Will Miami retire Lebron's jersey?

Rock Hardy · Post #41 » by **Rock Hardy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:10 am

No way. Pat's retirement notice will come with one special request, "Don't hang that traitor's jersey in the rafters." Nick and Micky will probably obliged because he cost them money too.

He'll be the best player to ever play here, but I imagine it'll take a change of ownership before it's even considered. Riley took last summer really personally.

Rock Hardy · Post #42 » by **Rock Hardy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:14 am

GreenHat wrote:
El Alonzo scowl wrote:We didn't retire Shaq's. Next jersey up in the rafters is Haslem's. Then Wade.

I hope we don't retire Haslem's jersey. He's been with a while but I think quality of play should trump longevity and intangibles when it comes to retiring a jersey.

What?

1. UD is considered Mr. 305 way more than even Pitbull, who gave himself that monicker.
2. More than longevity, UD has sacrificed repeatedly for this team and embodies the spirit and philosophy of this franchise.
3. Fans would spit a bit if he's snubbed. He's been co-captain even ahead of LeBron because greatness is more than talent. The sum of his parts makes him an easy candidate for jersey retirement.

Hell, Riley tried a number of a player who never played here just because of his significance to the league. Riley isn't gonna base it on numbers.

Sgt P · Post #43 » by **Sgt P** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:19 am

EscapoTHB wrote:Does Lebron even want his jersey retired in Miami? It doesn't seem like he wants to even acknowledged he played here.

I think both sides would need some reconciliation for it to happen. But hey, if Lebron can forgive Dan Gilbert, he can forgive Pat Riley.

lol.. what does Pat need to be forgiven for? Doing a great job? Pat is not a baby sitter.. How can you even compare what Dan Gilbert did to what Pat did... lol

nevermind.... Lebron will get his jersey retired but most heat fans will not associate him with the organization. And that was Lebron's choice. Personally I do not care.

Wade is the greatest basketball player Miami Heat has ever had. Its a Heat thing.

Sgt P · Post #44 » by **Sgt P** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:21 am

Benedict_Boozer wrote:Surprised by the lack of gratitude from some of the heat posters. Guy wins you 2 rings as finals MVP and gets two MVP awards in your squads jersey? Not a large list of guys you can even say that about period for any team.

Is what it is I guess.

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lol, we gave him gratitude when we played here and money too... thank you for your service... Heat does not kiss azz

MoMan24 · Post #45 » by **MoMan24** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:34 am

He is the best player to ever play for the franchise hands down. He has the only two regular season MVP's in team history. He has the most Finals MVP's in team history. He has the most All-NBA first team selections in team history. He has the most All-Defensive first team selections in team history. Lead the Heat during the greatest years the franchise has ever experienced. But no we can't put it up next to Hardaway and Jordan LMAO.

Cyrusman122000 · Post #46 » by **Cyrusman122000** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:35 am

DreDay wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
DreDay wrote:
Amnestying Mike Miller to save $$$. Sends the wrong message after he took a paycut.

Mike Miller had about two good games for the Heat. He was well overpaid. We didn't cut a guy who was a consistent producer. The false narrative on this story is so bad. If he would have been a contributing member of the team he wouldn't have been amnestied.

Mike Miller was great in his last two Finals series with the Heat and had a nice year with Memphis the year after. You cut him to save money after players took a paycut to win. It's a **** move and they paid for it.

It happens all the time in sports. Especially with aging role players . The lakers cut ties with Derek fisher in 2012 and fisher meant WAYYY more to the lakers than miller to miami. If anything Id argue miami spoiled lebron like crazy. Provided him very good role players that helped contribute to titles. Battier, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson

Rock Hardy · Post #47 » by **Rock Hardy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:43 am

MoMan24 wrote:He is the best player to ever play for the franchise hands down. He has the only two regular season MVP's in team history. He has the most Finals MVP's in team history. He has the most All-NBA first team selections in team history. He has the most All-Defensive first team selections in team history. Lead the Heat during the greatest years the franchise has ever experienced. But no we can't put it up next to Hardaway and Jordan LMAO.

The team owner and team president took it very personally last summer. Laugh, but the franchise preaches family. It will almost certainly take a change in ownership or a significant softening of those feelings before it's considered.

