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Post#401 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:57 am

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BrotherDave wrote:Those brick hands caught Lance's passes just fine. You know, b/c he can actually pass instead of zipping balls at people's feet like a certain UConn guard.


Biyombo dropped plenty of Stephenson's passes too. Stephenson just happened to be so turnover prone elsewhere that it didn't hurt him to give Biyombo a whiff at it too. Indeed Stephenson was one of the few players that entrusted Biyombo's hands and Biyombo made a fair share of plays off those passes, but he still struggled in that aspect regardless of who threw him the ball


Doesn't matter. Asik was notorious for his "stone hands" with both the Bulls and Rockets. He was great at getting rebounds and passing out, but he was terrible at catching passes and had little offensive game. He caused the ball-handlers on the team, whether it was Lin or Harden, to routinely have to eat 1 or 2 turnovers a game due to Asik's stone hands dropping their passes. They kept feeding him in the hopes that he would develop, investing in the bigger role he was getting from his Bulls bench days, so they had to eat the turnovers caused by Asik's stone hands.

Yet, despite Asik's stone hands, he turned into a double double machine from being fed by Lin on P&R's.

If Lin could turn stone hands Asik into scoring double digits, despite the fact that Harden and Lin had to average a couple of turnovers every single game as a result of Asik dropping their passes, I'm sure Lin could have done the same to increase Biyombo's scoring by feeding him in P&R's.

Stone hands Asik or Brick Hands Biyombo makes no difference. If they can run the P&R, they'll get fed.


I watched enough of Asik on the Bulls to know that he had better hands then Biyombo. This is not to denounce Biyombo since I'm one of his bigger advocates on this board, but it was a known fact that he had a hard time catching passes and even when he did he wasn't the best at finishing unless there wasn't much of any traffic. Force feeding Biyombo just to try to attempt to get him over double digits scoring wasn't and isn't going to help any team's offense. These pro-Biyombo posters can try to say otherwise, but that's what it was. Ben Wallace in his prime always had great hands to catch the ball and the Pistons' players knew that he wasn't offensively aware so they knew not to pass him the ball much or even attempt to run plays for him, and this is a similar case with Biyombo even though I think he could be better than Wallace offensively

The moral of my previous post by mentioning Stephenson being a willing participant to pass Biyombo the ball is that it's not going to help a offense get over the threshold. Ignorance is bliss in this scenario
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Post#402 » by RollingWave » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:24 am

Wait, is no lob passing actually a thing with Clifford? that seems weird given that is actually a super high % success play in the NBA unless the lobber is Mathew Delleadova.
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Post#403 » by Braggins » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:45 am

RollingWave wrote:Wait, is no lob passing actually a thing with Clifford? that seems weird given that is actually a super high % success play in the NBA unless the lobber is Mathew Delleadova.

We have an inbounds play we use constantly that is supposed to set up a lob, but no one ever throws a lob on this team other than that play. I don't think it is that he necessarily doesn't allow lobs, but rather that he is super rigid and stresses low turnovers above almost all else so our players tend to not make many passes that seem risky.
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Post#404 » by RollingWave » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:54 am

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RollingWave wrote:Wait, is no lob passing actually a thing with Clifford? that seems weird given that is actually a super high % success play in the NBA unless the lobber is Mathew Delleadova.

We have an inbounds play we use constantly that is supposed to set up a lob, but no one ever throws a lob on this team other than that play. I don't think it is that he necessarily doesn't allow lobs, but rather that he is super rigid and stresses low turnovers above almost all else so our players tend to not make many passes that seem risky.

That'll go pretty poorly with Jeremy Lin's skill set, he's pretty much all about throwing the higher risk passes, maybe they'll change it a little bit this year. I know what Clifford's strategy is about but that would only go well if you have a tremendous offensive rebound team with this roster does not. and the defense while good is not elite enough to go with these sort of low risk offense exclusively.

It's a good slow down strategy in certain matchups, and most east teams play like that to some extend, but a good team probably need to have more than one trick up it's sleeve, especially one that doesn't have a truly dominant player.
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Post#405 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:42 pm

To a certain extent we don't know what we're going to get this season from Cliff. He said at times that the reason for his conservative defensive philosophy was because we just did not have the scoring ability on the other end, so we had to do the little things if we wanted to win. It was a consistent theme that we struggled to score so we had to limit scoring opportunities on defense.

That may not change at all this season, but it may. Time will tell.
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Post#406 » by Dancingpanda » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:27 pm

yosemiteben wrote:To a certain extent we don't know what we're going to get this season from Cliff. He said at times that the reason for his conservative defensive philosophy was because we just did not have the scoring ability on the other end, so we had to do the little things if we wanted to win. It was a consistent theme that we struggled to score so we had to limit scoring opportunities on defense.

