The Official Andrea Bargnani Thread

[SIC]

You guys don't realize it yet, but you will see, that somehow this guy just infuses a losing mentality to a team and wills them to losses by merely existing.

His defense is unimaginably awful as well.

Hopefully King waives him by December to save your season.

You guys will realize that Barg is most likely our 12, 13 or 14th man on our team while Barg was your starting PF/C last year.

We are not expecting him to play significant minutes let a lone be a Great Fit.

If it doesnt work out, we wont be losing much.

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

Please Stop Bro.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Hollins benched every one last year especially DWill and Lopez last year for poor play. Barg doesnt like it he will get a wake up call.

[Concrete Jungle]

You guys will realize that Barg is most likely our 12, 13 or 14th man on our team while Barg was your starting PF/C last year.

We are not expecting him to play significant minutes let a lone be a Great Fit.

If it doesnt work out, we wont be losing much.

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

Please Stop Bro.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Hollins benched every one last year especially DWill and Lopez last year for poor play. Barg doesnt like it he will get a wake up call.

Well he's going to have a huge meltdown then and be a wasted roster spot. And also I have no idea what I'm talking about yet I watched him the last 2 years dont be mad yall signed this bum but I'm not even laughing at the fan base its just I dont see how Billy King still has a job.

[Paradise]

You guys don't realize it yet, but you will see, that somehow this guy just infuses a losing mentality to a team and wills them to losses by merely existing.

His defense is unimaginably awful as well.

Hopefully King waives him by December to save your season.

You guys will realize that Barg is most likely our 12, 13 or 14th man on our team while Barg was your starting PF/C last year.

We are not expecting him to play significant minutes let a lone be a Great Fit.

If it doesnt work out, we wont be losing much.

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

I'm pretty sure he is aware that he will not be getting minutes ahead of Thomas Robinson. He's simply replacing Teletovic who had worse efficiency than Bargnani.

[3pt_chucker]

Good move I guess. Has way more upside than down. Could provide (offensive) spark off the bench when needed, and spread the floor.

We all know Hollins wants defense and effort, so he'll ride the bench if not.(No pressure to play him being on the minimum). Seeing that he turned down more money from the Kings, make me feel he'll do that.

As long as he doesn't play ole defense(see below), I feel like he'll find a good role here.

[LifeLongKNICK]

I forgot how he crashed the boards and played awesome defense.

Phil signed all types of bigs while letting him go because he was so "awesome".

i dont even remember you in any game threads. youre just being a goof.

My not being in game threads has nothing to do with Bargs sucking. I watched Knicks games, whether you believe it or not, I could care less.

Look back at his 29 games with us last season and how many games he logged 25-35 minutes at center while ripping down under 5 boards.

His man defense was decent but his team and PnR defense was awful. WTH are you smoking, Jack?

youre the type of fan i hate. you dont even watch the games but you came into the nets thread to make them hate their signing?

bargs isnt a rebounder you moron. i think everybody on the planet knows that by now.

he's a stretch 4 who can play the 5 when needed.

hes 90% from the free throw line.
can dunk on dudes with pumpfakes.
get the occasional block.
hits 3's hit mid range jumpers, underated post up game.
above average passing.
takes match ups against elite bigs personal.

for the minimum. nets got a straight up steal.

[Iron Mantis]

i dont even remember you in any game threads. youre just being a goof.

My not being in game threads has nothing to do with Bargs sucking. I watched Knicks games, whether you believe it or not, I could care less.

Look back at his 29 games with us last season and how many games he logged 25-35 minutes at center while ripping down under 5 boards.

His man defense was decent but his team and PnR defense was awful. WTH are you smoking, Jack?

youre the type of fan i hate. you dont even watch the games but you came into the nets thread to make them hate their signing?

bargs isnt a rebounder you moron. i think everybody on the planet knows that by now.

he's a stretch 4 who can play the 5 when needed.

hes 90% from the free throw line.
can dunk on dudes with pumpfakes.
get the occasional block.
hits 3's hit mid range jumpers, underated post up game.
above average passing.
takes match ups against elite bigs personal.


for the minimum. nets got a straight up steal.

I watched nearly every game and like I said whether you believe it or not I could care less and your opinion of me is useless drivel spewed from a nobody.

