Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[gambitx777]

If the mavs loose Jordan.... could they be in the market for NENE???

Saw a couple of tweets that the Hibbert-to-Lakers deal could be in jeopardy. Dallas was supposedly going to trade for Hibbert if the deal with DJ fell through, and Indy only moved on to LAL because the DJ had committed to Dallas. So Dallas may try to get Indy to backout now and send Hibbert to them. (It's crazy. Gotta think getting rid of this moratorium will be on the owners' checklist in the new CBA negotiations. LOL)

And then if they don't get Hibbert, it'll be interesting to see what they do. Do they take on an expiring like Nene just to fill a spot while they tank and figure it out next year? Or do they invest a multi-year deal in a younger guy like Seraphin, hoping that he turns the corner and ends up being part of their rebuild?

Actually, no reason they couldn't do both with the cap space they'll have. Maybe a 3-way where Dallas gets Nene+Seraphin, we send Webster to Brooklyn, and get back Joe Johnson? We'd still need a backup C, but it opens up roster spots and our perimeter rotation would be crazy deep.

That's brilliant! But the problem is we already spent time on all those wings.... I like Johnson better than anyone not named Porter, but still we are good on the wing! Now maybe sending webby to the suns and we get Morris out of the trade?
Mav's: NENE and kevin (maybe just let them sign him and do the nene trade)
Wiz: Morris
Suns: Webby, maybe Blair (pick of some nautre)

Then we have
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/Anderson/Neal
Dudley/Obure JR./ ???
Porter/Morris/Hump
Gortat/???/???
or
Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/Anderson/Neal
Porter/Dudley/Obure JR.
Morris/Hump/ ???
Gortat/???/???

That put's us in a really nice place. We have Famous in summer league that we can bring in. There are still some bigs out there on the market to grab. Withey,Oakafur, Aldrich, Sims, we can also resign gooden.

[nate33]

I don't think we have any interest in trading Nene at this point.

I really dont know why this is so discussed considering people wanna give him away for a bag of skittles and some utz salt and vinegar chips.

Agreed.

People are reflexively trying to give Nene away for cap space because they instinctively understand that he is no longer worth $13M a year. But they don't seem to acknowledge that being overpriced isn't the same thing as being a bad basketball player. On the court, Nene is still a better player than any of the dreck leftover in the free agency market, and he's not a cap burden for us next summer.

The logic of trading Nene only made sense very early in the free agency period if we could have dumped his salary and generated cap room. Once we started using our exceptions on guys like Dudley and Anderson, we went over the cap far enough that dumping Nene's salary didn't give us meaningful cap room. At that point, trading Nene for a salary dump stopped making any sense.

[siar617]

Is there any interest in Calderon

[nate33]

Is there any interest in Calderon

No. The Wizards are set at PG with Wall backed up by Sessions. Temple and Neal can bring the ball up in a pinch as well.

[siar617]

Is there any interest in Calderon

No. The Wizards are set at PG with Wall backed up by Sessions. Temple and Neal can bring the ball up in a pinch as well.

Is clearing cap more of an interest?
Maybe Haywood and some second rounders go to you we get Nene and Calderon goes to the Cavs?

[nate33]

Is there any interest in Calderon

No. The Wizards are set at PG with Wall backed up by Sessions. Temple and Neal can bring the ball up in a pinch as well.

Is clearing cap more of an interest?
Maybe Haywood and some second rounders go to you we get Nene and Calderon goes to the Cavs?

No. Clearing cap doesn't help us. We are below the luxtax and well above the salary cap. At this point, we're better off keeping Nene even though he is overpaid. An overpaid Nene still helps more than nothing at all. If we dumped him, we'd still have to find a backup center. And after filling the backup center spot, we'd be left with no cap room.

[Dark Faze]

DJ Augustin might be available and is on a 1 year deal. Thunder may need to lose salary after potentially matching a max offer for Kanter.

I like the potential of Neal and DJ together as offensive threats. Certainly more than anything Sessions can bring.

