Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

Sunsdeuce · Post #1581 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:53 am

Ok now I'm happy with this signing. I love the high release on his shots and the quickness to the release.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/suns6thman/status/619306055172882432[/tweet]

Moochthemonkey · Post #1582 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:57 am

Blake Griffin, Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio, Flynn, Curry were all drafted as lottery picks expected to be all star players or at the very least cornerstones of a franchise.

Blake Griffin has met expectations, Harden and Curry have exceeded theirs, Evans and Rubio have been somewhat disappointing but still solid players. Thabeet and Flynn are not in the league. Point being projected talent is never a surefire thing. More importantly, just having a great player or even have an amalagation of great players doesn't entail a great, or having a great team. Case in point being the Atlanta Hawks don't and never really had any superstars unless you count Joe Johnson as a superstar and were "treadmilling" for 7 years before last season.

Btw, don't know why All-Star selection is being used as a gauge for worth. Gimpy Kobe still gets selected every year, as did Tmac in his twilight years, it's a popularity contest decided largely by casual fans. Besides, even if there were 40 Lebron James calibre players disseminated across all 5 positions per conference, there is still only 2-3 spots per position, so players that are truly deserving of a spot will sometimes not get picked.

bigfoot · Post #1583 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:02 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:Blake Griffin, Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio, Flynn, Curry were all drafted as lottery picks expected to be all star players or at the very least cornerstones of a franchise.

Blake Griffin has met expectations, Harden and Curry have exceeded theirs, Evans and Rubio have been somewhat disappointing but still solid players. Thabeet and Flynn are not in the league. Point being projected talent is never a surefire thing. More importantly, just having a great player or even have an amalagation of great players doesn't entail a great, or having a great team. Case in point being the Atlanta Hawks don't and never really had any superstars unless you count Joe Johnson as a superstar and were "treadmilling" for 7 years before last season.

Btw, don't know why All-Star selection is being used as a gauge for worth. Gimpy Kobe still gets selected every year, as did Tmac in his twilight years, it's a popularity contest decided largely by casual fans. Besides, even if there were 40 Lebron James calibre players disseminated across all 5 positions per conference, there is still only 2-3 spots per position, so players that are truly deserving of a spot will sometimes not get picked.

Sorry Mooch ... here is the rehash in nut shell

Bigfoot: In presser Tyson Chandler said making the playoffs is the first goal. I add that GSW didn't win a championship until two years after they made the playoffs. Gotta make the playoffs first.

SF88: Replies ... where's our Curry/Superstar?

Bigfoot: Curry wasn't considered a superstar until just recently

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was
...

Revived · Post #1584 » by **Revived** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:16 am

Scubetrolis wrote:Gambo's only late cause he is too busy obsessing over his fiance now.

She looks like she could be his daughter.

Post #1585 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:17 am

ShawnBronald wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
ShawnBronald wrote:Just curious, has anyone that was against the Chandler signing initially changed their tune after watching the press conference? Obviously results on the floor are all that matter, but I really like what I've heard so far and believe he will be a valuable piece to this team.
yeah he certainly is saying all the right things. I scoff a bit at bringing players in as "leaders" because isn't that what coaches are for but maybe I need to change my thinking on that.

Yes and no. Coaches can only do so much during practice and on the bench. Sometimes you need a locker room and on-court general. It's like when you were in school. The teachers and pricipal were authority figures, they told you what to do, but you didn't necessarily always listen. If a respected classmate or friend told you the same thing, you'd be more likely to listen. In a basketball environment, if a guy can go out and back up what they preach it means more than a coach that's been away from the game for a while and younger guys might think they're "out of touch". It's different with other coaches, obviously. Every player, young or old, would respect what Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich or Pat Riley told them. On the other hand, a younger coach with less success (i.e. Hornacek), not so much. I think Tyson is a great bridge between the coaching staff and the young team.

Great post

Revived · Post #1586 » by **Revived** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:17 am

bigfoot wrote:
Moochthemonkey wrote:Blake Griffin, Thabeet, Harden, Evans, Rubio, Flynn, Curry were all drafted as lottery picks expected to be all star players or at the very least cornerstones of a franchise.

Blake Griffin has met expectations, Harden and Curry have exceeded theirs, Evans and Rubio have been somewhat disappointing but still solid players. Thabeet and Flynn are not in the league. Point being projected talent is never a surefire thing. More importantly, just having a great player or even have an amalagation of great players doesn't entail a great, or having a great team. Case in point being the Atlanta Hawks don't and never really had any superstars unless you count Joe Johnson as a superstar and were "treadmilling" for 7 years before last season.