I'm a moron because because Bargs doesn't rebound? Okay. Your Center/PF refuses to rebound and that makes him a "steal"? What reality are you living in.

Bargs plays decent post defense on his man and that's IT. His help defense is nonexistent and his PnR defense is dreadful. lay off the crack pipe, jack.

Bargs conrtibutes to losses and nothing more. He will likely be out of the league if he blows his shot with the Nets.

[Universe]

My not being in game threads has nothing to do with Bargs sucking. I watched Knicks games, whether you believe it or not, I could care less.

Look back at his 29 games with us last season and how many games he logged 25-35 minutes at center while ripping down under 5 boards.

His man defense was decent but his team and PnR defense was awful. WTH are you smoking, Jack?

youre the type of fan i hate. you dont even watch the games but you came into the nets thread to make them hate their signing?

bargs isnt a rebounder you moron. i think everybody on the planet knows that by now.

he's a stretch 4 who can play the 5 when needed.

hes 90% from the free throw line.
can dunk on dudes with pumpfakes.
get the occasional block.
hits 3's hit mid range jumpers, underated post up game.
above average passing.
takes match ups against elite bigs personal.


for the minimum. nets got a straight up steal.

I watched nearly every game and like I said whether you believe it or not I could care less and your opinion of me is useless drivel spewed from a nobody.

I'm a moron because because Bargs doesn't rebound? Okay. Your Center/PF refuses to rebound and that makes him a "steal"? What reality are you living in.

Bargs plays decent post defense on his man and that's IT. His help defense is nonexistent and his PnR defense is dreadful. lay off the crack pipe, jack.

Bargs conrtibutes to losses and nothing more. He will likely be out of the league if he blows his shot with the Nets.

He contributes on offense and that's all we need him to do.

[Claud]

Not sure how I feel about this but I think for his talent and for what we need this is a solid deal. Vet's min is super low risk. It's not like we gave up picks for him and it's not like he will get huge minutes either. If he sucks, Hollins won't give a **** and just shut him down. We can play small ball and have other options. I don't love this move but I don't hate it. It could work for us.

That means: PG: Jack/Larkin/Blake or Boatright
SG: Bojan/Ellington/Brown
SF: Joe/RHJ/Karasev
PF: Thad/Robinson/McCullough
C: Brook/Bargs/Reed

The only question now is are we keeping Blake or giving a shot to Boatright?

Unless we find a way to move Karasev, I don't see how we could keep Jefferson or Alexander. I would love to cut Karasev and give a shot to Alexander. CJ has improved but not enough. Alexander and CJ are around the same level only difference Alexander is 5 years younger.

What I'd like to see: PG: Jack/Larkin/Boatright (I still want to look for a starting PG via trades.)
SG: Bojan/Ellington/Brown
SF Joe/RHJ
PF Thad/T-Rob/Alexander/McCullough
C: Brook/Reed/Bargs

[Paradise]

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[SpeedyG]

Don't particularly care for this move, but its the vet min so who cares? The plus is that he is fairly similar to Lopez in that we can use him in similar ways (pick and oppop, both bad defenders in pnr situations). Which means, assuming he does backup Lopez for the 3rd C (behind TRob), there's little adjustments our lineup will have to make as far as offense or defense is concerned.

I mean, two years ago we signed Twin as the last guy on our bench. This doesn't really move the needle either way.

[Netaman]

On the court I'd rather have MT3 because he hustled, but given the contracts this is fine. The guy can score and he's getting paid the minimum. We know Hollins will be way up his ass and bury him if he's not a least putting a minimum amount of effort in defensively.

Also this tells me they are expecting to make some kind of a trade the rest of the offseason. Just too many bodies and not enough of starting caliber. Blake + Karasev + one of the young bigs or maybe Markel Brown for a veteran guard with only 1 year left on their contract would make some sense.

[malik959]

I'd love Bargnani for the minimum. What's there to complain?

Take Derrick Williams as an example. Guy gets 10 million and he is not an advanced stats gem. I'd easily take Bargani over him.

Bargnani can score off the bench in multiple ways. Now, the Nets need someone who can do the dirty work on the boards and defend a bit while Bargs is in and unless I'm missing something you don't have defensive minded bigs.

