Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[jivelikenice]

They drafted Oubre Jr knowing their plan this offseason was to add wings and not rely on him. Nothing has changed. Why would they have ANY interest in trading him right now?

[LyricalRico]

They drafted Oubre Jr knowing their plan this offseason was to add wings and not rely on him. Nothing has changed. Why would they have ANY interest in trading him right now?

This.

[Ruzious]

Milwaukee has a 4.2 mil and a 5.2 mil TPE and could use a replacement for Dudley off the bench. If Wash has any 2nd round picks left, it might be possible to dump Webster IF MIL thinkS Webster is healthy. (Keeping in mind they dumped Duldey to create cap space in order to sign Monroe and now they can afford to take on space because that's accomplished and they have the TPE's.) Webster would also replace Duds as the colorful personality on the team.

[pcbothwel]

Milwaukee has a 4.2 mil and a 5.2 mil TPE and could use a replacement for Dudley off the bench. If Wash has any 2nd round picks left, it might be possible to dump Webster IF MIL thinkS Webster is healthy. (Keeping in mind they dumped Duldey to create cap space in order to sign Monroe and now they can afford to take on space because that's accomplished and they have the TPE's.) Webster would also replace Duds as the colorful personality on the team.

Ruz, Webster makes 5.6 so he cant fit into their exceptions. i mentioned this in the Gooden thread, but i think a move maybe Charlotte closer to the deadline.

but there is a chance Webster comes back and hits his 3's. If he shows himself capable of that, then I could definitely see a team like Charlotte taking him on for Marvin Williams. They already have Kaminsky and Hawes as 4/5's who hit the 3, but MKG and Kemba cant hit them and if Batum shoots them at 32% clip like last year then they could use spot up shooter in fighting for a playoff spot.

Williams is an expiring and we could use a stretch 4

[Ruzious]

Thanks for the correction. I've been out of town and out of touch. 5.6 mil for Webster... smh, what a contract. Welp, Webster is definitely going to have to prove he's healthy in order to move him.

[jivelikenice]

^Buyout.

[LyricalRico]

Thanks for the correction. I've been out of town and out of touch. 5.6 mil for Webster... smh, what a contract. Welp, Webster is definitely going to have to prove he's healthy in order to move him.

I still say Webster+2nd to Philly for Jason Thompson works for both teams. Contracts are almost identical, and it balances both teams. We'd be super deep at that point IMO.

Come to think of it, with all the wings the team has added, they might be in a position where they can sit Webster all year and prevent him from playing enough games to get his partial guarantee but not have an issue with the players association. That position also gives them leverage in buyout talks.

[Ruzious]

Thanks for the correction. I've been out of town and out of touch. 5.6 mil for Webster... smh, what a contract. Welp, Webster is definitely going to have to prove he's healthy in order to move him.

I still say Webster+2nd to Philly for Jason Thompson works for both teams. Contracts are almost identical, and it balances both teams. We'd be super deep at that point IMO.

Come to think of it, with all the wings the team has added, they might be in a position where they can sit Webster all year and prevent him from playing enough games to get his partial guarantee but not have an issue with the players association. That position also gives them leverage in buyout talks.

Doesn't Thompson have another year left on his contract? If so, wouldn't that be a deal-breaker for the Wiz?

[LyricalRico]

Thanks for the correction. I've been out of town and out of touch. 5.6 mil for Webster... smh, what a contract. Welp, Webster is definitely going to have to prove he's healthy in order to move him.

I still say Webster+2nd to Philly for Jason Thompson works for both teams. Contracts are almost identical, and it balances both teams. We'd be super deep at that point IMO.

Come to think of it, with all the wings the team has added, they might be in a position where they can sit Webster all year and prevent him from playing enough games to get his partial guarantee but not have an issue with the players association. That position also gives them leverage in buyout talks.

Doesn't Thompson have another year left on his contract? If so, wouldn't that be a deal-breaker for the Wiz?

Thompson's last year is partially guaranteed for about the same amount that Webster's is (assuming he meets the games played threshold). So if the Wizards were expecting to have to pay somebody around $2.5 to go away next summer anyway, might as well spend it on a guy that's more likely to help them this year. That's what I was thinking.

[LyricalRico]

Miami just signed Amare. What about Webster for McBob? We add a PF without adding much to our 2016 salary, the Heat save longterm.

[montestewart]

Miami just signed Amare. What about Webster for McBob? We add a PF without adding much to our 2016 salary, the Heat save longterm.

Get 'er done, LR!

PS: How much is he owed?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Miami just signed Amare. What about Webster for McBob? We add a PF without adding much to our 2016 salary, the Heat save longterm.

Get 'er done, LR!

PS: How much is he owed?