Btw, don't know why All-Star selection is being used as a gauge for worth. Gimpy Kobe still gets selected every year, as did Tmac in his twilight years, it's a popularity contest decided largely by casual fans. Besides, even if there were 40 Lebron James calibre players disseminated across all 5 positions per conference, there is still only 2-3 spots per position, so players that are truly deserving of a spot will sometimes not get picked.

Sorry Mooch ... here is the rehash in nut shell

Bigfoot: In presser Tyson Chandler said making the playoffs is the first goal. I add that GSW didn't win a championship until two years after they made the playoffs. Gotta make the playoffs first.

SF88: Replies ... where's our Curry/Superstar?

Bigfoot: Curry wasn't considered a superstar until just recently

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was

BIgfoot: Oh no he wasn't

SF88: Oh yes he was
...

That was good.

bigfoot · Post #1587 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:18 am

Hey bwgood ... how bout updating the poll ...

What was the most important off season transaction

1) Trading away Marcus, Granger, Bullock to Pistons
2) Signing restricted free agent Brandon Knight
3) Signing free agent Tyson Chandler
4) Signing free agent Mirza Teletovic
5) Signing free agent Sunny Weems

saintEscaton · Post #1588 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:18 am

Ok lets all chill out and sip some koolaid.

bigfoot · Post #1589 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:18 am

SF88 wrote:
Scubetrolis wrote:Gambo's only late cause he is too busy obsessing over his fiance now.

She looks like she could be his daughter.

Pictures ???

bigfoot · Post #1590 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:20 am

saintEscaton wrote:Ok lets all chill out and sip some koolaid.

Yeah the bourbon is wearing off. Need another big glass

Moochthemonkey · Post #1591 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:21 am

saintEscaton wrote:Ok lets all chill out and sip some koolaid.

better be grape

Sunsdeuce · Post #1592 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:22 am

bigfoot wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Scubetrolis wrote:Gambo's only late cause he is too busy obsessing over his fiance now.

She looks like she could be his daughter.

Pictures ???

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gambo987/status/618885861506023424[/tweet]

NaturalBuns · Post #1593 » by **NaturalBuns** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:22 am

This offseason would of been good if it wasn't for the chandler signing. Wasted cap

Post #1594 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:25 am

JMac1 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVNabn1U0M[/youtube]

what a great signing. his shooting is gonna open our offense up the way Frye used to.

bigfoot · Post #1595 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:25 am

NaturalBuns wrote:This offseason would of been good if it wasn't for the chandler signing. Wasted cap

Boooooooooooo!

NTB · Post #1596 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:28 am

bigfoot wrote:Hey bwgood ... how bout updating the poll ...

What was the most important off season transaction

1) Trading away Marcus, Granger, Bullock to Pistons
2) Signing restricted free agent Brandon Knight
3) Signing free agent Tyson Chandler
4) Signing free agent Mirza Teletovic
5) Signing free agent Sunny Weems

3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > 5

I love Weems though.

Moochthemonkey · Post #1597 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:28 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
SF88 wrote:She looks like she could be his daughter.

Pictures ???

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gambo987/status/618885861506023424[/tweet]

wow. She is very attractive

saintEscaton · Post #1598 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:28 am

bigfoot wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Ok lets all chill out and sip some koolaid.

Yeah the bourbon is wearing off. Need another big glass

I love all of you guyz. The warring words and intense exchanges only solidify our bonds of cyber-camaraderie

Moochthemonkey · Post #1599 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:28 am

bigfoot wrote:Hey bwgood ... how bout updating the poll ...

What was the most important off season transaction

1) Trading away Marcus, Granger, Bullock to Pistons
2) Signing restricted free agent Brandon Knight
3) Signing free agent Tyson Chandler
4) Signing free agent Mirza Teletovic
5) Signing free agent Sunny Weems

Disrespectful. You forgot Ronnie Price

Post #1600 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:30 am

ginobiliflops wrote:C'mon guys. Any of us would be mad if our team just salary dumped our brother in a trade. He hasn't said anything public besides his Twitter post " it's a foul game". Give him a chance to see how he reacts before we assume he's going to pout the whole year about it.

Yes, I can't believe people are saying he is going to pout all season. I mean if you are a twin and have lived you whole life minus a couple years with him you are close, and we all know they are, so when they get separated, got back together, and then it happens a second time, it's gotta be disappointing, especially since the first time was kind of not something that they could control due to the draft. Then they get back together and all is good again (this was just a bad and stupid decision thinking about it now...because twins need to learn to be on their own....if they are finally carving a path, don't put them right back together....the more I think about this, the stupider it becomes...what an awful strategy).

He isn't happy. Why would he be? But he's going to get past it. He already seemed much more grown up than Marcus, and with Tyson around, it will help more. Tyson will tell him "hey, don't argue with refs because it doesn't matter...once they call something that is it...it doesn't matter what happened that others didn't see...that's because you are not a savvy fouler".