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princeofpalace · Post #681 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 3:35 pm

Kilo wrote:
russkopp wrote:Heat just got Gerald Green for the vet min around 970K. Twitter is saying how great this is and "Riley does it again!" BS. If we made the same move these "experts" would crush SVG again that he doesn't know what he's doing.

I'm sick of it.
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Gerald Green for 1M is a better deal than Mook Morris for $20M over the next four. But does this mean Justise only gets minutes backing up Wade at the 2-guard? Because Deng and Green will get the SF minutes one has to figure.

Green plays the 2 as well. Great signing by them- Green is better than Marcus Morris, he had a bit of down year last year though but wouldve been a perfect fit with Detroit. He turned himself into a great shooter.

Post #682 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:14 pm

I'd probably rather have Green than Morris, especially considering the money. Morris can play both forward spots though, so its not all bad.

On the now-dead Jordan issue, anyone else actually think the Mavs are better off without Jordan? Jordan/Dirk/Parsons with no good point guard to speak of and injury questions surrounding Matthews wasn't going to get them any contention anytime soon, and Dirk is on his way out.

Jordan isn't a superstar and can't be the best player on a good team moving forward. Maybe now they can start a real rebuild.

Piston Pete · Post #683 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:18 pm

And they can start by trading us Parsons for Morris/Jennings

DBC10 · Post #684 » by **DBC10** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:25 pm

Snakebites wrote:I'd probably rather have Green than Morris, especially considering the money. Morris can play both forward spots though, so its not all bad.

On the now-dead Jordan issue, anyone else actually think the Mavs are better off without Jordan? Jordan/Dirk/Parsons with no good point guard to speak of and injury questions surrounding Matthews wasn't going to get them any contention anytime soon, and Dirk is on his way out.

Jordan isn't a superstar and can't be the best player on a good team moving forward. Maybe now they can start a real rebuild.

That means Carlisle is likely heading his way out then. They basically died as a franchise on that night when Jordan didn't sign, at least for the time being.

MrBigShot · Post #685 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:28 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Mavs got absolutely screwed. DeAndre's decision affected several other FAs (Matthews going to Dallas, Robin Lopez choosing NY over LA or Dallas ect...) so to back out after he'd already informed them of his decision is extremely, extremely unprofessional.

But on the other hand...I can't help but wonder what I might do in his situation. Either way he gets paid an insane amount of money, but the Clips have Blake who is well known to be one of the DeAndre's best friends, Doc who gave DeAndre a significant role and helped make him the player he is today, and it's been his home since he's been in the league.

Be a professional and remain secretly disappointed and wonder what could have been for 4 years...or be completely unprofessional but choose the place where your heart is set on? Staying true to his word is the right thing to do, but at the same time I do understand why did what he did.

I would take all the time I needed to make the decision. He screwed up big time and his maturity is obviously not there.

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As would I, and I assume most people here...but I was getting at specifically the situation he found himself in after making the commitment. In the end I would keep my commitment with the Mavs simply because the impact his decision had on the Mavs FA approach and the other FAs choosing destinations is not something that can be reversed. If It was an end of his career veteran coming in solely to be a locker room presence getting paid the minimum I think they would have more leeway.

Surprised he didn't even have the decency to call Cuban and tell him of his decision himself though, talk about insult to injury.

coordinator0 · Post #686 » by **coordinator0** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:32 pm

Detroit wasn't getting Green for the minimum. It would be interesting to see what his price for the Pistons would have been but I'm not really upset at missing out on him. He's much more of a two than a three. That's where Green played the vast majority of his minutes a couple years ago when he was good. Some sites say he was a small forward but they're counting Tucker as the shooting guard because of his height and that's not the case. Last season Green played small forward because of the point guards Phoenix had but it's not his natural position at all.

princeofpalace · Post #687 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:32 pm

People formally accept job offers and backout of them all the time. I have never done it, but came very close. DJ did the best thing for him and I can't blame him for that. The only issue I have with his decision is that he didn't have the courage to tell Cuban what was happening.

