Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[bwgood77]

Why is Babby still front and center? I thought he stepped down as Team President of BB Operations and TmD took the position. Babby was right there during the Booker presser and now is in the photo of Chandler signing. Babby is a huge part of the problem this franchise has had over the last 5 years. He brought in Blanks and Hunter. He drafted Kief and brought his brother in. I don't like him. He is terrible. Oh no, he is front and center in the Chandler presser as well. AHHH!

I think it's just a slow transition. Being a lawyer and agent, he probably secured a pretty good exit deal. Plus, being the agent guy, I don't think he makes decisions, he just basically handles the details.

[lilfishi22]

Teletovic is a good signing. Good get that stretch 4 look off the bench. I also love that we now have 3 guys with Euro experience.

[oldjeezy]

Davis wasnt a star in his first season either, he became a star in his 3rd year.
He is my current favourite player and always drafted him in fantasy leagues (outside RealGM Suns leagues as everyone is obsess with him too).
13/8/2
21/10/3
24/10/3


Curry
18/6/2 (steals) 44% 3pt
19/6/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt
15/5/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (only 23 games)
23/7/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8.5/1.5 (steals) 42% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt (3+ made)

He also averaged 4+ rebounds in all those seasons.

To me, he has been a borderline star since the start, he would of broken out in his 3rd year (same as Davis) if it wasnt for his injuries.
In his 4th, 5th, 6th season... he is MVP level player... but Warriors were not elite in year 4 and 5.

Curry has been a star within his first 3 years in the NBA...

Again, Kerr traded Stoudemire for him for a reason... only for Don Nelson to back down on that.... again think about that for a second.

Curry was a star for years already.

if his stardom was such a lock from the beginning, why did he sign for 11mill per in 2012?

i get that he was coming off of an injury, but still, him being as good as he is, or even reasonably close to it, has been a surprise

[bigfoot]

Suns were willing to trade Stoudemire for Curry... by Kerr/Sarver

Think about that for a minute...

Curry was considered Nash-like and potentially heir to Nash back then.
Saying he didnt become a star until now is also disregarding that he had 2 bad ankle injuries in his early days....

Curry was always going to be at minimum, a borderline star... even better than Bledsoe or Knight currently.

Now with the modern NBA the way it is... Curry and players like him are having/will have their golden era.

Curry for Amare with bad knees and a pending free agent. We see how that worked out for the Knicks. Look if Curry was the Nash heir apparent why did he get drafted after Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, Rubio, and Jonny Flynn. Curry was a number 7 pick that panned out really well for GSW. I'd say one out of ten of all seventh round picks ends up at the all-star level

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/7th-overall/70509/

[JTrain]

Ticket sales must be brutal. They're calling constantly.

[Revived]

Did you see me say Bledsoe was as good as Curry. Nope ... I'll repeat what I said dingleberry ... GSW had to get into the playoffs before they could make a run at the NBA championship. Not sure how you managed to make that huge leap.

Difference is they had their superstar. For example, if you told a Twolves fan the same thing it would make sense because ok Andrew Wiggins is gonna be that superstar so they have the nucleus now it's just about developing around him and making playoffs and then progressing that way. IMO we're not there yet.

Also, you are discounting the possibility of Len or Warren or Bogdan or Booker stepping into that superstar role. Will it happen ... don't know. Seems as likely as Wiggins earning an all-star berth as a guard in the West with Curry, Thompson, Paul, Harden, Lillard and others way, way in front of him.

I disagree. I think Wiggins has a much higher chance of being a superstar than any player on our roster. While players like Len and Warren have shown promise, they haven't shown anything to show that they have superstar potential like Curry did when he was younger.

[bigfoot]

But Devin Booker will be Klay 2.0 cauz he is light-skinned/mixed and Bled will suddenly turn into Westbrook Lite

Go to the Dubs site and be a fan there. Obviously you're a Suns hater.

That is weaksauce. So then who on this team has a realistic shot of even making an All Star team/All-NBA selection in the next couple of years. (Let alone be a franchise player). BKnight and Bled are going into their 5th and 6th years respectively and we are only hoping for an upward career trajectory to reach a pinnacle. Len has the most upside of our younin' and could very well become a near elite rim protector with a balanced offensive game. The ideal center to have as a complimentary piece in your youn core. But he would have to be Marc Gasolesque to be worthy of building around

I can tell your right now none of the Suns will be all-stars until we make the playoffs. It's that simple ... make the playoffs and you'll get a look. Advance deep into the playoffs and the chances are much much better.

