Who Do We Cut (with Vote)

[Enso]

yeah seriously between wanting to get rid of Baz and Ennis early ya'll have left me scratching my head. These guys need to get developed. See what you have before you just ship it off

Totally agree. If we'd stuck with developing Pat Beverly we wouldn't have been plagued with Rio for so long. Shabazz has to put a lot of offseason work in to become an NBA player. I really hope Goran and Wade help him to develop some ability to finish at the pro level. He gets to learn from the best. And his shot was coming back right before he got with the hernia. It would be a mistake to cut ties with Napier so soon.

I can't get behind another year with Mario on this team. If Rio spent all his energy on D and focused on just camping in the corner on offense and becoming a deadshot spot up shooter, he would be an enormously valuable player. He doesn't though. It's everything else he attempts to do which makes him a negative.

Eh...even in what was certainly a down year for him, last season Chalmers was still simply a better player than Shabazz. And very few people are suggesting cutting Napier to sign a vet. Speaking for myself, at least, I want Napier's spot to go to Richardson and/or Johnson--also young guys to develop, but guys I think have more potential than he does. I don't think Shabazz will be better than Mario next season, and I don't think Shabazz will be better than Richardson/Johnson in 3 seasons, so I don't think he should get a spot over any of them.

Now, Shabazz has a guaranteed deal, whereas Johnson's is not guaranteed, Johnson has a broken jaw, Richardson doesn't even have a contract yet, and Mario carries a big luxury tax hit, and so for financial reasons Shabazz has a big leg up there. But for purely basketball reasons, I think we have better options for the present and the future.

If Napier can keep his TO's in check, shoot the ball at a better clip especially from 3 and finish decently at the rim then he deserves this roster spot over Rio. We want the ball to move and not to stick with this new system so his playmaking ability would be invaluable. We need a fresh start basically not Rio's ball stopping shenanigans.

[QUIZ]

Rio> TJ, Napier, J.Rich, Zoran

He is the 3rd best guard on our roster period.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMsIasPCVHI[/youtube]

Come playoff time I am not going to feel good about TJ or Napier initiating our offense… not at all. You can't buy Chalmers experience. As much as everybody loves to hate him he's played in some HUGE games. Pivotal playoff games where he outplayed Tony Parker. He had a down year but he can bounce back. We played him at SG and that experiment failed keep him as our backup PG and we should be fine. At least until we feel comfortable with somebody else stepping up to take his place.

Trading Chalmers for nothing… just to save tax makes us a worse team.

[Flashpoint]

Eh...even in what was certainly a down year for him, last season Chalmers was still simply a better player than Shabazz. And very few people are suggesting cutting Napier to sign a vet. Speaking for myself, at least, I want Napier's spot to go to Richardson and/or Johnson--also young guys to develop, but guys I think have more potential than he does. I don't think Shabazz will be better than Mario next season, and I don't think Shabazz will be better than Richardson/Johnson in 3 seasons, so I don't think he should get a spot over any of them.

Now, Shabazz has a guaranteed deal, whereas Johnson's is not guaranteed, Johnson has a broken jaw, Richardson doesn't even have a contract yet, and Mario carries a big luxury tax hit, and so for financial reasons Shabazz has a big leg up there. But for purely basketball reasons, I think we have better options for the present and the future.

There are very few players we can say Chalmers played better than last year, and yeah Bazz was one of them. He has some very serious limitations he has to overcome on the pro level that he had no answer for as a rookie. I'm not sure it's possible for him to overcome them, but I'm curious to see how he attempts to next year.

TJ, on the other hand, flat out outplayed Chalmers on every level. It's not like Rio is a natural point himself, I'm not that uncomfortable with the idea of TJ as Dragic's backup. It's a shame the broken jaw is going to slow him down in becoming acclimated to the point, but I'd still take him ahead of Rio.

Rio's play last year was terrible. So was his attitude. We're in a bad relationship with Wario and it's gone on way too long. I don't see any positives in keeping him. Micky's taking a big tax hit for who is at best our 5th best G. Top 3 cuts should clearly be Walker, Rio, Bird. If we bring someone else in then we have to look at cutting youth and if it's between Ennis and Bazz, I'd actually say goodbye to Ennis.

[Chalm Down]

Mario Chalmers 17 votes Zoran Dragic 3… lol

Cutting Zoran just doesn't make sense logistically. Moving his contract doesn't cut down luxury tax the way Bird/Rio's contracts do, and he's guarenteed, so he can't just be cut like Walker or Ennis.

