Will Miami retire Lebron's jersey?

Jedi32 · Post #141 » by **Jedi32** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:22 pm

Young_Buc wrote:He did more than Kareem did for Milwaukee or Wilt for la. Both those numbers are retired.

How when the heat had already won before he got there just like the Lakers had won before Wilt got there?

HeartBreakKid · Post #142 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:23 pm

I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

Cyrusman122000 · Post #143 » by **Cyrusman122000** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:33 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

XxIronChainzxX · Post #144 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:38 pm

Cyrusman122000 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

The issue with Carter though is that while he's rightly the most influential Raptor player of all time, he's not objectively speaking on the level most stars would have to be to get their number retired (MVP, rings). With Lebron it all just comes down to bad blood.

Neutral 123 · Post #145 » by **Neutral 123** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:46 pm

Maybe his old number.

HeartBreakKid · Post #146 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:47 pm

Cyrusman122000 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

Who's to say Toronto will not retire Vince Carter's jersey, he isn't retired yet so it's not like anyone knows.

What Lebron James did is much more grand than Vince Carter did. Vince Carter while influential was ultimately a trend. Lebron James is the best basketball player of his generation, currently the most famous basketball player (or Bryant though Bryant is less relevant), he made Miami the most important basketball story for 4 years.

You cannot tell the Miami Heat story without mentioning Lebron James. What ever fall out there was, it isn't big enough to wipe away what James did, because ultimately James made the Heat's legacy extremely grand, at the end of the day when the dust is settled, Miami's management will appreciate what James did for their franchise.

It's not nearly the same type of impact that Carter has had for the Raptors, and even then I am rather optimistic that Vince Carter will have his jersey retired in Toronto.

DWadeno3 · Post #147 » by **DWadeno3** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:53 pm

DowJones wrote:
Flash3 wrote:
DreDay wrote:They'd be dumb not to. 4 years of elite play, 2 MVPs, 2 rings. He didn't leave on the most ideal terms, but that was partly due to the situation ownership created for him.

What situation? Not cater to his every demand for his "boys"? That's now how the Miami Heat operate and never have.

If that were really the only reason LeBron left, your organization needs to be ashamed. 1 man was primarily responsible for your last 4 years. When that is the case, you give him what he wants. You saw what happened this year when that 1 man left..

If it weren't for massive injury problems, you wouldn't even have this case right now. You're making a half-a**ed attempt here. Our mediocre record was more than just LeBron leaving.

TommyTBolt · Post #148 » by **TommyTBolt** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:55 pm

the answer to this is so obviously yes
pat riley, no pat riley doesnt change squat
on merits its yes and its not even close

Cyrusman122000 · Post #149 » by **Cyrusman122000** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:57 pm

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

The issue with Carter though is that while he's rightly the most influential Raptor player of all time, he's not objectively speaking on the level most stars would have to be to get their number retired (MVP, rings). With Lebron it all just comes down to bad blood.

You don't have to be star to have your number retired though . Bruce Bowen has his number 12 retired by the Spurs and he was the 4th best player on those title winning teams and never made 1 all star game. The Kings retired vlade divac, and peja's number too.

HeartBreakKid · Post #150 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:59 pm

Cyrusman122000 wrote:
XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

The issue with Carter though is that while he's rightly the most influential Raptor player of all time, he's not objectively speaking on the level most stars would have to be to get their number retired (MVP, rings). With Lebron it all just comes down to bad blood.

You don't have to be star to have your number retired though . Bruce Bowen has his number 12 retired by the Spurs and he was the 4th best player on those title winning teams and never made 1 all star game. The Kings retired vlade divac, and peja's number too.

I know, that's even more reason why James will be retired. Typically speaking any player who was really important in a franchise's history will get their numbers retired. James is a lock, even Bosh is.

I'll be shocked if Vince Carter does not get his number retired. It's not like they have anyone else who was fiercely loyal to Toronto and did a lot for them either.

Cyrusman122000 · Post #151 » by **Cyrusman122000** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:07 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

Who's to say Toronto will not retire Vince Carter's jersey, he isn't retired yet so it's not like anyone knows.

What Lebron James did is much more grand than Vince Carter did. Vince Carter while influential was ultimately a trend. Lebron James is the best basketball player of his generation, currently the most famous basketball player (or Bryant though Bryant is less relevant), he made Miami the most important basketball story for 4 years.

You cannot tell the Miami Heat story without mentioning Lebron James. What ever fall out there was, it isn't big enough to wipe away what James did, because ultimately James made the Heat's legacy extremely grand, at the end of the day when the dust is settled, Miami's management will appreciate what James did for their franchise.

It's not nearly the same type of impact that Carter has had for the Raptors, and even then I am rather optimistic that Vince Carter will have his jersey retired in Toronto.