Look at Riley's words, "smiling faces with hidden agendas." The team mortgaged some of its future to get him here with the contract he wanted, only to have him leave in a backhanded way. Lebatard had mentioned repeatedly that Riley felt "betrayed." This isn't a small thing. We've never seen or heard Pat speak so openly and angrily about a former player before. Not even Shaq, and he left on bad terms.

LeBron is Fredo Corleone to Riley. He went against the family.

mab2039 · Post #48 » by **mab2039** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:05 am

Rock Hardy wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:He is the best player to ever play for the franchise hands down. He has the only two regular season MVP's in team history. He has the most Finals MVP's in team history. He has the most All-NBA first team selections in team history. He has the most All-Defensive first team selections in team history. Lead the Heat during the greatest years the franchise has ever experienced. But no we can't put it up next to Hardaway and Jordan LMAO.

The team owner and team president took it very personally last summer. Laugh, but the franchise preaches family. It will almost certainly take a change in ownership or a significant softening of those feelings before it's considered.

Look at Riley's words, "smiling faces with hidden agendas." The team mortgaged some of its future to get him here with the contract he wanted, only to have him leave in a backhanded way. Lebatard had mentioned repeatedly that Riley felt "betrayed." This isn't a small thing. We've never seen or heard Pat speak so openly and angrily about a former player before. Not even Shaq, and he left on bad terms.

LeBron is Fredo Corleone to Riley. He went against the family.

Yes LBJ should have told Riley, he is going to leave in the beginning of the free agency. But dont tell me your team mortgaged some of its future when you won two rings and went to 4 straight finals. Your teams has been piss poor in drafting during these period, aside from Cole but even he is MEH.

So, you guys were not creative enough to infuse youth in the line-up knowing that you got aging roster. Given you guys had to cut Miller for the tax implications and you guys gave away Joel Anthony along with the pick you acquired from sixers for previous years trade of the pick. So, you guys got rid of two players and a pick and didnt even bring anyone to replace them that last year. And dont tell me you brought Beasly that year. It would have been fine if you guys spent that MMLE but you didnt even do that after losing Miller.
They opted for flexibility the upcoming year but i dont see how you could have flexibility if all three players were to receive MAX contract unless the front office were assuming LBJ would take a discount again lol. When you dont have cap space and you dont draft well, it is hard.

mab2039 · Post #49 » by **mab2039** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:11 am

Cyrusman122000 wrote:
DreDay wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Mike Miller had about two good games for the Heat. He was well overpaid. We didn't cut a guy who was a consistent producer. The false narrative on this story is so bad. If he would have been a contributing member of the team he wouldn't have been amnestied.

Mike Miller was great in his last two Finals series with the Heat and had a nice year with Memphis the year after. You cut him to save money after players took a paycut to win. It's a **** move and they paid for it.

It happens all the time in sports. Especially with aging role players . The lakers cut ties with Derek fisher in 2012 and fisher meant WAYYY more to the lakers than miller to miami. If anything Id argue miami spoiled lebron like crazy. Provided him very good role players that helped contribute to titles. Battier, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson

Yeah he is so spoiled that he had to lead the team in assist, rebounds, points all while being the best defender too and not to mention had to run the offense on top of it. Having that kind of responsibility with playing that many games and minutes is a recipe of blowing year knees. It must have taken a toll on him, i dont know how anyone cant realize how hard it is. That roster lacked youth in a bad way, If i were him i would bolt too.

Nate505 · Post #50 » by **Nate505** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:24 am

That will be rich if they don't retire a guys jersey who was a major cog to two championships while having a guys jersey retired who never played for their team, and in fact knocked them out playoff contention.

Paz · Post #51 » by **Paz** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:29 am

Yes, he will get his jersey retired IMO. He earned it.

DowJones · Post #52 » by **DowJones** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:29 am

Flash3 wrote:
DreDay wrote:They'd be dumb not to. 4 years of elite play, 2 MVPs, 2 rings. He didn't leave on the most ideal terms, but that was partly due to the situation ownership created for him.

What situation? Not cater to his every demand for his "boys"? That's now how the Miami Heat operate and never have.

If that were really the only reason LeBron left, your organization needs to be ashamed. 1 man was primarily responsible for your last 4 years. When that is the case, you give him what he wants. You saw what happened this year when that 1 man left..

runlikehell · Post #53 » by **runlikehell** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:30 am

mab2039 wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
DreDay wrote:
Mike Miller was great in his last two Finals series with the Heat and had a nice year with Memphis the year after. You cut him to save money after players took a paycut to win. It's a **** move and they paid for it.