Not trolling, just giving you my insight on Barg.
I'll say this, Barg for 10 mill and you guys would march up to the stadium with pitch forks, Barg for Vet Min is nothing to complain about for literally he is the best out for that price unless you consider JR smith any good. For those of you that are saying that he can shoot the three for you, scratch that from your head. The thing about Barg is that for everything that he does good he'll kill it by doing something bad to make you throw your beer onto the court. His mid -range game is his best on offense and his worst on defense. This is why playing against players like Dwight Howard isn't a bad thing, but let him guard Power Forwards or Centers that have an outside game and you'll be ready to throw in the towel. you'll find yourselves hating him one day and praising him the next but like I said for the Min he's not bad. As far as Derrick Williams I'll take him over Barg any day although the Knicks over paid, but at-lease he stays healthy and he puts forth an effort.

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[Paradise]

You can either stay fixated on the good or the bad....or be realistic with the current market of stretch fours. We all would prefer someone much better but the last remaining stretch four is....Josh Smith. From February-April, Bargnani averaged 16.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists. Shot 36% from 3 and had a 53.3 TS%.

It's for the vet minimum and there is no guarantee he gets minutes if Corey Jefferson or Cliff Alexander outplays him. If he does earn his minutes, we get a decent stretch four capable of explosive scoring off the bench with similar efficiency to Mirza.

[Kingsfan88]

You can either stay fixated on the good or the bad....or be realistic with the current market of stretch fours. We all would prefer someone much better but the last remaining stretch four is....Josh Smith. From February-April, Bargnani averaged 16.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists. Shot 36% from 3 and had a 53.3 TS%.

It's for the vet minimum and there is no guarantee he gets minutes if Corey Jefferson or Cliff Alexander outplays him. If he does earn his minutes, we get a decent stretch four capable of explosive scoring off the bench with similar efficiency to Mirza.

I honestly can't imagine he turned down more money from the Kings to be a 11th or 12th man getting 10 minutes a game. There must have been some kind of incentive to sign with the nets. I can only imagine it was significant minutes, or else it doesn't make any sense.

Possibly the fact that he stays in New York is another factor but still..

[Hello Brooklyn]

Bargnani sucks, but I don't see the draw back. He can provide decent bench minutes, I'm sure he'll have a couple of games where he provides good offense. And its for the minimum. I don't think we could have done anything better for the min, who else would be available at this point?

As for those saying its again our winning culture, oh please. Nobody cares about this buffoon. Hes not going to impact our culture at all.

[malik959]

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[Paradise]

I honestly can't imagine he turned down more money from the Kings to be a 11th or 12th man getting 10 minutes a game. There must have been some kind of incentive to sign with the nets. I can only imagine it was significant minutes, or else it doesn't make any sense.

Possibly the fact that he stays in New York is another factor but still..

Well, he's going to be in for a surprise if he's expecting a big role. I think his incentive was staying in NY in a less pressurized bench role.

[Hello Brooklyn]

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

Please Stop Bro.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Hollins benched every one last year especially DWill and Lopez last year for poor play. Barg doesnt like it he will get a wake up call.

Well he's going to have a huge meltdown then and be a wasted roster spot. And also I have no idea what I'm talking about yet I watched him the last 2 years dont be mad yall signed this bum but I'm not even laughing at the fan base its just I dont see how Billy King still has a job.

As a Knicks fan, youre laughing. I don't come to your board and talk junk about how the Knicks are the laughing stock of the NBA. I could go on for hours, but as a Nets fan I don't have much room to talk.

Bargnani means nothing to the team. If he has a negative impact then he won't play. And if he has a meltdown, then we'll just waive him. Its that simple.

Now go crawl back into the hole you came out of.

[VinBaker6]

I don't think you guys understand how bad Bargs is. We rationalized his value in every way possible for 7 years. The guy just doesn't care, that's his problem. He's not even a good shooter anymore. Just shoots midrange jumpers and the occasional awkward drive. I can see you guys going through the same process Knicks fans did already. Jim signing with BKN over SAC probably means he was promised a decent role.

Good luck guys but you'll want him off the than by January. He's a net negative, even in limited minutes.

Can't believe we got a lotto pick for him next draft. Thanks Knicks