Raptors have never attracted tier 1 free agents and second, when we do bring in a FA, we usually overpay. I can't speak for everyone but I know that given the lack of attainable star power in this past free agency, I would have rathered to trade for two known commodities. Faried's deal looked bad, yes but at least he was locked in for the next 4 years and Gallo expires next year, effectively rolling over our capspace to next year where we could try free agency when Durant is available and the cap has risen yet again. Not to mention, we'd be a fun team to watch in the meantime (if everyone stayed healthy), would probably win over 50 games and would go deeper in the playoffs. To me, it was such a no brainer, I expected it to happen... Especially after turning Vasquez into a first round pick.

Use the MLE on Joseph, Room exception on Biyombo, Thornton to something cheap to round the bench

Lowry/DeRozan/Gallinari/Faried/Valanciunas

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that would have been terrible asset management. so you go under the cap and then trade assets to use the cap space. its great to post the starting lineup what it would look like. but what about the bench and future assets you would have given up. ppat and 2 first rounders, maybe bebe.

the team as currently constructed has a better 5 year outlook because of all the assets vs what you suggest.

[Morse Code]

I think a good GM would've been buying last year when even bad contracts were at numbers that would now be a steal. I don't know how many of them did that but from my memory it seems like OKC did. Houston as well maybe? Guys who people argued about whether they're worthy of their contract and also who have multiple years remaining, would've been ideal. Faried a year or two ago was considered a low value asset and a bad contract. I'd be looking to sign cheap young guys, and guys who are on long contracts and have low value because people believe they were unworthy of their contract. Too bad we did the opposite, but I'm going to wait and see what this team looks like before training camp, before making final judgement.

So you want to build a team based solely on your contracts? Skill, fit, attitude, drive, need = all secondary for you?

Oh, and you are making 'FINAL JUDGEMENT" before training camp!? So, your judgement will not in any way be based on the actual performance of the team ?!

Wow, you make it sound so easy to put a team together!!

1st off no, I never said or suggested that any of those things wouldn't be taken into account, or be "secondary". Who the hell builds a team without considering that stuff? You actually think I'm suggesting not worrying about skill, attitude, etc? lol get off your high horse bro.

2nd, I was clearly talking about "final judgement" with regards to our offseason moves. We knew this roster was going to be shaken up quite a bit this offseason, and although the results of the season are what matters, it's perfectly normal for fans to judge the moves made in the offseason, separately. I think these things are pretty obvious and I'm not sure why you jumped down my throat there and overreacted like that. To each his own I guess, but come on man wtf was that lol.

[The Nutz]

I think a good GM would've been buying last year when even bad contracts were at numbers that would now be a steal. I don't know how many of them did that but from my memory it seems like OKC did. Houston as well maybe? Guys who people argued about whether they're worthy of their contract and also who have multiple years remaining, would've been ideal. Faried a year or two ago was considered a low value asset and a bad contract. I'd be looking to sign cheap young guys, and guys who are on long contracts and have low value because people believe they were unworthy of their contract. Too bad we did the opposite, but I'm going to wait and see what this team looks like before training camp, before making final judgement.

So you want to build a team based solely on your contracts? Skill, fit, attitude, drive, need = all secondary for you?

Oh, and you are making 'FINAL JUDGEMENT" before training camp!? So, your judgement will not in any way be based on the actual performance of the team ?!

Wow, you make it sound so easy to put a team together!!

1st off no, I never said or suggested that any of those things wouldn't be taken into account, or be "secondary". Who the hell builds a team without considering that stuff? You actually think I'm suggesting not worrying about skill, attitude, etc? lol get off your high horse bro.

2nd, I was clearly talking about "final judgement" with regards to our offseason moves. We knew this roster was going to be shaken up quite a bit this offseason, and although the results of the season are what matters, it's perfectly normal for fans to judge the moves made in the offseason, separately. I think these things are pretty obvious and I'm not sure why you jumped down my throat there and overreacted like that. To each his own I guess, but come on man wtf was that lol.

You are talking about what a 'good GM would have done' and about making your 'FINAL JUDGEMENT' and you are telling me to get off my high horse. Tired of arm chair critics who think it's so easy to do better, like the players and other teams that are involved have no actual say in the matter. Unbelievable.

[Rapsfan07]

I'm pretty sure Morse Code isn't discounting the importance of fit, skill, attitude etc isn't important but seeing as how there is a salary cap, it wouldn't do is any harm getting undervalued contracts around the league.

Anyways, I agree as well. I was hoping, even before free agency started, that we would the capspace to trade for guys like Gallinari and Faried. I can't say I expected the contracts that were handed out to be as wild as they have been but I do know two things - first, Raptors have never attracted tier 1 free agents and second, when we do bring in a FA, we usually overpay. I can't speak for everyone but I know that given the lack of attainable star power in this past free agency, I would have rathered to trade for two known commodities. Faried's deal looked bad, yes but at least he was locked in for the next 4 years and Gallo expires next year, effectively rolling over our capspace to next year where we could try free agency when Durant is available and the cap has risen yet again. Not to mention, we'd be a fun team to watch in the meantime (if everyone stayed healthy), would probably win over 50 games and would go deeper in the playoffs. To me, it was such a no brainer, I expected it to happen... Especially after turning Vasquez into a first round pick.

Use the MLE on Joseph, Room exception on Biyombo, Thornton to something cheap to round the bench

Lowry/DeRozan/Gallinari/Faried/Valanciunas

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that would have been terrible asset management. so you go under the cap and then trade assets to use the cap space. its great to post the starting lineup what it would look like. but what about the bench and future assets you would have given up. ppat and 2 first rounders, maybe bebe.

the team as currently constructed has a better 5 year outlook because of all the assets vs what you suggest.

How? We have no starting PF, Carroll at an overpaid $15M per

If we were to trade for Faried before FA, the going rate was likely a lot less than two first rounders.

[Morse Code]

So you want to build a team based solely on your contracts? Skill, fit, attitude, drive, need = all secondary for you?

Oh, and you are making 'FINAL JUDGEMENT" before training camp!? So, your judgement will not in any way be based on the actual performance of the team ?!

Wow, you make it sound so easy to put a team together!!

1st off no, I never said or suggested that any of those things wouldn't be taken into account, or be "secondary". Who the hell builds a team without considering that stuff? You actually think I'm suggesting not worrying about skill, attitude, etc? lol get off your high horse bro.

2nd, I was clearly talking about "final judgement" with regards to our offseason moves. We knew this roster was going to be shaken up quite a bit this offseason, and although the results of the season are what matters, it's perfectly normal for fans to judge the moves made in the offseason, separately. I think these things are pretty obvious and I'm not sure why you jumped down my throat there and overreacted like that. To each his own I guess, but come on man wtf was that lol.

You are talking about what a 'good GM would have done' and about making your 'FINAL JUDGEMENT' and you are telling me to get off my high horse. Tired of arm chair critics who think it's so easy to do better, like the players and other teams that are involved have no actual say in the matter. Unbelievable.

I already explained what I meant by "final judgement" so I don't know why you're still confused about that. Collecting players who are seen as minor or weak assets but have long term deals that in next years NBA would be steals, is not that tough of a concept to grasp. Also, how am I an armchair critic? Don't forget this is a message board for fans to discuss all things NBA. If you would rather not read people's opinions on what should or shouldn't be done, then maybe this isn't the place for you. All I did was suggest that it would've been smart for any GM to acquire those types of players, because then they'd be left with a nice talent-to-cost ratio compared to the rest of the league, since the contracts are inflating like crazy now. Like I said man I don't know why that is so hard to grasp, and why you felt the need to respond the way you did.