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Re: NBA SL: Kings @ Raps July 10 3:30 PT 

Post#41 » by KF10 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:54 pm

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He's a little bit stuck at Kentucky right now. I can't believe he didn't get called for defensive 3 seconds a couple of times. Then a few times he's went to switch and his teammate didn't reciprocate leaving a lane right to the rim.


Right but that can be re-adjusted once he gets experience under his belt. His foot speed and just the overall mobility on defense is almost perfect, imo.



Yeah, but on the switching part it's his teammates and/or coach that needs to adjust. They should be switching. :x


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Post#42 » by teerfour+40LG » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:58 pm

WTCS just beat everyone down the floor and got an easy dunk.

EDIT: and he did it again!
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Post#43 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:24 am

Well, I didn't like much of what I saw in that one and it fed into every fear I have about a team looking to score out of the post or create going to the rim without the shooting and spacing to accomplish it. That right there was true to form Keith Smart basketball!

The one glimmer of hope is when they went small with Willie at C and Duken at PF. That was the only time I saw the Raptors defenders more than 5 feet away from one another.

I'm not sure Moreland and Willie can play together on a team with this build, and certainly not in the post. I think that's a bogus move anyway because for either one to fit in with the real team playing in the post isn't any way for them to do it. You now have Rondo and Cousins expected to somehow co-exist under the rim already, lets see them shoot! That's their only hope.
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Post#44 » by teerfour+40LG » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:55 am

I didn't like what I saw either, but both of our point guards were out with sprained ankles. If they stay out, it's gonna stay ugly.
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Post#45 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:07 am

Without a solid floor general to get us in and out of sets and control the pace we struggled. Stone was having trouble controlling his dribble bring the ball up the court and he was the primary ball handler. Staten came in for limited minutes and pushed the ball up the court and got players open shots with his vision and ability to keep the defense on their heels.

I think this team looks way better with Stockton on the court. We have shooting in Anderson, Mckissic and Dukan and interior defnese and rebounding from WCS, Moreland and Sim. If we had balance we look much better. It starts with the guy getting us into the offense and controlling the pace.

Non of our big guys have strong post games and or soft hands on the interior, so when we tried to rely on them for offense early on it looked bad. The Raptors naturally collapsed and caused turnovers. If we were able to play the way we wanted to early on, I think the dribble drives hand offs baskets, transition baskets and kick-outs would have made it a better showing and showcased our guys strengths more. We did alittle bit toward the end of the 2nd and in the 3rd and we looked better. WCS also had his best runs during those times.

This game also showed that we are right to find insurance for WCS and even Moreland. Bringing in a guy who's offensives game is more then transition baskets in the frontcourt would help this team. I definitely didn't see anything to warrant 15mins for WCS or Moreland in the current NBA. They both look VERY raw. It was the first game of the summer league...we'll see how things go as the games continue.
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Post#46 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:07 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:I didn't like what I saw either, but both of our point guards were out with sprained ankles. If they stay out, it's gonna stay ugly.


I could have just posted ditto haha
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NBA SL: Kings @ Raps July 10 3:30 PT 

Post#47 » by nolimit0820 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:12 am

WCS is not going to shine in SL. He will shine when he's the 5th option on the floor. I want to see him make his FTs, run the floor, crash the boards hard, finish around the rim, guard multiple players. Outside of that is offensive game is raw and expecting him to dominate a SL game is irrelevant


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Post#48 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:22 am

He looked good running the floor and in transition defense and hit his quick post-up turnaround bank ins. He did shine in those areas. That is his game so if you were expecting anything other then that then you were disappointed.
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Post#49 » by Kings2013 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:24 am

benchmobbin02 wrote:Without a solid floor general to get us in and out of sets and control the pace we struggled. Stone was having trouble controlling his dribble bring the ball up the court and he was the primary ball handler. Staten came in for limited minutes and pushed the ball up the court and got players open shots with his vision and ability to keep the defense on their heels.

I think this team looks way better with Stockton on the court. We have shooting in Anderson, Mckissic and Dukan and interior defnese and rebounding from WCS, Moreland and Sim. If we had balance we look much better. It starts with the guy getting us into the offense and controlling the pace.

Non of our big guys have strong post games and or soft hands on the interior, so when we tried to rely on them for offense early on it looked bad. The Raptors naturally collapsed and caused turnovers. If we were able to play the way we wanted to early on, I think the dribble drives hand offs baskets, transition baskets and kick-outs would have made it a better showing and showcased our guys strengths more. We did alittle bit toward the end of the 2nd and in the 3rd and we looked better. WCS also had his best runs during those times.

This game also showed that we are right to find insurance for WCS and even Moreland. Bringing in a guy who's offensives game is more then transition baskets in the frontcourt would help this team. I definitely didn't see anything to warrant 15mins for WCS or Moreland in the current NBA. They both look VERY raw. It was the first game of the summer league...we'll see how things go as the games continue.