That may not change at all this season, but it may. Time will tell.


was loging on to post the same thing.

With the roster we have now, im interested to see what Cliff can/will do.

Before he just had us play to our very limited stregths. now tthat we have so many options im excited to see how he coaches

on top of that i remeber him saying after preseason that we were not close to being ready for the season.
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Post#407 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:08 pm

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Braggins wrote:Fat Al is such a bummer... Making it hard for me to get excited about anything, even obviously good deals like this.

Lin fans should not be hoping for him to start. Playing all his minutes with Al is the last thing you guys should want. Trust me. Im jealous you guys will get to see Lin doing pick roll/pops with Kaminsky and Hawes while Kemba will still be stuck standing around on the wing waiting for Al to pass to him with 4 seconds left on the shot clock.

I got a feeling that Zeller gonna lose that spot to Kaminsky if he don't act better off that pick-n-pop instead of just being a prop. With that said looking at the lineup Kaminsky fit better with the starters and Zeller with the 2nd unit. Anyways I hate 2nd units. The coach should stagger the lineups. 4 to 5 bench players should hardly ever be in the game together all at once. That's asking for a negative outcome usually.


Both great posts. +1 and +1 from me.

I have an announcement to make as self-appointed Vice-Chairman of the Husky Gang (Mr KIA being the president). If you check the tape (offseason threads) I've been pro-SHOW-LIN-MASTER since long before Cho pulled this deal out of his butt. Jordan brand is expanding into Asia and Lin will get a cut of that cheese imo.

Oh yeah, the announcement…

AS VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE HUSKY GANG I WELCOME SHOW-LIN MASTER WITH OPEN ARMS AND I WANT HIM ON THIS TEAM PUSHING HIMSELF, PUSHING HIS TEAMMATES AND PUSHING KEMBA. I WANT THE TEAM TO DO BETTER BECAUSE I AM A HORNETS FAN. THANK YOU, NOW BACK TO OUR SPONSORS
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Post#408 » by qiantom » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:08 pm

So the coach wants to protect against offensive rebounds on defense but is unwilling to go for them on offense. Doesn't seem a consistent philosophy to me.
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Post#409 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:11 pm

qiantom wrote:So the coach wants to protect against offensive rebounds on defense but is unwilling to go for them on offense. Doesn't seem a consistent philosophy to me.

He wants to eliminate easy buckets. Points in transition and second chance putbacks are two varieties of easy buckets.
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Post#410 » by qiantom » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:15 pm

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qiantom wrote:So the coach wants to protect against offensive rebounds on defense but is unwilling to go for them on offense. Doesn't seem a consistent philosophy to me.

He wants to eliminate easy buckets. Points in transition and second chance putbacks are two varieties of easy buckets.


I see. He is also eliminating easy baskets for his own team though with this strategy. There can be a more balanced strategy.
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Post#411 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:17 pm

It would be unfortunate if Lin's new nickname isn't The Green Hornet. It was meant to be.


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Post#412 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:19 pm

catch20two wrote:Another thing about Lin. He don't get no calls and get abused by defenders. So get used to it. We're already used to MKG and Kemba not getting calls so it'll be okay.


I've noticed that. He gets the Zeller treatment. I mean he gets completely pummeled and no foul called.
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Post#413 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:21 pm

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BigSlam wrote:The biggest shame about the Lin signing is that Biyombo doesn't get to play with him.

Maybe MKG will benefit a little playing with a competent P&R point guard? It would do wonders for him if he could get 4-8 easy points a game playing with Lin. I'd love to see MKG setting some picks and rolling this season.


MKG would be most effective if he presents a threat from the corner three.


He took zero threes so the chance of him becoming most effective (with Lin) is zero.

I think MKG is a bad fit for the team, but we'll see how it pans out.
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Post#414 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:23 pm

LofJ wrote:Kemba, MKG, and Zeller are all beasts in transition. We just have to move Al to the bench and play small with Zeller at Center and MKG at PF to take advantage of Lin's transition game. People who have never watched us play will be really surprised by how fast Zeller and MKG are in the open court.


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Post#415 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:25 pm

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amcoolio wrote:Players who don't fit now though and are dead money: Marvin Williams, Brian Roberts, PJ Hairston.

Ha! The entire 2014 offseason minus the castaways. Lol. That was a pitiful offseason for how much money we had. Over 20 mil in cap space and two 1st rounders. Smh


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Post#416 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:28 pm

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qiantom wrote:So the coach wants to protect against offensive rebounds on defense but is unwilling to go for them on offense. Doesn't seem a consistent philosophy to me.

He wants to eliminate easy buckets. Points in transition and second chance putbacks are two varieties of easy buckets.


I see. He is also eliminating easy baskets for his own team though with this strategy. There can be a more balanced strategy.