It happens all the time in sports. Especially with aging role players . The lakers cut ties with Derek fisher in 2012 and fisher meant WAYYY more to the lakers than miller to miami. If anything Id argue miami spoiled lebron like crazy. Provided him very good role players that helped contribute to titles. Battier, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson

Yeah he is so spoiled that he had to lead the team in assist, rebounds, points all while being the best defender too and not to mention had to run the offense on top of it. Having that kind of responsibility with playing that many games and minutes is a recipe of blowing year knees. It must have taken a toll on him, i dont know how anyone cant realize how hard it is. That roster lacked youth in a bad way, If i were him i would bolt too.

And he lead the Cavs in all those same stats in the playoffs. Maybe he's just that good?

You wanna talk about taken a toll on him?

Heat3 · Post #54 » by **Heat3** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:33 am

DreDay wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
DreDay wrote:
Amnestying Mike Miller to save $$$. Sends the wrong message after he took a paycut.

Mike Miller had about two good games for the Heat. He was well overpaid. We didn't cut a guy who was a consistent producer. The false narrative on this story is so bad. If he would have been a contributing member of the team he wouldn't have been amnestied.

Mike Miller was great in his last two Finals series with the Heat and had a nice year with Memphis the year after. You cut him to save money after players took a paycut to win. It's a **** move and they paid for it.

they didn't take a pay cut for him anymore than they took a pay cut to play with Joel Anthony. It was miller who took the pay cut. Riley met with him before he ever met with any of the big 3. only a fool would believe miller was In the top 100 reasons of why he left. It would still probably qualify you to report for ESPN though.

He had ONE good game vs okc in a blowout and he was serviceable vs the Spurs.

Year 1 he was broken
Year 2 he was broken
Year 3 he was riding the pine while Miami won 27 straight.

Why was this guy needed again? What value did he give to the Cavs this year that prove Miami was wrong in dumping him?

Reasons why Lebron would want to leave?

Misses home, family wants to return
Winning in Miami wasn't easy and losing here hurts his legacy more than losing as a cav. As evident this year where he chucked in the finals almost to an mvp while knowing his team had no chance to win.
No control in Miami. Cavs let him and his friends do as they please.
Heat role players getting older and Wade breaking down, sees Cavs as an easier route to the finals.

Or

End of the bench player got amnestied.

People act like they traded harden away to save a buck. It was a dude that couldn't get on the floor :lol:

Heat3 · Post #55 » by **Heat3** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:35 am

DowJones wrote:
Flash3 wrote:
DreDay wrote:They'd be dumb not to. 4 years of elite play, 2 MVPs, 2 rings. He didn't leave on the most ideal terms, but that was partly due to the situation ownership created for him.

What situation? Not cater to his every demand for his "boys"? That's now how the Miami Heat operate and never have.

If that were really the only reason LeBron left, your organization needs to be ashamed. 1 man was primarily responsible for your last 4 years. When that is the case, you give him what he wants. You saw what happened this year when that 1 man left..

Bosh got blood clots and wade had hamstring issues? Does the chosen one have healing hands? :lol:

DowJones · Post #56 » by **DowJones** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:38 am

Rock Hardy wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:He is the best player to ever play for the franchise hands down. He has the only two regular season MVP's in team history. He has the most Finals MVP's in team history. He has the most All-NBA first team selections in team history. He has the most All-Defensive first team selections in team history. Lead the Heat during the greatest years the franchise has ever experienced. But no we can't put it up next to Hardaway and Jordan LMAO.

The team owner and team president took it very personally last summer. Laugh, but the franchise preaches family. It will almost certainly take a change in ownership or a significant softening of those feelings before it's considered.

Look at Riley's words, "smiling faces with hidden agendas." The team mortgaged some of its future to get him here with the contract he wanted, only to have him leave in a backhanded way. Lebatard had mentioned repeatedly that Riley felt "betrayed." This isn't a small thing. We've never seen or heard Pat speak so openly and angrily about a former player before. Not even Shaq, and he left on bad terms.

LeBron is Fredo Corleone to Riley. He went against the family.