I'd like more from WCS this tournament but I don't see a scenario where he isn't in the rotation at all this year, but we will see
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Post#50 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:35 am

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benchmobbin02 wrote:Without a solid floor general to get us in and out of sets and control the pace we struggled. Stone was having trouble controlling his dribble bring the ball up the court and he was the primary ball handler. Staten came in for limited minutes and pushed the ball up the court and got players open shots with his vision and ability to keep the defense on their heels.

I think this team looks way better with Stockton on the court. We have shooting in Anderson, Mckissic and Dukan and interior defnese and rebounding from WCS, Moreland and Sim. If we had balance we look much better. It starts with the guy getting us into the offense and controlling the pace.

Non of our big guys have strong post games and or soft hands on the interior, so when we tried to rely on them for offense early on it looked bad. The Raptors naturally collapsed and caused turnovers. If we were able to play the way we wanted to early on, I think the dribble drives hand offs baskets, transition baskets and kick-outs would have made it a better showing and showcased our guys strengths more. We did alittle bit toward the end of the 2nd and in the 3rd and we looked better. WCS also had his best runs during those times.

This game also showed that we are right to find insurance for WCS and even Moreland. Bringing in a guy who's offensives game is more then transition baskets in the frontcourt would help this team. I definitely didn't see anything to warrant 15mins for WCS or Moreland in the current NBA. They both look VERY raw. It was the first game of the summer league...we'll see how things go as the games continue.


I'd like more from WCS this tournament but I don't see a scenario where he isn't in the rotation at all this year, but we will see


I don't either, he will definitely continue to get better and more confident. In training camp he will be playing with talent far superior to this. So his liabilities will not be such a detriment to the team when surrounded by guys and a style that fit him. Now how much he is able to play in those sets depends on his ability provide energy, stay focused and improve his game thru hard work and maturity. I didn't see enough this game to warrant MAJOR mins (more than 15) for him in the NBA. But for all the above reasons, this is the beginning, not the end of the path for him.
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Re: NBA SL: Kings @ Raps July 10 3:30 PT 

Post#51 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:54 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:I didn't like what I saw either, but both of our point guards were out with sprained ankles. If they stay out, it's gonna stay ugly.


It should help but unless they can help spread the floor or these non-shooters start hitting shots that defense against them will probably look identical in the other games. Also, Stone has a history with Karl so he's here for a reason. The Raptors shot just as bad as the Kings did from deep and they still won by that much. The lineup they put out there is like having 3 John Salmons' out on the perimeter. Anytime one of them get the ball their first instinct is to put it back on the floor and dribble into traffic. Not so good when you're running straight into your own bigs in the process. If they want to do that put Moreland and Willie up high for some jump shots. They should be doing that anyway IMO.

We'll see how they adjust but the only thing that looked like a real basketball setup was when they went smaller. They still didn't hit their shots but at least they opened up the middle of the floor decently.
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Re: NBA SL: Kings @ Raps July 10 3:30 PT 

Post#52 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:59 am

One positive is I thought Sim looked pretty good out there. In a game where your team plays up tempo and still struggles to score 70 the little things naturally go by unnoticed but his rebound work and outlet passing were good in the 2nd half.
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Post#53 » by City of Trees » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:46 am

I dont stress about how the SL team plays. These are a bunch of guys fighting for a career and trying to shine. Most of them will never reach the league.

But if we're gonna concern ourselves with winning I wouldn't worry. Mr. Triple double himself will carry the team when he comes back. Hawkins too.

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Re: NBA SL: Kings @ Raps July 10 3:30 PT 

Post#54 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:44 am

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teerfour+40LG wrote:I didn't like what I saw either, but both of our point guards were out with sprained ankles. If they stay out, it's gonna stay ugly.


I could have just posted ditto haha


Your right, with our point guards on the floor we will look a lot better on offense. They will help get us into the offense much faster and with more pace. They will keep the ball moving and creating open opportunities for our shooters. Stone was sub par as a facilitator and he maybe be a decent ball handler but not good enough create for his teammates as the end results showed. He was forced into the role so its not really a judgement on him. Our shooters where getting passes with the defense set already and a defender in their face so they had to put the ball back on the floor to try to create something. The few open shots we got we off of dribble drives and kicks or Staten pushing the pace and catching the defense not set up and a man being open or on transition.

We didn't hit a lot of easy shots especially our big guys missing shots and put backs in the paint. To be fair the Raptors interior defense was very good. Let's see if we can get the ball moving next game to get our shooters open looks and then create lanes in the defense for dribble drives to get our big men involved without having to post up as many time as we did. I also think Moreland and WCS rushed some looks out of nerves and the raptors defense. They should gather and be more deliberate next game.
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