DBC10 · Post #688 » by **DBC10** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:34 pm

^Even Dwight Howard had the guts to fly out to LA to tell Kupchak that he wasn't coming back and thanked them.

DJ, nope.

Kilo · Post #689 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:35 pm

^Or when he was having second thoughts and called Blake last weekend he should have maybe called Cuban as well. It's like Blake and Paul planned it out to screw over Dallas by trying to keep everything secret - only it leaked in the day so they kept him away from everything the whole day and signed the contract at midnight. DeAndre didn't even reach out to Dallas - there was a reason he agreed to sign there, but his "friends" on LAC made sure he couldn't talk to Dallas again - basically made sure they were the only word and opinion he'd hear for 4 days before he screwed over Dallas and re-signed with LAC.

DeAndre Jordan is a scumbag and coward. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are scumbags. Doc Rivers pissed away his whole supposed legacy of being a great person and stand up guy.

bballnmike · Post #690 » by **bballnmike** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 5:18 pm

Kilo wrote:^Or when he was having second thoughts and called Blake last weekend he should have maybe called Cuban as well. It's like Blake and Paul planned it out to screw over Dallas by trying to keep everything secret - only it leaked in the day so they kept him away from everything the whole day and signed the contract at midnight. DeAndre didn't even reach out to Dallas - there was a reason he agreed to sign there, but his "friends" on LAC made sure he couldn't talk to Dallas again - basically made sure they were the only word and opinion he'd hear for 4 days before he screwed over Dallas and re-signed with LAC.

DeAndre Jordan is a scumbag and coward. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are scumbags. Doc Rivers pissed away his whole supposed legacy of being a great person and stand up guy.

Maybe it was the plan all along. Game of Thrones style... :lol:

"Ballmer sends his regards"

Kilo · Post #691 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 5:39 pm

bballnmike wrote:
Kilo wrote:^Or when he was having second thoughts and called Blake last weekend he should have maybe called Cuban as well. It's like Blake and Paul planned it out to screw over Dallas by trying to keep everything secret - only it leaked in the day so they kept him away from everything the whole day and signed the contract at midnight. DeAndre didn't even reach out to Dallas - there was a reason he agreed to sign there, but his "friends" on LAC made sure he couldn't talk to Dallas again - basically made sure they were the only word and opinion he'd hear for 4 days before he screwed over Dallas and re-signed with LAC.

DeAndre Jordan is a scumbag and coward. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are scumbags. Doc Rivers pissed away his whole supposed legacy of being a great person and stand up guy.

Maybe it was the plan all along. Game of Thrones style...

"Ballmer sends his regards"

Ballmer brought his business world ethics, or lack there of, to the NBA and doesn't seemingly understand that it's an association and that he just screwed over what amounts to a partner with this move. Or maybe he does - he didn't get to be worth $20B by playing by the rules - especially the unwritten ones.

bballnmike · Post #692 » by **bballnmike** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 5:46 pm

Kilo wrote:
bballnmike wrote:
Kilo wrote:^Or when he was having second thoughts and called Blake last weekend he should have maybe called Cuban as well. It's like Blake and Paul planned it out to screw over Dallas by trying to keep everything secret - only it leaked in the day so they kept him away from everything the whole day and signed the contract at midnight. DeAndre didn't even reach out to Dallas - there was a reason he agreed to sign there, but his "friends" on LAC made sure he couldn't talk to Dallas again - basically made sure they were the only word and opinion he'd hear for 4 days before he screwed over Dallas and re-signed with LAC.

DeAndre Jordan is a scumbag and coward. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are scumbags. Doc Rivers pissed away his whole supposed legacy of being a great person and stand up guy.

Maybe it was the plan all along. Game of Thrones style...

