Bargnani uses Kings for leverage. Scores minimum deal with Nets.

teerfour+40LG · Post #1 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:41 am

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Honestly wouldn't be a surprise to me. I've been reminding everyone that Vlade said he tried to trade for another pick to draft Frank Kaminsky. Bargs is a similar player. Can play with Rudy Gay or WCS, and obviously there's the primo pasta connection with Marco Belinelli.

SactoKingsFan · Post #2 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:55 am

Signing Bargs doesn't make much sense. He might provide some 3 PT shooting but he's a very poor defender and not much of a rebounder.

Post #3 » by **City of Trees** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:00 am

SKF_85 wrote:Signing Bargs doesn't make much sense. He might provide some 3 PT shooting but he's a very poor defender and not much of a rebounder.

But when he's your 10th man that's not a bad thing.

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teerfour+40LG · Post #4 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:05 am

^This. Bargs is a situational/regular season depth player.

SactoKingsFan · Post #5 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:07 am

gustofwind · Post #6 » by **gustofwind** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:12 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:^This. Bargs is a situational/regular season depth player.

Exactly! Great signing.

Vlade has compiled a team of interesting role players; each has his own skill sets to contribute.

Kings already had a good offensive core in Cousins, Gay. They just needed the right group of role players who could shoot, play defense, make good passes, and a little athleticism.

None of these recent signees can do everything, but together they provide options.

This team is starting to look very intriguing. If everything falls together, we could be seeing the beginning of the next Sacramento championship contending team since the Webber-Divac-Stojakovic era.

Exciting!

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:18 am

Well, there goes any hope for Willie most likely. Dang. Tough to yet again draft a top 7 pick and just endlessly pile on top of him.

Bargnani fits so it's a good move on the surface. I'm also not so down on it because despite what many think he's not that bad of defender. He's actually quite solid with his foot work in post defense and on ball pressure. He does tend to flop a bit though.

SacKingZZZ · Post #8 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:24 am

SKF_85 wrote:Signing Bargs doesn't make much sense. He might provide some 3 PT shooting but he's a very poor defender and not much of a rebounder.

He's not a poor defender when he's dialed in. When dialed in he's a solid/good defender. This video illustrates some things he does quite well and he's a lot more physical than people give him credit for.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrNiVznvACE[/youtube]

This and the last move make complete sense. They are finally bringing in some floor spreading ability. With a guard who mostly operates within 8 feet and a dominant driving/post big it's imperative you spread the floor from the 3 other positions.

tyguy · Post #9 » by **tyguy** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:27 am

He's consistently been a minus player his entire career. He just doesn't bring enough offense for how bad he is defensively and on the glass; he's just a piss poor rebounder. He really needs to take more threes. He his a pretty good three point shooter, but such a low percentage of his shots are threes. He really needs to say f it and just chuck bombs because he is so bad everywhere else and that's his greatest strength. I think by doing that he would see an uptick in his efficiency and provide some value on the floor by keeping it open.

TacoBell · Post #10 » by **TacoBell** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:28 am

Kings needed more shooting and that's what he brings. This looks like the most balanced Kings team in years.

Jstock12 · Post #11 » by **Jstock12** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:29 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
SKF_85 wrote:Signing Bargs doesn't make much sense. He might provide some 3 PT shooting but he's a very poor defender and not much of a rebounder.

He's not a poor defender when he's dialed in. When dialed in he's a solid/good defender.

And just how often is he 'dialed in'?..

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SacKingZZZ · Post #12 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:30 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:^This. Bargs is a situational/regular season depth player.

It will be interesting to see what Karl goes with if this goes through but I wouldn't be at all surprised to him in that role or if Bargnani was brought into be the starter net to Cuz.

Jstock12 · Post #13 » by **Jstock12** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:30 am

*doublepost

tyguy · Post #14 » by **tyguy** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:30 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Well, there goes any hope for Willie most likely. Dang. Tough to yet again draft a top 7 pick and just endlessly pile on top of him.

Bargnani fits so it's a good move on the surface. I'm also not so down on it because despite what many think he's not that bad of defender. He's actually quite solid with his foot work in post defense and on ball pressure. He does tend to flop a bit though.

Yeah, if you were going to take a big man and sign 50 other big men, but talk about playing smaller... Probably should have drafted Stanley Johnson or Justise Winslow if that was the route taken.

blind prophet · Post #15 » by **blind prophet** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:32 am

Man so many options out there. Karl could keep us running for a long time with a variety of choices.

I wouldn't worry about WCS. He has unique skill sets, he can come in under zero pressure possibly, with all sorts of vets in the mix and develop.

This is almost insane though considering our depth after the Maloofs went on the cheap and had one foot out the door.

blind prophet · Post #16 » by **blind prophet** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:34 am

tyguy wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Well, there goes any hope for Willie most likely. Dang. Tough to yet again draft a top 7 pick and just endlessly pile on top of him.

Bargnani fits so it's a good move on the surface. I'm also not so down on it because despite what many think he's not that bad of defender. He's actually quite solid with his foot work in post defense and on ball pressure. He does tend to flop a bit though.
Yeah, if you were going to take a big man and sign 50 other big men, but talk about playing smaller... Probably should have drafted Stanley Johnson or Justise Winslow if that was the route taken.

I'm not sure how drafting by far the most athletic big in the past 25-30 years, and also highest defensive potential big since Mutumbo is a mistake.

For what else precisely?

SacKingZZZ · Post #17 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:39 am

Jstock12 wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:
SKF_85 wrote:Signing Bargs doesn't make much sense. He might provide some 3 PT shooting but he's a very poor defender and not much of a rebounder.

He's not a poor defender when he's dialed in. When dialed in he's a solid/good defender.

And just how often is he 'dialed in'?..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/619246851263311872[/tweet]

DBPM? I wipe my @$$ with that stat, you know why? Brad Miller had a 1+ rating and he was probably the worst big man defender I've ever seen when viewed in isolation. Some of these new advanced stats can get pretty exposed when you know who, or what is on them. :lol:

blind prophet · Post #18 » by **blind prophet** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:43 am

Bargs could play with WCS too. If he lands Bargs we have by far the most versatile options in the league with our Bigs. Amazing to think about when we had Jarl Thompandry before.

We can beat you down with Cousins and Koufos. We can harass you with WCS, we can extend the floor with Bargs. Looking good here.

PaKwAn · Post #19 » by **PaKwAn** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:43 am

Rondo would love this signing..

Jstock12 · Post #20 » by **Jstock12** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:45 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:

He's not a poor defender when he's dialed in. When dialed in he's a solid/good defender.

And just how often is he 'dialed in'?..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/619246851263311872[/tweet]

DBPM? I wipe my @$$ with that stat, you know why? Brad Miller had a 1+ rating and he was probably the worst big man defender I've ever seen when viewed in isolation. Some of these new advanced stats can get pretty exposed when you know who, or what is on them.

Okay, but take a look at some of the names on that list. Were any of those guys known for their defensive prowess? I believe it's pretty generally accepted that Enes Kanter is an abysmal defender, and that stat just confirms it.