Perhaps. I think it just fits into his broader defensive strategy of finishing plays on the defensive end.

It might look different this season. We'll see.
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Post#417 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:28 pm

amcoolio wrote:
catch20two wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Players who don't fit now though and are dead money: Marvin Williams, Brian Roberts, PJ Hairston.

Ha! The entire 2014 offseason minus the castaways. Lol. That was a pitiful offseason for how much money we had. Over 20 mil in cap space and two 1st rounders. Smh



That disaster of an offseason (one that saw a 44 win up and coming playoff team go back to 32 or whatever wins and lose all momentum):

Draft:
Noah Vonleh
PJ Hairson

Free Agency:
Lance Stephenson
Marvin Williams
Brian Roberts
Jason Maxiell

All of which are either gone or won't be in the rotation. Thats the #9th and #24th picks, and 20 million in cap space.


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Post#418 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:32 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Braggins wrote:Fat Al is such a bummer... Making it hard for me to get excited about anything, even obviously good deals like this.

Lin fans should not be hoping for him to start. Playing all his minutes with Al is the last thing you guys should want. Trust me. Im jealous you guys will get to see Lin doing pick roll/pops with Kaminsky and Hawes while Kemba will still be stuck standing around on the wing waiting for Al to pass to him with 4 seconds left on the shot clock.

I got a feeling that Zeller gonna lose that spot to Kaminsky if he don't act better off that pick-n-pop instead of just being a prop. With that said looking at the lineup Kaminsky fit better with the starters and Zeller with the 2nd unit. Anyways I hate 2nd units. The coach should stagger the lineups. 4 to 5 bench players should hardly ever be in the game together all at once. That's asking for a negative outcome usually.


Both great posts. +1 and +1 from me.

I have an announcement to make as self-appointed Vice-Chairman of the Husky Gang (Mr KIA being the president). If you check the tape (offseason threads) I've been pro-SHOW-LIN-MASTER since long before Cho pulled this deal out of his butt. Jordan brand is expanding into Asia and Lin will get a cut of that cheese imo.

Oh yeah, the announcement…

AS VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE HUSKIE GANG I WELCOME SHOW-LIN MASTER WITH OPEN ARMS AND I WANT HIM ON THIS TEAM PUSHING HIMSELF, PUSHING HIS TEAMMATES AND PUSHING KEMBA. I WANT THE TEAM TO DO BETTER BECAUSE I AM A HORNETS FAN. THANK YOU, NOW BACK TO OUR SPONSORS


You are a worthy vice-chairman. I love the Lin signing myself. Always been a distant fan of his since his Harvard days. Cho must be reading this board a lot lately. Lin was at the top of a few of our list
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Post#419 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:44 pm

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catch20two wrote:I got a feeling that Zeller gonna lose that spot to Kaminsky if he don't act better off that pick-n-pop instead of just being a prop. With that said looking at the lineup Kaminsky fit better with the starters and Zeller with the 2nd unit. Anyways I hate 2nd units. The coach should stagger the lineups. 4 to 5 bench players should hardly ever be in the game together all at once. That's asking for a negative outcome usually.


Both great posts. +1 and +1 from me.

I have an announcement to make as self-appointed Vice-Chairman of the Husky Gang (Mr KIA being the president). If you check the tape (offseason threads) I've been pro-SHOW-LIN-MASTER since long before Cho pulled this deal out of his butt. Jordan brand is expanding into Asia and Lin will get a cut of that cheese imo.

Oh yeah, the announcement…

AS VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE HUSKIE GANG I WELCOME SHOW-LIN MASTER WITH OPEN ARMS AND I WANT HIM ON THIS TEAM PUSHING HIMSELF, PUSHING HIS TEAMMATES AND PUSHING KEMBA. I WANT THE TEAM TO DO BETTER BECAUSE I AM A HORNETS FAN. THANK YOU, NOW BACK TO OUR SPONSORS


You are a worthy vice-chairman. I love the Lin signing myself. Always been a distant fan of his since his Harvard days. Cho must be reading this board a lot lately. Lin was at the top of a few of our list


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Post#420 » by RollingWave » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:56 pm

nah, Lin gets plenty of calls , his free throw per field goal percentage last year was .410 , that's much higher than Kemba (.288) . (mostly because he simply go at the basket a lot more.) and he's pretty darn good at drawing offensive fouls on the other end.

If there's one skill attribute that most coach should love about Lin, it's that he doesn't give a f*ck about taking hits on either ends of the floor, and he does a very good job of drawing the foul, aka standing strait outside of the restricted area and falling back strait as well.

Oh he sells some calls and gets them, not superstar calls certainly, but he does his share of exaggerations . (not Carlos Boozer level exaggerations obviously)
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