Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

Flying Colors · Post #1641 » by **Flying Colors** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:14 am

bhawk wrote:Suns had a presser today and didn't mention Knight once... I thought he would be a part of the announcements? Is he already signed and I missed it? Entirely possible btw...

hmmm.... i imagine it doesn't mean much, B Knight officially signing his contract has to come last out of anything in order to be able to sign everyone else, i imagine Knight will ink his contract tomorrow or the day after that (that is unless it already happened)

Post #1642 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:16 am

sunsbum wrote:I love teletovics nickname #kingslayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bhRrOAI-0

If its not, it should be.

I think you need another bobblehead...didn't you have a jj bobblehead that made you pissed off he was traded?

bigfoot · Post #1643 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:26 am

Flying Colors wrote:
bhawk wrote:Suns had a presser today and didn't mention Knight once... I thought he would be a part of the announcements? Is he already signed and I missed it? Entirely possible btw...

hmmm.... i imagine it doesn't mean much, B Knight officially signing his contract has to come last out of anything in order to be able to sign everyone else, i imagine Knight will ink his contract tomorrow or the day after that (that is unless it already happened)

Babby was very clear at the beginning of the presser. They were only allowed to talk about two transactions.

1) Signing Chandler
2) Trading Marcus, Granger, and Bullock.

However, Tyson mentioned something about playing with Knight and Bledsoe in the pick and roll

nevetsov · Post #1644 » by **nevetsov** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:26 am

Kieff might be given a chance to play, but if he pouts his way through the start of the season he can easily be traded. At worst, we could ship him off to Detroit for someone like Ilyasova.

RunDogGun · Post #1645 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:30 am

SideSwipe wrote:Guys, I'm thinking the cap magic at work here might be the $5.5 mil Dragic exception, which may still leave us with some minor cap space to sign and/or absorb. The exception from Dragic is exactly $5.5 per ESPN.

Isn't it a trade exception? Since the Nets renounced his rights making him an UFA, I don't think we can do a sign and trade to get him, right? But if we can use it to sign a player, wouldn't we have to be over the cap to use it?

DirtyDez · Post #1646 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:40 am

My expectations are very low for Mirza. His supposed best tool is far from great and he's dealt with serious medical issues. For the price I suppose there's no point in complaining though. I still think the best move so far is dumping salary on Detroit.

SideSwipe · Post #1647 » by **SideSwipe** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:43 am

RunDogGun wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:Guys, I'm thinking the cap magic at work here might be the $5.5 mil Dragic exception, which may still leave us with some minor cap space to sign and/or absorb. The exception from Dragic is exactly $5.5 per ESPN.

Isn't it a trade exception? Since the Nets renounced his rights making him an UFA, I don't think we can do a sign and trade to get him, right? But if we can use it to sign a player, wouldn't we have to be over the cap to use it?

They rescinded the QO, not sure if that means they lose bird rights, it just makes him a UFA like any other UFA, I think. UFA's can be signed and traded and if bird rights are still there they can go over the cap to do it. The value of the contract, and the value of Dragic's trade expception matched exactly, that's what is making me think that. I could be off base, but it would seem to make some sense.

JMac1 · Post #1648 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:56 am

NTB wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:The Suns are finally building a team based around a defensive foundation. Probably the first time I remember that in franchise history. It is amazing to see. That is why I love the Chandler signing. Never before have the Suns had such strength at the center position. No more layups drills for opposing defenses. When Bledsoe or whoever else funnels their man to the middle, Chandler and/or Len will be there waiting to defend.

Unfortunately I see one glaring hole defensively in the starting lineup and that is Markieff. It is why I believe the Suns will trade him before the season. Too much has happened between him and the organization and he needs to be traded. I still do not know who could replace him but there has to be someone out there on a one year deal or through a trade that can take his place. I hope it happens soon.

%100 agreed. Definitely impressed with this defensive team. I don't remember this kind of defensive team in Suns history either.

Bledsoe
Tucker
Chandler

That is nice.

Also, I haven't been here for a while, but what is up with this Curry discussion :-?

It's rhetorical, please don't answer....

letsgosuns · Post #1649 » by **letsgosuns** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:56 am

How many people on here think the Suns will make a play for Kevin Durant next summer?

Flying Colors · Post #1650 » by **Flying Colors** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:01 am

letsgosuns wrote:How many people on here think the Suns will make a play for Kevin Durant next summer?

they will for sure, whether they actually land him they.... probably not

NTB · Post #1651 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:01 am

JMac1 wrote:
NTB wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:The Suns are finally building a team based around a defensive foundation. Probably the first time I remember that in franchise history. It is amazing to see. That is why I love the Chandler signing. Never before have the Suns had such strength at the center position. No more layups drills for opposing defenses. When Bledsoe or whoever else funnels their man to the middle, Chandler and/or Len will be there waiting to defend.