"Ballmer sends his regards"

Ballmer brought his business world ethics, or lack there of, to the NBA and doesn't seemingly understand that it's an association and that he just screwed over what amounts to a partner with this move. Or maybe he does - he didn't get to be worth $20B by playing by the rules - especially the unwritten ones.

He's like a friggin... shark.. or something

Post #693 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 6:05 pm

DBC10 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:I'd probably rather have Green than Morris, especially considering the money. Morris can play both forward spots though, so its not all bad.

On the now-dead Jordan issue, anyone else actually think the Mavs are better off without Jordan? Jordan/Dirk/Parsons with no good point guard to speak of and injury questions surrounding Matthews wasn't going to get them any contention anytime soon, and Dirk is on his way out.

Jordan isn't a superstar and can't be the best player on a good team moving forward. Maybe now they can start a real rebuild.

That means Carlisle is likely heading his way out then. They basically died as a franchise on that night when Jordan didn't sign, at least for the time being.

See, this is the sort of talk that I'm referring to.

If the Mavericks REALLY were so dependent on DeAndre Jordan that he's the difference (in their minds) between being a contender moving forward and having to break it all down, weren't they already kinda screwed? Jordan isn't really a franchise player. And that isn't a knock on him, he's a good player, but he's the second best player on a good team or the third best player on a championship caliber team.

I think they're better off. At least now they have to be honest with themselves, take stock, and realize its time for a real rebuild. And yeah, it could mean Rick is gone.

detroitKG · Post #694 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 7:20 pm

As if that trade couldn't look any sweeter...is OKC about to lose Kanter now :lol:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/619224270238023682[/tweet]

Post #695 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 7:27 pm

detroitKG wrote:As if that trade couldn't look any sweeter...is OKC about to lose Kanter now

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/619224270238023682[/tweet]

Kanter is a restricted free agent. They'll only lose him if they choose to. That's what an offer sheet means.

detroitKG · Post #696 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 7:29 pm

Snakebites wrote:
detroitKG wrote:As if that trade couldn't look any sweeter...is OKC about to lose Kanter now

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/619224270238023682[/tweet]

Kanter is a restricted free agent. They'll only lose him if they choose to. That's what an offer sheet means.

I'm well informed with what an offer sheet is thank you very much...just wondering if they could load up the contract offer to the point that OKC can't or wouldn't match.

Post #697 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 7:34 pm

detroitKG wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
detroitKG wrote:As if that trade couldn't look any sweeter...is OKC about to lose Kanter now

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/619224270238023682[/tweet]

Kanter is a restricted free agent. They'll only lose him if they choose to. That's what an offer sheet means.

I'm well informed with what an offer sheet is thank you very much...just wondering if they could load up the contract offer to the point that OKC can't or wouldn't match.

Well, given you said "they're about to lose Kanter" not "there is a possibility they might get priced out of Kanter", I think you can understand my confusion.

jfuchs91 · Post #698 » by **jfuchs91** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 8:10 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/619225276602560512[/tweet]

Any way the Pistons could get PJIII or Novak? Seems like both could be potential fits with what SVG is trying to do.

The Penguin · Post #699 » by **The Penguin** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 8:22 pm

jfuchs91 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/619225276602560512[/tweet]

Any way the Pistons could get PJIII or Novak? Seems like both could be potential fits with what SVG is trying to do.

I don't know if any of us are exactly sure the Pistons cap situation. Details of Baynes' contract haven't been released, and I don't know if Jackson or Anthony have officially signed. Basically, they might have the cap room to do it, or might not, but the roster is pretty full as is.

Kilo · Post #700 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 8:28 pm

^I wouldn't bring in PJIII because I think we're better off with Reggie getting a completely fresh start here and don't want one of his OKC running buddies here to possibly mess things up.

Novak could be the 3rd PF shooter if Stan really does see Miller as a 3 still (according to Mayo article) but he's probably not worth the bother.