Ya I hear what your saying,'and I agree with you, obviously lebron's impact on 4 years was much more for miami that what Carter did in Toronto I was just making that comparison cause VC is the most influential player in raptor history as well and had a big impact on that franchise as well compared to the **** they've been through post VC era.
I'd hope they do retire his number. I only said they won't cause a bunch of rapor fans on this site feel that way and cause Amir Johnson wore number 15 I think

fishfuego. · Post #152 » by **fishfuego.** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:13 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:I'm surprised that this has went 8 pages. People really think the guy who anchored them two titles, made Miami the center of the basketball world and took them to 4 straight finals appearances isn't going to get his jersey retired?

If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

Who's to say Toronto will not retire Vince Carter's jersey, he isn't retired yet so it's not like anyone knows.

What Lebron James did is much more grand than Vince Carter did. Vince Carter while influential was ultimately a trend. Lebron James is the best basketball player of his generation, currently the most famous basketball player (or Bryant though Bryant is less relevant), he made Miami the most important basketball story for 4 years.

You cannot tell the Miami Heat story without mentioning Lebron James. What ever fall out there was, it isn't big enough to wipe away what James did, because ultimately James made the Heat's legacy extremely grand, at the end of the day when the dust is settled, Miami's management will appreciate what James did for their franchise.

It's not nearly the same type of impact that Carter has had for the Raptors, and even then I am rather optimistic that Vince Carter will have his jersey retired in Toronto.

Situations are different from case to case.

Miami will present itself grateful when the history comes calling just as Lebron will talk about his number of rings when telling the tale. Does not mean that his jersey has to be retired, just like Lebron doesn't have to spell Heat to count his rings.

Miami has the luxury to retire Wade's jersey with 3 banners as the most Heat accomplished task.. They don't have to included Lebron there if they don't want to. On the other hand Lebron if doesn't win another championship has to acknowledge his rings location.

HeartBreakKid · Post #153 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:17 pm

fishfuego. wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:
If it's a bad relationship there's always a chance they don't. Vince Carter is the greatest player in raptor history. Led them to their only second round appearance, put that franchise on the map, is a huge reason why kids play basketball in Canada. Now. Heck they didn't have a tnt game for 12 years after he left!! And there's a lot of talk that toronto won't reture his number

Who's to say Toronto will not retire Vince Carter's jersey, he isn't retired yet so it's not like anyone knows.

What Lebron James did is much more grand than Vince Carter did. Vince Carter while influential was ultimately a trend. Lebron James is the best basketball player of his generation, currently the most famous basketball player (or Bryant though Bryant is less relevant), he made Miami the most important basketball story for 4 years.

You cannot tell the Miami Heat story without mentioning Lebron James. What ever fall out there was, it isn't big enough to wipe away what James did, because ultimately James made the Heat's legacy extremely grand, at the end of the day when the dust is settled, Miami's management will appreciate what James did for their franchise.

It's not nearly the same type of impact that Carter has had for the Raptors, and even then I am rather optimistic that Vince Carter will have his jersey retired in Toronto.

Situations are different from case to case.

Miami will present itself grateful when the history comes calling just as Lebron will talk about his number of rings when telling the tale. Does not mean that his jersey has to be retired, just like Lebron doesn't have to spell Heat to count his rings.

Miami has the luxury to retire Wade's jersey with 3 banners as the most Heat accomplished task.. They don't have to included Lebron there if they don't want to. On the other hand Lebron if doesn't win another championship has to acknowledge his rings location.

yeah...but like...why would any of these parties do this.

tyguy · Post #154 » by **tyguy** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:19 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Paz wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Thats because most NBA fans are desperate for not even a championship, but simply relevance. In Miami however, we PISS excellence. The Heat have a culture that isn't going to break for ANYONE...and Heat fans are proud that Riley & Co. didn't bend over for the Queen.

Bro... no we don't. We haven't done anything since Lebron left except win 37 games. Please put the bravado aside until we have something to celebrate. We have a whole lot of nothing but expectations right now.

Yes...we do. Three NBA Titles. 5 Conference Titles. That is MORE than enough for me to just never stop celebrating. In Pat RIley's 20 seasons with the Heat...we have made the playoffs 16 times. We have a winning culture in Miami and it started long before LeBron was in town. Now that he's gone, nothing has changed in terms of the organization's goals and expectations.

these last couple of posts by you are extremely obnoxious. An actual member of that franchise would be embarrassed by this. Nobody enjoys a boastful arrogant schmuck.

Like what has already been put out there; you are just a fan. Being a fan of a franchise that has had success doesn't give you a free pass to act like this.

fishfuego. · Post #155 » by **fishfuego.** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:57 pm

tyguy wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Paz wrote:
Bro... no we don't. We haven't done anything since Lebron left except win 37 games. Please put the bravado aside until we have something to celebrate. We have a whole lot of nothing but expectations right now.