Rio's the better player, but he's harder to keep because of luxury tax (and it looks like they're trying their best to get under that tax line).

[miula]

If Rio can hit his 3s with 35%, he can stay. If he can't, he is useless in my eyes.

Tyler Johnson played better than Rio last season, IMO.

[QUIZ]

Totally agree. If we'd stuck with developing Pat Beverly we wouldn't have been plagued with Rio for so long. Shabazz has to put a lot of offseason work in to become an NBA player. I really hope Goran and Wade help him to develop some ability to finish at the pro level. He gets to learn from the best. And his shot was coming back right before he got with the hernia. It would be a mistake to cut ties with Napier so soon.

I can't get behind another year with Mario on this team. If Rio spent all his energy on D and focused on just camping in the corner on offense and becoming a deadshot spot up shooter, he would be an enormously valuable player. He doesn't though. It's everything else he attempts to do which makes him a negative.

Eh...even in what was certainly a down year for him, last season Chalmers was still simply a better player than Shabazz. And very few people are suggesting cutting Napier to sign a vet. Speaking for myself, at least, I want Napier's spot to go to Richardson and/or Johnson--also young guys to develop, but guys I think have more potential than he does. I don't think Shabazz will be better than Mario next season, and I don't think Shabazz will be better than Richardson/Johnson in 3 seasons, so I don't think he should get a spot over any of them.

Now, Shabazz has a guaranteed deal, whereas Johnson's is not guaranteed, Johnson has a broken jaw, Richardson doesn't even have a contract yet, and Mario carries a big luxury tax hit, and so for financial reasons Shabazz has a big leg up there. But for purely basketball reasons, I think we have better options for the present and the future.

If Napier can keep his TO's in check, shoot the ball at a better clip especially from 3 and finish decently at the rim then he deserves this roster spot over Rio. We want the ball to move and not to stick with this new system so his playmaking ability would be invaluable. We need a fresh start basically not Rio's ball stopping shenanigans.

So basically "we want change and even though Napier sucked last year he's more of an unknown so theres still hope"

Chalmers>Napier…

[Enso]

Eh...even in what was certainly a down year for him, last season Chalmers was still simply a better player than Shabazz. And very few people are suggesting cutting Napier to sign a vet. Speaking for myself, at least, I want Napier's spot to go to Richardson and/or Johnson--also young guys to develop, but guys I think have more potential than he does. I don't think Shabazz will be better than Mario next season, and I don't think Shabazz will be better than Richardson/Johnson in 3 seasons, so I don't think he should get a spot over any of them.

Now, Shabazz has a guaranteed deal, whereas Johnson's is not guaranteed, Johnson has a broken jaw, Richardson doesn't even have a contract yet, and Mario carries a big luxury tax hit, and so for financial reasons Shabazz has a big leg up there. But for purely basketball reasons, I think we have better options for the present and the future.

If Napier can keep his TO's in check, shoot the ball at a better clip especially from 3 and finish decently at the rim then he deserves this roster spot over Rio. We want the ball to move and not to stick with this new system so his playmaking ability would be invaluable. We need a fresh start basically not Rio's ball stopping shenanigans.

So basically "we want change and even though Napier sucked last year he's more of an unknown so theres still hope"

Chalmers>Napier…

He's a winner and as others said he had his limitations which he can adjust/improve on. That goes for both O & D. Also he didn't suck. He's the type of player that immediately impacts the game when he checks in and you saw that in flashes last year. Great court vision and is an exciting player to watch operate.

Fk it let's trade him in his Sophomore year. Developing players is for idiots.

Let's bring back Cole too while we're at it he and Chalmers were the best PG 1-2 punch in the L last year the stats back it up.

[QUIZ]

If Napier can keep his TO's in check, shoot the ball at a better clip especially from 3 and finish decently at the rim then he deserves this roster spot over Rio. We want the ball to move and not to stick with this new system so his playmaking ability would be invaluable. We need a fresh start basically not Rio's ball stopping shenanigans.

So basically "we want change and even though Napier sucked last year he's more of an unknown so theres still hope"

Chalmers>Napier…

He's a winner and as others said he had his limitations which he can adjust/improve on. That goes for both O & D. Also he didn't suck. He's the type of player that immediately impacts the game when he checks in and you saw that in flashes last year. Great court vision and is an exciting player to watch operate.

Fk it let's trade him in his Sophomore year. Developing players is for idiots.