[RaisingArizona]

Ticket sales must be brutal. They're calling constantly.

Never sign up for any contest on Suns.com. They will spam the sh*t out of you after you lose.

[BobbieL]

I like the Mirko signing. One year deal - prove his worth. Don't get locked into long term deals (Hakim, Josh Childress). good shooter. I know Kieff is bummed about his brother being traded but if he goes along with Tyson Chandler, he can be a very good player. I hope Kieff is on board. If not, dump him

I have noticed that Gambo used to be on point but he is late with everything
-- did not break one free agent signing
--was about 15 minutes late on the Aldridge signing
--had no clue about Tyson Chandler. Gambo thought Kosta Koufos
--today he was 15 minutes late with the Mirko signing

--and lastly, he tweeted what everybody knows, once Weems, Price, Mirko and Knight signs, the team will be over the cap

lastly, you know the Suns are done when Knight signs..

[saintEscaton]

Did you see me say Bledsoe was as good as Curry. Nope ... I'll repeat what I said dingleberry ... GSW had to get into the playoffs before they could make a run at the NBA championship. Not sure how you managed to make that huge leap.

Difference is they had their superstar. For example, if you told a Twolves fan the same thing it would make sense because ok Andrew Wiggins is gonna be that superstar so they have the nucleus now it's just about developing around him and making playoffs and then progressing that way. IMO we're not there yet.

Also, you are discounting the possibility of Len or Warren or Bogdan or Booker stepping into that superstar role. Will it happen ... don't know. Seems as likely as Wiggins earning an all-star berth as a guard in the West with Curry, Thompson, Paul, Harden, Lillard and others way, way in front of him.

You're right he'll make an All Star team at SF soon since there's a dearth at that position. Lavine plays SG. But I'm sorry this statement is just delusional

[bigfoot]

Difference is they had their superstar. For example, if you told a Twolves fan the same thing it would make sense because ok Andrew Wiggins is gonna be that superstar so they have the nucleus now it's just about developing around him and making playoffs and then progressing that way. IMO we're not there yet.

Also, you are discounting the possibility of Len or Warren or Bogdan or Booker stepping into that superstar role. Will it happen ... don't know. Seems as likely as Wiggins earning an all-star berth as a guard in the West with Curry, Thompson, Paul, Harden, Lillard and others way, way in front of him.

You're right he'll make an All Star team at SF soon since there's a dearth at that position. Lavine plays SG. But I'm sorry this statement is just delusional

Durant, Leonard, Hayward, Draymond Green, Parsons ... fat fricking chance.

[NTB]

I'd like to see a press conference including Weems, Price, Leuer, Teletovic.

[JTrain]

Difference is they had their superstar. For example, if you told a Twolves fan the same thing it would make sense because ok Andrew Wiggins is gonna be that superstar so they have the nucleus now it's just about developing around him and making playoffs and then progressing that way. IMO we're not there yet.

Also, you are discounting the possibility of Len or Warren or Bogdan or Booker stepping into that superstar role. Will it happen ... don't know. Seems as likely as Wiggins earning an all-star berth as a guard in the West with Curry, Thompson, Paul, Harden, Lillard and others way, way in front of him.

You're right he'll make an All Star team at SF soon since there's a dearth at that position. Lavine plays SG. But I'm sorry this statement is just delusional

Why don't you stop hating the Suns and just admit that the future is bright with our probable superstars like Len, Booker and Warren? And don't dare bring up statistics because they are flawed. The only way to know is the eyeball test (whose? well, mine of course). You obviously have learned nothing from the past 50 years of psychology, which clearly demonstrates humans are bias-free reasoning experts capable of analyzing complex systems far better than any stats dreamed up by nerds who couldn't even make the JV team in high school.

[thamadkant]

Suns were willing to trade Stoudemire for Curry... by Kerr/Sarver

Think about that for a minute...

Curry was considered Nash-like and potentially heir to Nash back then.
Saying he didnt become a star until now is also disregarding that he had 2 bad ankle injuries in his early days....