[nate33]

DJ Augustin might be available and is on a 1 year deal. Thunder may need to lose salary after potentially matching a max offer for Kanter.

I like the potential of Neal and DJ together as offensive threats. Certainly more than anything Sessions can bring.

There are only so many roster spots. They're not going to acquire another PG.

[fishercob]

DJ Augustin might be available and is on a 1 year deal. Thunder may need to lose salary after potentially matching a max offer for Kanter.

I like the potential of Neal and DJ together as offensive threats. Certainly more than anything Sessions can bring.

There are only so many roster spots. They're not going to acquire another PG.

Not only that, but OKC knows we're gunning after DUrant; I'd be shocked if they dealt with us -- and frankly, I don't want to help solve any of their problems right now.

[nuposse04]

So if POR actually retains Kanter on this offersheet I wonder if Vonleh is expendable to them even though they just traded for him. I'd see if they would bite on Vonleh for Oubre straight up but I kind of have my doubts considering they friggin traded FOR vonleh...maybe a pipe dream. Vonleh wasn't great last season but I don't think he was horrible.

[Dark Faze]

I wouldn't trade Oubre for Vonleh.

He was always thought to be similar in talent to Zeller and Oubre has a much higher ceiling.

[stevemcqueen1]

If Dallas decides to tank, what are the chances of them dealing Dirk so he can spend his final seasons playing for a winner? And if they are open to it, what could we offer thm ?

[gambitx777]

I don't think they trade Dirk, we could offer them NENE and take Felton too, give them a pick or Thomas. But, we have no leverage, they don't need to trade Dirk and He probably wants to play for the mavs for life. I would not mind entering talks for him. the only thing we have going for us if they trade Dirk, which they never will, is his no trade clause. I would be happy, dumping nene for Dwight powell lol. But let's see!

[nuposse04]

I wouldn't trade Oubre for Vonleh.

He was always thought to be similar in talent to Zeller and Oubre has a much higher ceiling.

Vonleh put up good numbers I thought in College. Playing for CHA last season in prolly undesirable situational minutes prolly didn't help him much. I do see he had some 3 pt range early on. For a 19 year old that is good. Only thing that needed to improve was his TS I thought. That should come with time and improved spacing on better teams. I'd make that trade easily if POR were to entertain it. He'd be better then almost all our bigs sans Gortat, Hump and Nene.

But seeing as how POR walked away from a wing in Hollis Jefferson, don't know if they'd want Oubre. Lillard and Oubre on the same team would be kinda funny since both guys seem to have egos (in a good way, swag). lol.

[nuposse04]

If Dallas decides to tank, what are the chances of them dealing Dirk so he can spend his final seasons playing for a winner? And if they are open to it, what could we offer thm ?

'16 1st and some players to assure their tank (webster and blair). Throw in some 2nds since EG forsakes those anyways. I don't like the premise of giving up Porter or even Oubre for Dirk since Dirk alone isn't about to put us over the top...that and his defense is just hilarious now whenever I get a chance to watch em... I think Dirk would have to ASK to come here for a smaller then market value return...I would like to think Cuban may oblige...

[Dark Faze]

I wouldn't trade Oubre for Vonleh.

He was always thought to be similar in talent to Zeller and Oubre has a much higher ceiling.

Vonleh put up good numbers I thought in College. Playing for CHA last season in prolly undesirable situational minutes prolly didn't help him much. I do see he had some 3 pt range early on. For a 19 year old that is good. Only thing that needed to improve was his TS I thought. That should come with time and improved spacing on better teams. I'd make that trade easily if POR were to entertain it. He'd be better then almost all our bigs sans Gortat, Hump and Nene.

But seeing as how POR walked away from a wing in Hollis Jefferson, don't know if they'd want Oubre. Lillard and Oubre on the same team would be kinda funny since both guys seem to have egos (in a good way, swag). lol.

The bolded is a really low bar.