Let's bring back Cole too while we're at it he and Chalmers were the best PG 1-2 punch in the L last year the stats back it up.

I don't want Napier traded bruh. I just think we shouldn't throw Chalmers away for nothing in an attempt to save some tax money.

[Enso]

So basically "we want change and even though Napier sucked last year he's more of an unknown so theres still hope"

Chalmers>Napier…

He's a winner and as others said he had his limitations which he can adjust/improve on. That goes for both O & D. Also he didn't suck. He's the type of player that immediately impacts the game when he checks in and you saw that in flashes last year. Great court vision and is an exciting player to watch operate.

Fk it let's trade him in his Sophomore year. Developing players is for idiots.

Let's bring back Cole too while we're at it he and Chalmers were the best PG 1-2 punch in the L last year the stats back it up.

I don't want Napier traded bruh. I just think we shouldn't throw Chalmers away for nothing in an attempt to save some tax money.

Chalmers has done alot for this franchise and has played in big games I can't deny that.

In the end we both want the best for this Franchise. It's up to the FO to gage whether or not Bazz can lead a second unit or not and then take a gamble on trading Chalmers. I think Bazz would be capable and then we'd have TJ as well. Winslow seems like he can do some ball handling as well. Mcbob is a good passer as too. But again that's their job and we'll see what decision they make very soon.

Whatever it is hopefully it works out for the best.

Reality is Zoran is only on this team to make Goran happy forget that it's a good salary. I would say get rid of Zoran, Walker and ship of richardson but that ain't happening. So i have to go with Walker Rio and Rich.

[DefenseWins]

Google "mario chalmers and chris andersen"

its funny how many articles there are lol

[HIF]

The three worst players there:

Walker, Zoran and Napier.

[Chalm Down]

Google "mario chalmers and chris andersen"

its funny how many articles there are lol

I wonder if they plan on trading them soon (if at all). I don't want to speculate for weeks lol

[UD4MVP]

I think we have to look at it as if player X in the main core is out for the next game, who's next up and how does the rotation look, in terms of who needs to get cut. If Goran needs to sit a game for whatever reason (rest or tweaked something) it could be beneficial to keep Rio for this scenario.. Might be smart to keep Ennis for the scenario of Deng being out, Winslow can't play the whole game at SF. Walker should DEF get cut. Bird is expendable atm since we have 4 good bigs, even if only one of them is a great rebounding presence we could someone to the frontcourt later in the year via buyout pickup. Chalmers exclusively at backup PG seems a lot more attractive on this squad since we now got Green at backup SG. The logjam is really with the guards atm..

[delanka]

Zoran, Walker, perhaps Birdmann or Ennis (love both)

[goodboy]

Lettuce keep it real, cutting Zoran would rub Goran the wrong way, hence we're hesitant to vote for that outcome. No **** HWR, but keeping Zoran for (now) seems more logical. JUST signing Goran and cutting his brother knowingly locking up Goran seems bit excessive. I know its business but I for one still want to see Zoran play more and see how he does imo.

Anyways, I just dont want green light Walker on this roster.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's a bigger issue then who's going to be the better player to start the season.

1) Our rookies might become better then Rio by the time the playoffs comes (TJ, Zoran, Napier, J-Rich all have a chance to really grow this year)

2) The Tax hit difference between keeping Rio and keeping TJ could be 15 Mil$. I'm not paying it, but I want Mickey to spend big when we need him too, not on marginal players.

3) LONG TERM - Napier is on a cheap contract for until 2018, we'll need every penny of cap space next year. Rio will be a 30YO free agent looking to get paid next year, so if you cut Napier for Rio - We'll be left with nothing as soon as next year.

[Oosh]

Yeah cut Billiam, stash J-Rich in Australia like we did Ennis.

Then either make a trade or the painful cut is going to be between Zoran and Ennis for me.

Probably Ennis as we don't want to **** anything up with Goran and Zoran is actually a decent player.

I can see Napier having a break out season, I don't see Ennis making an major leaps in his game.

[3ballbomber]

Cut em all.....i want more veterans.

[yungsin1]

Rio, Ennis, and Walker

[contract]

We have 18 AT THE MOMENT and have to cut it down to 15. Who for you gets trade, cut or sent over-seas? I'm not going to include any of our starting 5 or def keepers cause certain guys are not going anywhere.

Def Keepers:
wade - goran - bosh - whiteside - deng - justise - UD - Amare - GGreen

We're probably cutting/trading > 3 of the guys you listed, and I'm not 100% convinced that we won't move Deng too.