Unfortunately I see one glaring hole defensively in the starting lineup and that is Markieff. It is why I believe the Suns will trade him before the season. Too much has happened between him and the organization and he needs to be traded. I still do not know who could replace him but there has to be someone out there on a one year deal or through a trade that can take his place. I hope it happens soon.

%100 agreed. Definitely impressed with this defensive team. I don't remember this kind of defensive team in Suns history either.

Bledsoe
Tucker
Chandler

That is nice.

Also, I haven't been here for a while, but what is up with this Curry discussion It's rhetorical, please don't answer....

Elite - Near Elite = Bledsoe, Tyson

Near Elite - Above average = Tucker, Len

Above average = Weems, Warren(via coach Bjorksen), Booker (?)

Average = Knight, Goodwin, Price (?), Teletovic (?)

JMac1 · Post #1652 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:15 am

NTB wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
NTB wrote:
%100 agreed. Definitely impressed with this defensive team. I don't remember this kind of defensive team in Suns history either.

Bledsoe
Tucker
Chandler

That is nice.

Also, I haven't been here for a while, but what is up with this Curry discussion It's rhetorical, please don't answer....

Elite - Near Elite = Bledsoe, Tyson

Near Elite - Above average = Tucker, Len

Above average = Weems, Warren(via coach Bjorksen), Booker (?)

Average = Knight, Goodwin, Price (?), Teletovic (?)

I was going to put up my favorite line-up, but man we have so many options..... Excited about the year, especially with Dallas and Portland taking a fall.

Depth
Depth
and more depth!!

Bledsoe/Knight
Knight /Weems/Booker
Tucker/Warren
Kieff/Teletovic/Len
Chandler/Len

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1653 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:22 am

RunDogGun wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:Guys, I'm thinking the cap magic at work here might be the $5.5 mil Dragic exception, which may still leave us with some minor cap space to sign and/or absorb. The exception from Dragic is exactly $5.5 per ESPN.

Isn't it a trade exception? Since the Nets renounced his rights making him an UFA, I don't think we can do a sign and trade to get him, right? But if we can use it to sign a player, wouldn't we have to be over the cap to use it?

yeah I don't think it can be a sign and trade since the Nets renounced his rights.

I also think you lose your trade exceptions once you go under the cap so I think the dragic one is gone as of today. I didn't know this rule but saw some NBA cap dude like Coon explaining this to some Knicks fans on twitter.

Post #1654 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:22 am

Man... I hope the Spurs fall off this year. They are just so old.

AtheJ415 · Post #1655 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:28 am

1UPZ wrote:Suns were willing to trade Stoudemire for Curry... by Kerr/Sarver

Think about that for a minute...

Curry was considered Nash-like and potentially heir to Nash back then.
Saying he didnt become a star until now is also disregarding that he had 2 bad ankle injuries in his early days....

Curry was always going to be at minimum, a borderline star... even better than Bledsoe or Knight currently.

Now with the modern NBA the way it is... Curry and players like him are having/will have their golden era.

You just can't say this stuff because the Suns wanted him in the draft. Does that mean Brandon Wright had superstar potential? After all, he went just 1 spot later in the previous year's draft than Curry, and the Suns wanted Wright also in that Amare trade.

The fact is that after numerous seasons in the NBA, including seasons in which he was healthy 90+% of the time, Steph Curry was a non all-star who got extended to a $12 million a year deal because he simply wasn't considered a superstar or potential superstar (hell, people in FA have gotten maxes based solely on potential before, and Steph still didn't), which many commentators thought was an overpay at the time. He was never an all-nba player until this past season, age 27. His game stepped up dramatically across the board. It's not as if he was always this good but never healthy--in individual groups of games he never played at this level. His per game numbers jumped too.

Also, the last part has no real justification, particularly when you look at their numbers at similar ages, and particularly when you factor in how awful Curry was defensively (one of the worst in the league until this season).

AtheJ415 · Post #1656 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:35 am

1UPZ wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns were willing to trade Stoudemire for Curry... by Kerr/Sarver

Think about that for a minute...

Curry was considered Nash-like and potentially heir to Nash back then.
Saying he didnt become a star until now is also disregarding that he had 2 bad ankle injuries in his early days....

Curry was always going to be at minimum, a borderline star... even better than Bledsoe or Knight currently.