Did you not remember how you got LeBron in the first place?????? How is anything he did when leaving Miami a surprise? If Riley didn't think this was an option then he was incompetent. Riley should be the first guy to know what LeBron was capable of, he did Cleveland even worse.

Wolfy1983 · Post #57 » by **Wolfy1983** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:39 am

Why should they when Lebron refers to Miami as "That other team"? (Paraphrasing)

Clearly he has no respect for the franchise in which he has the most success with so far, so forget him.

DowJones · Post #58 » by **DowJones** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:42 am

Heat3 wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Flash3 wrote:What situation? Not cater to his every demand for his "boys"? That's now how the Miami Heat operate and never have.

If that were really the only reason LeBron left, your organization needs to be ashamed. 1 man was primarily responsible for your last 4 years. When that is the case, you give him what he wants. You saw what happened this year when that 1 man left..

Bosh got blood clots and wade had hamstring issues? Does the chosen one have healing hands?

And Miami couldn't beat out lowly Boston for a playoff spot. A Boston team that was trying to tank and traded their best players during the season. And Riley mortgaged the future for Dragic in the process. You are telling me Dragic-Wade-Deng-Whiteside isn't enough for the playoffs? Over a Boston team that started Jae Crowder, Brandon Bass, Avery Bradley, and Tyler Zeller? No injury excuses...you played in the East.

JeepCSC · Post #59 » by **JeepCSC** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:42 am

Jordan was one of the driving forces behind the NBA's popularity in the '80s, and the expansion that came from that popularity. In essence, Jordan (and Larry and Magic) created the Miami Heat. A jersey is the least they could do.

fishfuego. · Post #60 » by **fishfuego.** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:45 am

mab2039 wrote:
Rock Hardy wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:He is the best player to ever play for the franchise hands down. He has the only two regular season MVP's in team history. He has the most Finals MVP's in team history. He has the most All-NBA first team selections in team history. He has the most All-Defensive first team selections in team history. Lead the Heat during the greatest years the franchise has ever experienced. But no we can't put it up next to Hardaway and Jordan LMAO.

The team owner and team president took it very personally last summer. Laugh, but the franchise preaches family. It will almost certainly take a change in ownership or a significant softening of those feelings before it's considered.

Look at Riley's words, "smiling faces with hidden agendas." The team mortgaged some of its future to get him here with the contract he wanted, only to have him leave in a backhanded way. Lebatard had mentioned repeatedly that Riley felt "betrayed." This isn't a small thing. We've never seen or heard Pat speak so openly and angrily about a former player before. Not even Shaq, and he left on bad terms.

LeBron is Fredo Corleone to Riley. He went against the family.

Yes LBJ should have told Riley, he is going to leave in the beginning of the free agency. But dont tell me your team mortgaged some of its future when you won two rings and went to 4 straight finals. Your teams has been piss poor in drafting during these period, aside from Cole but even he is MEH.

So, you guys were not creative enough to infuse youth in the line-up knowing that you got aging roster. Given you guys had to cut Miller for the tax implications and you guys gave away Joel Anthony along with the pick you acquired from sixers for previous years trade of the pick. So, you guys got rid of two players and a pick and didnt even bring anyone to replace them that last year. And dont tell me you brought Beasly that year. It would have been fine if you guys spent that MMLE but you didnt even do that after losing Miller.
They opted for flexibility the upcoming year but i dont see how you could have flexibility if all three players were to receive MAX contract unless the front office were assuming LBJ would take a discount again lol. When you dont have cap space and you dont draft well, it is hard.

What the heck are you talking about.
Miami's intention was to build the best team possible to create a lasting dynasty, but the damn league full of butt hurt owners decided to reinvent rules after rules to make sure the Heat could not add more.

It was all new rulling to the league that needed adjusting, preparation and getting used to. Now teams are ready for such rules but Miami was cut in the middle of it as it was all directed at them.

Lebron is one dirty snake IMO and there's no media bull sh*t that can full me. We all know the media is based out of Chicago, NY, with many home grown fans in it that were butt hurt that Lebron did not go to their favorite team.

Lebron went on his power trip hoping the Heat would be sent into oblivion by waiting until there was no FA in the market available for the Heat. All that while trying to convince Heat players to leave the Heat.

Snake move by a snake player.
If his jersey is retired in the Heat's arena, it will be my last in it.