Curry was always going to be at minimum, a borderline star... even better than Bledsoe or Knight currently.

Now with the modern NBA the way it is... Curry and players like him are having/will have their golden era.

Curry for Amare with bad knees and a pending free agent. We see how that worked out for the Knicks. Look if Curry was the Nash heir apparent why did he get drafted after Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, Rubio, and Jonny Flynn. Curry was a number 7 pick that panned out really well for GSW. I'd say one out of ten of all seventh round picks ends up at the all-star level

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/7th-overall/70509/

You can just say you disagree because so and so..

But dont make up things and assume Amare was a cripple at the time of the trade.

Knicks medical approved Amare in that sign and trade.

Amare at the time of Curry trade was fine. Not injured.


And just to save you time... I disagree with your version of events and opinion... lets end it there.

Curry was a borderline star from the get go, became a legit Star by his 4th season... could of been his 3rd but got injured.


You have your version and others have their own.

Discussion ends there, since you wont budge and I wont either.

[saintEscaton]

Also, you are discounting the possibility of Len or Warren or Bogdan or Booker stepping into that superstar role. Will it happen ... don't know. Seems as likely as Wiggins earning an all-star berth as a guard in the West with Curry, Thompson, Paul, Harden, Lillard and others way, way in front of him.

You're right he'll make an All Star team at SF soon since there's a dearth at that position. Lavine plays SG. But I'm sorry this statement is just delusional

Why don't you stop hating the Suns and just admit that the future is bright with our probable superstars like Len, Booker and Warren. And don't dare bring up statistics because they are flawed. The only way to know is the eyeball test (whose? well, mine of course). You obviously have learned nothing from the past 50 years of psychology, which clearly demonstrates humans are bias-free reasoning experts capable of analyzing complex systems far better than any stats dreamed up by nerds who couldn't even make the JV team in high school.

I've missed you JTrain

[thamadkant]

Davis wasnt a star in his first season either, he became a star in his 3rd year.
He is my current favourite player and always drafted him in fantasy leagues (outside RealGM Suns leagues as everyone is obsess with him too).
13/8/2
21/10/3
24/10/3


Curry
18/6/2 (steals) 44% 3pt
19/6/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt
15/5/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (only 23 games)
23/7/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8.5/1.5 (steals) 42% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt (3+ made)

He also averaged 4+ rebounds in all those seasons.

To me, he has been a borderline star since the start, he would of broken out in his 3rd year (same as Davis) if it wasnt for his injuries.
In his 4th, 5th, 6th season... he is MVP level player... but Warriors were not elite in year 4 and 5.

Curry has been a star within his first 3 years in the NBA...

Again, Kerr traded Stoudemire for him for a reason... only for Don Nelson to back down on that.... again think about that for a second.

Curry was a star for years already.

if his stardom was such a lock from the beginning, why did he sign for 11mill per in 2012?

i get that he was coming off of an injury, but still, him being as good as he is, or even reasonably close to it, has been a surprise

Go to the Warriors board...
Curry was labelled "glass ankle" during his early days, Warrior fans were actually a bit worried his ankle wont last his contract. He accepted that 11-12 million offer for security... just in case his ankle injuries become a distraction.

Word of advice, dont have to follow it, but for your own good. Venture outside the Suns forum and discuss with other team fans for a different perspective. My sister and a couple of friends are die-hard Warrior fans, so we argue a lot too. But it helps to see their versions of perspective.

[saintEscaton]

Davis wasnt a star in his first season either, he became a star in his 3rd year.
He is my current favourite player and always drafted him in fantasy leagues (outside RealGM Suns leagues as everyone is obsess with him too).
13/8/2
21/10/3
24/10/3


Curry
18/6/2 (steals) 44% 3pt
19/6/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt
15/5/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (only 23 games)
23/7/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8.5/1.5 (steals) 42% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt (3+ made)

He also averaged 4+ rebounds in all those seasons.

To me, he has been a borderline star since the start, he would of broken out in his 3rd year (same as Davis) if it wasnt for his injuries.
In his 4th, 5th, 6th season... he is MVP level player... but Warriors were not elite in year 4 and 5.

Curry has been a star within his first 3 years in the NBA...