It's always a terrible sign when a player gets moved within two years of being drafted as a first rounder. And in this case, Charlotte literally drafted the same position after the fact. They know more than we do about him, and they didn't see enough value in him to keep him over grabbing a guy who was going to be a free agent in a year.

Compare Oubre and Wiggins' stats at Kansas and tell me what's all that different outside of Andrew getting more leash? They are very similar players. Kelly doesn't have Andrew's godlike athleticism, but he's still got more than anyone on our roster outside of Wall.

[Dark Faze]

In regards to Dirk--you never know. But staying with one team your whole career has lost some of the meaning it used to. Paul Pierce would have had to commit to irrelevancy if he'd chosen to retire with Boston. By going to playoff teams in Brooklyn and Washington, he's done nothing but enhance his legacy. He went out and was an an anti-Jordan, making clutch huge plays for lesser franchises, and Pierce will go down as a Celtic. Dirk could forge a similar legacy if he'd like.

[payitforward]

I wouldn't trade Oubre for Vonleh.

He was always thought to be similar in talent to Zeller and Oubre has a much higher ceiling.

Vonleh put up good numbers I thought in College. Playing for CHA last season in prolly undesirable situational minutes prolly didn't help him much. I do see he had some 3 pt range early on. For a 19 year old that is good. Only thing that needed to improve was his TS I thought. That should come with time and improved spacing on better teams. I'd make that trade easily if POR were to entertain it. He'd be better then almost all our bigs sans Gortat, Hump and Nene.

But seeing as how POR walked away from a wing in Hollis Jefferson, don't know if they'd want Oubre. Lillard and Oubre on the same team would be kinda funny since both guys seem to have egos (in a good way, swag). lol.

I doubt we could make this trade, but if possible I would certainly do it. I like the pick of Oubre, but Vonleh seems to have an equally high ceiling, is only 3 months older than KO, and was quite productive for a rookie in spot minutes last year. He's really big, and at 19 he may even still be growing.

Actually... physically he kind of resembles Bobby Portis.

[payitforward]

I wouldn't trade Oubre for Vonleh.

He was always thought to be similar in talent to Zeller and Oubre has a much higher ceiling.

Vonleh put up good numbers I thought in College. Playing for CHA last season in prolly undesirable situational minutes prolly didn't help him much. I do see he had some 3 pt range early on. For a 19 year old that is good. Only thing that needed to improve was his TS I thought. That should come with time and improved spacing on better teams. I'd make that trade easily if POR were to entertain it. He'd be better then almost all our bigs sans Gortat, Hump and Nene.

But seeing as how POR walked away from a wing in Hollis Jefferson, don't know if they'd want Oubre. Lillard and Oubre on the same team would be kinda funny since both guys seem to have egos (in a good way, swag). lol.

The bolded is a really low bar.

It's always a terrible sign when a player gets moved within two years of being drafted as a first rounder. And in this case, Charlotte literally drafted the same position after the fact. They know more than we do about him, and they didn't see enough value in him to keep him over grabbing a guy who was going to be a free agent in a year.

Compare Oubre and Wiggins' stats at Kansas and tell me what's all that different outside of Andrew getting more leash? They are very similar players. Kelly doesn't have Andrew's godlike athleticism, but he's still got more than anyone on our roster outside of Wall.

Ummm... Wiggins, your poster boy for Oubre, is "a player... moved within two years of being drafted as a first rounder," so we can jettison that so-called argument against Vonleh.

The fact that our bigs present a low bar to exceed also means nothing about Vonleh.

OTOH, Oubre's freshman numbers at Kansas were better -- a fair amount better! -- than Wiggins were (though on way fewer minutes). Moreover, Wiggins didn't have a good rookie season on the numbers -- no matter what awards he won.

I liked the Oubre pick; I'm not sure between him and Vonleh who will be better.

[Dark Faze]

completely removing the context in regards to the movement of wiggins and vonleh is not the best way to begin a counterpoint