Yes...we do. Three NBA Titles. 5 Conference Titles. That is MORE than enough for me to just never stop celebrating. In Pat RIley's 20 seasons with the Heat...we have made the playoffs 16 times. We have a winning culture in Miami and it started long before LeBron was in town. Now that he's gone, nothing has changed in terms of the organization's goals and expectations.
these last couple of posts by you are extremely obnoxious. An actual member of that franchise would be embarrassed by this. Nobody enjoys a boastful arrogant schmuck.

Like what has already been put out there; you are just a fan. Being a fan of a franchise that has had success doesn't give you a free pass to act like this.

I don't know about you, but to me sports is the one event in time when you are actually given a green light to glow. Not in an insulting way but to proudly acknowledge your favorite franchise successes. It's like a fictional movie when a hitman can be the main character. At the end of the day, is just sports, and there's many things he or she said that are true.

What was so insulting about what was said?

Sign5 · Post #156 » by **Sign5** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:00 pm

LOL at opposing fans who thinks Heat fans should be getting on their knees for LeBron, FOH. Most of us are grateful but no more than that. The honor and extreme gratitude belongs to Wade county.

Flashpoint · Post #157 » by **Flashpoint** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:42 pm

tyguy wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Paz wrote:
Bro... no we don't. We haven't done anything since Lebron left except win 37 games. Please put the bravado aside until we have something to celebrate. We have a whole lot of nothing but expectations right now.

Yes...we do. Three NBA Titles. 5 Conference Titles. That is MORE than enough for me to just never stop celebrating. In Pat RIley's 20 seasons with the Heat...we have made the playoffs 16 times. We have a winning culture in Miami and it started long before LeBron was in town. Now that he's gone, nothing has changed in terms of the organization's goals and expectations.
these last couple of posts by you are extremely obnoxious. An actual member of that franchise would be embarrassed by this. Nobody enjoys a boastful arrogant schmuck.

Like what has already been put out there; you are just a fan. Being a fan of a franchise that has had success doesn't give you a free pass to act like this.

What exactly do you find so objectionable with what he said? It's the way a fan of any successful franchise feels. You're supposed to take pride in your team's accomplishments. It's amazing how other fans can be so overcome with insecurities. Riley has instilled a culture and ideology around the Heat that's more important than any one player. Maybe its bull, but it's compelling bull and the fan base believes in it because it has led to unprecedented success for a very young franchise.

vanhowell · Post #158 » by **vanhowell** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:52 pm

Lebron leaves CLE = Villain
Lebron leaves Heat = Hero?

Lebron leaves CLE = CLE fans and other fan base dislike him = it's cool..

Lebron leaves Heat = Heat fans dislike him = ungrateful!! Lmao

P.S we don't really dislike him that much, it's just that we don't need to praise him like God because those 2 rings was the result of a Team effort and the Heat franchise as a whole and not just by LBJ alone!! We cheered for him! We supported him while he was wearing Heat jersey! But those things are in the past.. We move on from Lebron saga. He was just a mercenary, and he was the highest paid player during his tenure here so his production numbers are expected. We are grateful for his 4 years in Miami. Thank you LBJ!! Good luck with CLE

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SCHeat · Post #159 » by **SCHeat** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:58 pm

7-12-52 wrote:Pure comedy. So when Lebron left Cleveland for Miami after winning no rings the common response was "what does he owe you after 7 years?" or the more popular "you mad?"

Now Lebron leaves them after winning 2 rings and 4 straight finals appearances and now obviously "they mad."

No ones really being mad or defiant. Ok, maybe a few are. I think most fans realize it'll happen down the road after he retires but there's no rush to do it.

Most fans fall somewhere between indifferent and slightly annoyed at him. It's not a big deal though, every other fan base would've reacted the same or worse

SoFlaKingReal · Post #160 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:01 pm

fishfuego. wrote:
tyguy wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Yes...we do. Three NBA Titles. 5 Conference Titles. That is MORE than enough for me to just never stop celebrating. In Pat RIley's 20 seasons with the Heat...we have made the playoffs 16 times. We have a winning culture in Miami and it started long before LeBron was in town. Now that he's gone, nothing has changed in terms of the organization's goals and expectations.
these last couple of posts by you are extremely obnoxious. An actual member of that franchise would be embarrassed by this. Nobody enjoys a boastful arrogant schmuck.

Like what has already been put out there; you are just a fan. Being a fan of a franchise that has had success doesn't give you a free pass to act like this.

I don't know about you, but to me sports is the one event in time when you are actually given a green light to glow. Not in an insulting way but to proudly acknowledge your favorite franchise successes. It's like a fictional movie when a hitman can be the main character. At the end of the day, is just sports, and there's many things he or she said that are true.

What was so insulting about what was said?

Obnoxious? What are you talking about? LOL I guess its a Heat thing...you wouldn't understand. #HEATNation