Again, Kerr traded Stoudemire for him for a reason... only for Don Nelson to back down on that.... again think about that for a second.

Curry was a star for years already.

if his stardom was such a lock from the beginning, why did he sign for 11mill per in 2012?

i get that he was coming off of an injury, but still, him being as good as he is, or even reasonably close to it, has been a surprise

Go to the Warriors board...
Curry was labelled "glass ankle" during his early days, Warrior fans were actually a bit worried his ankle wont last his contract. He accepted that 11-12 million offer for security... just in case his ankle injuries become a distraction.

Word of advice, dont have to follow it, but for your own good. Venture outside the Suns forum and discuss with other team fans for a different perspective. My sister and a couple of friends are die-hard Warrior fans, so we argue a lot too. But it helps to see their versions of perspective.

Yup Steph was on the brink of being a premature DRose until he proved that he could maintain health throughout the rigor of a full NBA season

[bigfoot]

Davis wasnt a star in his first season either, he became a star in his 3rd year.
He is my current favourite player and always drafted him in fantasy leagues (outside RealGM Suns leagues as everyone is obsess with him too).
13/8/2
21/10/3
24/10/3


Curry
18/6/2 (steals) 44% 3pt
19/6/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt
15/5/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (only 23 games)
23/7/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8.5/1.5 (steals) 42% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt (3+ made)

He also averaged 4+ rebounds in all those seasons.

To me, he has been a borderline star since the start, he would of broken out in his 3rd year (same as Davis) if it wasnt for his injuries.
In his 4th, 5th, 6th season... he is MVP level player... but Warriors were not elite in year 4 and 5.

Curry has been a star within his first 3 years in the NBA...

Again, Kerr traded Stoudemire for him for a reason... only for Don Nelson to back down on that.... again think about that for a second.

Curry was a star for years already.

if his stardom was such a lock from the beginning, why did he sign for 11mill per in 2012?

i get that he was coming off of an injury, but still, him being as good as he is, or even reasonably close to it, has been a surprise

Go to the Warriors board...
Curry was labelled "glass ankle" during his early days, Warrior fans were actually a bit worried his ankle wont last his contract. He accepted that 11-12 million offer for security... just in case his ankle injuries become a distraction.

Word of advice, dont have to follow it, but for your own good. Venture outside the Suns forum and discuss with other team fans for a different perspective. My sister and a couple of friends are die-hard Warrior fans, so we argue a lot too. But it helps to see their versions of perspective.

[Scubetrolis]

Gambo's only late cause he is too busy obsessing over his fiance now.

[oldjeezy]

Davis wasnt a star in his first season either, he became a star in his 3rd year.
He is my current favourite player and always drafted him in fantasy leagues (outside RealGM Suns leagues as everyone is obsess with him too).
13/8/2
21/10/3
24/10/3


Curry
18/6/2 (steals) 44% 3pt
19/6/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt
15/5/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (only 23 games)
23/7/1.5 (steals) 45% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8.5/1.5 (steals) 42% 3pt (3+ made)
24/8/1.5 (steals) 44% 3pt (3+ made)

He also averaged 4+ rebounds in all those seasons.

To me, he has been a borderline star since the start, he would of broken out in his 3rd year (same as Davis) if it wasnt for his injuries.
In his 4th, 5th, 6th season... he is MVP level player... but Warriors were not elite in year 4 and 5.

Curry has been a star within his first 3 years in the NBA...

Again, Kerr traded Stoudemire for him for a reason... only for Don Nelson to back down on that.... again think about that for a second.

Curry was a star for years already.

if his stardom was such a lock from the beginning, why did he sign for 11mill per in 2012?

i get that he was coming off of an injury, but still, him being as good as he is, or even reasonably close to it, has been a surprise

Go to the Warriors board...
Curry was labelled "glass ankle" during his early days, Warrior fans were actually a bit worried his ankle wont last his contract. He accepted that 11-12 million offer for security... just in case his ankle injuries become a distraction.

Word of advice, dont have to follow it, but for your own good. Venture outside the Suns forum and discuss with other team fans for a different perspective. My sister and a couple of friends are die-hard Warrior fans, so we argue a lot too. But it helps to see their versions of perspective.

right away, about to go study up on warrior fan perspective. for my own good