Webster for McRoberts would be outstanding!

[Liverbird]

I like the idea Ruz(?) proposed where we send our TPE to Houston for Terence Jones or Donatas Montejunas. Seems Houston is overloaded at the PF position. Probably insufficient value for Houston, but would they consider if they wanted the cap space to resign JSmoove for example?

[jivelikenice]

I like the idea Ruz(?) proposed where we send our TPE to Houston for Terence Jones or Donatas Montejunas. Seems Houston is overloaded at the PF position. Probably insufficient value for Houston, but would they consider if they wanted the cap space to resign JSmoove for example?

T Jones is the perfect trade target. Plays a position of need and his cap hold shouldn't get in the way of the pursuit of KD. You sign KD and the re-sign Jones and you actually have what looks like a complete team. Worst case, we miss on KD; Jones would be a prime target regardless and having him in house the prior year can be an advantage

[nate33]

completely removing the context in regards to the movement of wiggins and vonleh is not the best way to begin a counterpoint

Agreed. The Wiggins trade was essentially the trade of a draft pick, not an actual player. He hadn't played a second in the NBA so he still had all of the hopeful potential (and risk) of a unknown draft pick.

Players that have played for a year or two almost never get traded. The reason is that the team who owns the player only sees the upside, while everyone else is more objective. The two sides can never agree on fair valuation. Basically, if a team is willing to trade away it's own player after only a year or two, chances are, they know full well that he's a bust.

[nate33]

Miami just signed Amare. What about Webster for McBob? We add a PF without adding much to our 2016 salary, the Heat save longterm.

If we ignore our obligations to Webster, and assuming we cut Humphries, we have $9M in cap room next year. As of now, $2.5M of that $9M goes to Webster (unless he can be stretched, in which case that $2.5M figure drops to $0.8M), leaving $6.5M (or maybe $8.2M) to work with.

McRoberts is owed $5.8M next year. If we made this trade, we'd have McRoberts in place of Webster's buyout, but we'd only have $3.2M left to work with.

[nate33]

I like the idea Ruz(?) proposed where we send our TPE to Houston for Terence Jones or Donatas Montejunas. Seems Houston is overloaded at the PF position. Probably insufficient value for Houston, but would they consider if they wanted the cap space to resign JSmoove for example?

We don't have a TPE big enough for Jones.

Also, I don't see the incentive for Houston. Right now, they have the potential to set up for max cap room next year around a lineup of Beverlee, Harden, Ariza, Jones and Howard.

[payitforward]

completely removing the context in regards to the movement of wiggins and vonleh is not the best way to begin a counterpoint

Oh, you're right. And that's the point I was making -- about your post!

You offered no context for the move of Vonleh, and from *one instance* you generalized to a rule, then you turned around and applied the rule to the one case! Absent any context.

[payitforward]

completely removing the context in regards to the movement of wiggins and vonleh is not the best way to begin a counterpoint

Agreed. The Wiggins trade was essentially the trade of a draft pick, not an actual player. He hadn't played a second in the NBA so he still had all of the hopeful potential (and risk) of a unknown draft pick.

Players that have played for a year or two almost never get traded. The reason is that the team who owns the player only sees the upside, while everyone else is more objective. The two sides can never agree on fair valuation. Basically, if a team is willing to trade away it's own player after only a year or two, chances are, they know full well that he's a bust.

Look... I don't want to create an argument by adding another abstract hypothetical to a building and building tower of them. So please take the following as a comment only on that -- the tower of hypotheticals -- rather than as a next step in an argument that could never be settled (for precisely that reason), ok?

That said, here it is: if "everyone else" is "objective" then it's irrelevant that the "team... trading away its own player after only a year or two... know(s) full well that he's a bust." Everyone else would know that as well.

Again, this is just a pile-up of imaginary, and no doubt sensible-seeming, ideas independent of all the possible counter-instances. How long a list do you want of 1st rounders traded away in their first couple of years, where it's not like the abstraction at all?

Lets start w/ Nikola Vucevic. But, no, in fact lets not. Lets please not find some other way to prove some unproveable point.

[payitforward]

I like the idea Ruz(?) proposed where we send our TPE to Houston for Terence Jones or Donatas Montejunas. Seems Houston is overloaded at the PF position. Probably insufficient value for Houston, but would they consider if they wanted the cap space to resign JSmoove for example?

We don't have a TPE big enough for Jones.

Also, I don't see the incentive for Houston. Right now, they have the potential to set up for max cap room next year around a lineup of Beverlee, Harden, Ariza, Jones and Howard.

Jones would be a good get -- but don't we have 15 players already at this point?

I.e. can't get him w/ a TPE and I don't see a workable trade either. Am I missing something?