Now with the modern NBA the way it is... Curry and players like him are having/will have their golden era.

Curry for Amare with bad knees and a pending free agent. We see how that worked out for the Knicks. Look if Curry was the Nash heir apparent why did he get drafted after Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, Rubio, and Jonny Flynn. Curry was a number 7 pick that panned out really well for GSW. I'd say one out of ten of all seventh round picks ends up at the all-star level

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/7th-overall/70509/

You can just say you disagree because so and so..

But dont make up things and assume Amare was a cripple at the time of the trade.

Knicks medical approved Amare in that sign and trade.

Amare at the time of Curry trade was fine. Not injured.

And just to save you time... I disagree with your version of events and opinion... lets end it there.

Curry was a borderline star from the get go, became a legit Star by his 4th season... could of been his 3rd but got injured.

You have your version and others have their own.

Discussion ends there, since you wont budge and I wont either.

I want to know why Curry was a "borderline star" with his numbers during his age 23 season (4-5 years ago) and Knight is not. Same for age 25 if you factor in Bledsoe's drastically greater defensive contributions.

STEV13 · Post #1657 » by **STEV13** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:37 am

Love the Teletovic signing. Can't wait to see him and Len off the bench, and also with TJ. Damn that'll be so much more exciting to see than Wright and Mook last year.

Anyway, seems pretty weird to me that McD hasn't even reached out Kieff after dumping Mook et al to the Pistons. Honestly, if we can find someone who can also start for us and dangle Kieff in the process, I wouldn't be surprised. To me, he still seems like the odd man out. But overall, I'm really happy to roll with this team. Realistically, we're looking at a better shot at making the post season.

AtheJ415 · Post #1658 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:41 am

Flying Colors wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:How many people on here think the Suns will make a play for Kevin Durant next summer?

they will for sure, whether they actually land him they.... probably not

This. We would be absolute morons to not try when we have max space, an up and coming team, and a giant hole at the 3 that he could simply walk into with a ready-made lineup around that 3 spot.

That said, everyone will have max space so it'll be tough. But the one thing you absolutely must do is make that call and set that meeting.

thamadkant · Post #1659 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:45 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Curry for Amare with bad knees and a pending free agent. We see how that worked out for the Knicks. Look if Curry was the Nash heir apparent why did he get drafted after Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, Rubio, and Jonny Flynn. Curry was a number 7 pick that panned out really well for GSW. I'd say one out of ten of all seventh round picks ends up at the all-star level

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/7th-overall/70509/

You can just say you disagree because so and so..

But dont make up things and assume Amare was a cripple at the time of the trade.

Knicks medical approved Amare in that sign and trade.

Amare at the time of Curry trade was fine. Not injured.

And just to save you time... I disagree with your version of events and opinion... lets end it there.

Curry was a borderline star from the get go, became a legit Star by his 4th season... could of been his 3rd but got injured.

You have your version and others have their own.

Discussion ends there, since you wont budge and I wont either.

I want to know why Curry was a "borderline star" with his numbers during his age 23 season (4-5 years ago) and Knight is not. Same for age 25 if you factor in Bledsoe's drastically greater defensive contributions.

My Curry-related post is STRICTLY stating my opinion that HE is a star level player from the get go..

Did I mention Knight or Bledsoe are not star level?
I mentioned Curry as being better... and he is....

But doesnt make Knight or Bledsoe bad... I didnt say they are bad.
I said Curry is better... and thats from my perspective. Which is allowed here right?... anyone can think differently.

RaisingArizona · Post #1660 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:54 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:C'mon guys. Any of us would be mad if our team just salary dumped our brother in a trade. He hasn't said anything public besides his Twitter post " it's a foul game". Give him a chance to see how he reacts before we assume he's going to pout the whole year about it.

Yes, I can't believe people are saying he is going to pout all season. I mean if you are a twin and have lived you whole life minus a couple years with him you are close, and we all know they are, so when they get separated, got back together, and then it happens a second time, it's gotta be disappointing, especially since the first time was kind of not something that they could control due to the draft. Then they get back together and all is good again (this was just a bad and stupid decision thinking about it now...because twins need to learn to be on their own....if they are finally carving a path, don't put them right back together....the more I think about this, the stupider it becomes...what an awful strategy).

He isn't happy. Why would he be? But he's going to get past it. He already seemed much more grown up than Marcus, and with Tyson around, it will help more. Tyson will tell him "hey, don't argue with refs because it doesn't matter...once they call something that is it...it doesn't matter what happened that others didn't see...that's because you are not a savvy fouler".