Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

Induveca · Post #1301 » by **Induveca** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 4:01 pm

Sadly, I think we're stuck with Nene. But I suspect him to have a big season, contract year and all. He has to fight for his last contract, and it's the perfect year to do so......

fishercob · Post #1302 » by **fishercob** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:48 pm

nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Quick question on Markieff. Can we theoretically fit him in & be ok for KD? Not sure how they can even get him for the Suns but just trying to understand its even possible cap wise

Yes. If we refrain from using our MLE this year and we let Humphries go next summer.

Nate, can you answer my question about room under the tax above? You're the only one I can trust in this pool of morons. I get very anxious when you travel and aren't on your computer constantly.

Post #1303 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:53 pm

verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

I had an exchange with a Laker fan on the Trade Board and he liked a straight up Blair for Kelly swap.

Post #1304 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:57 pm

fishercob wrote:
nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Quick question on Markieff. Can we theoretically fit him in & be ok for KD? Not sure how they can even get him for the Suns but just trying to understand its even possible cap wise

Yes. If we refrain from using our MLE this year and we let Humphries go next summer.

Nate, can you answer my question about room under the tax above? You're the only one I can trust in this pool of morons. I get very anxious when you travel and aren't on your computer constantly.

The best guess on the salary cap this year is that it is $2M higher than originally thought. That'll mean the luxtax line is a little more than $2M higher than expected. That extra $2M gives us all the room we need. It is virtually impossible to exceed the luxtax this summer using only our MLE, BAE and TPEs.

fishercob · Post #1305 » by **fishercob** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 10:04 pm

nate33 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

I had an exchange with a Laker fan on the Trade Board and he liked a straight up Blair for Kelly swap.

Wow. You could do Blair for Kelly, Webster for Marvin, and then sign Withey or Aldrich for the final roster spot.

Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/AA/Neal
Otto/Dudley/Oubre
Hump/Williams/Kelly
Gortat/Nene/Withey

Lots of depth and versatility there.

Post #1306 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 10:48 pm

Webster for Marvin is interesting. Webster has the extra partially guaranteed year, but saves Charlotte money on the short term. Are they still going after anybody in free agency where the money savings this year would matter?

fishercob · Post #1307 » by **fishercob** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 11:16 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Webster for Marvin is interesting. Webster has the extra partially guaranteed year, but saves Charlotte money on the short term. Are they still going after anybody in free agency where the money savings this year would matter?

Even if they're not, they generate little enough revenue that I bet the savings matter. I'd include cash to offset some of Webster's buyout.

Plus, they have a glut up front of more of a need on the wing.

Post #1308 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 11:35 pm

fishercob wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Webster for Marvin is interesting. Webster has the extra partially guaranteed year, but saves Charlotte money on the short term. Are they still going after anybody in free agency where the money savings this year would matter?

Even if they're not, they generate little enough revenue that I bet the savings matter. I'd include cash to offset some of Webster's buyout.

Plus, they have a glut up front of more of a need on the wing.

I don't see any way Charlotte considers this unless Webster plays for about 25 games and proves that he's healthy and productive. If they need a wing more than a big, they're better of just playing Williams at wing. He can do that better than Webster if Webster is still hobbled with the back injury.

TheBlackCzar · Post #1309 » by **TheBlackCzar** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 12:19 am

fishercob wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Webster for Marvin is interesting. Webster has the extra partially guaranteed year, but saves Charlotte money on the short term. Are they still going after anybody in free agency where the money savings this year would matter?

Even if they're not, they generate little enough revenue that I bet the savings matter. I'd include cash to offset some of Webster's buyout.

Plus, they have a glut up front of more of a need on the wing.

I think this new TV deal has changed the need for teams to proceed as before. Charlotte will be operating with a much higher profit margin than before this new deal kicked in.

gambitx777 · Post #1310 » by **gambitx777** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 12:29 am

If the mavs loose Jordan.... could they be in the market for NENE???

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1311 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:08 am

gambitx777 wrote:If the mavs loose Jordan.... could they be in the market for NENE???

Cuban did say words to the effect of without Deandre and Wes Matthews the Mavs may have to consider that tanking could be the best option.

Nene to the Mavs could be a fallback plan...

Dark Faze · Post #1312 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:08 am

Nene, Webster, Seraphin (sign and trade) for Dirk and Parsons

Wall/Sessions/Neal
Beal/Dudley
Parsons/Porter/Oubre
Dirk/Hump
Gortat/Gooden

lawd

hands11 · Post #1313 » by **hands11** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:12 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:If the mavs loose Jordan.... could they be in the market for NENE???

Cuban did say words to the effect of without Deandre and Wes Matthews the Mavs may have to consider that tanking could be the best option.

Nene to the Mavs could be a fallback plan...

And Dirk to DC... my dream comes true. #FreeTheDirk

That would serve more then fine as a Truth replacement.

or...

What do people think about Hump in a Markieff trade ?

The offseason is still alive. And the biggest moves might still yet to come.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1314 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:26 am

Just looked at Mavs on trade checker to see what could potentially get worked out with them for Seraphin and Nene...

Wow their roster is in complete shambles, no wonder DJ is backing out on them.

keynote · Post #1315 » by **keynote** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:40 am

The Mavs can sign Seraphin outright, right? I figure we'll just get a TPE.

Dark Faze · Post #1316 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 2:44 am

mavs should tank

and dirk on a 1 year contract...and us with an expiring

teehee

cmon dirkkkkk

gambitx777 · Post #1317 » by **gambitx777** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 3:01 am

I would seriously consider asking for Dwight Powell in a NENE/kevin deal. Dirk is never leaving he is a mav for life. Good or bad.

Post #1318 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 3:09 am

gambitx777 wrote:If the mavs loose Jordan.... could they be in the market for NENE???

Saw a couple of tweets that the Hibbert-to-Lakers deal could be in jeopardy. Dallas was supposedly going to trade for Hibbert if the deal with DJ fell through, and Indy only moved on to LAL because the DJ had committed to Dallas. So Dallas may try to get Indy to backout now and send Hibbert to them. (It's crazy. Gotta think getting rid of this moratorium will be on the owners' checklist in the new CBA negotiations. LOL)

And then if they don't get Hibbert, it'll be interesting to see what they do. Do they take on an expiring like Nene just to fill a spot while they tank and figure it out next year? Or do they invest a multi-year deal in a younger guy like Seraphin, hoping that he turns the corner and ends up being part of their rebuild?

Actually, no reason they couldn't do both with the cap space they'll have. Maybe a 3-way where Dallas gets Nene+Seraphin, we send Webster to Brooklyn, and get back Joe Johnson? We'd still need a backup C, but it opens up roster spots and our perimeter rotation would be crazy deep.

Post #1319 » by **nate33** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:17 am

I don't think we have any interest in trading Nene at this point.

TheBlackCzar · Post #1320 » by **TheBlackCzar** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:26 am

nate33 wrote:I don't think we have any interest in trading Nene at this point.

I really dont know why this is so discussed considering people wanna give him away for a bag of skittles and some utz salt and vinegar chips.