Poll: Who do you want with #3? (VOTE AGAIN)

76ciology · Post #1881 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Joel - Noel - Russel <-- coincidence?

76ciology · Post #1882 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:15 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BztVrOphyc4[/youtube]

...I'm pretty sure you'd watch this if we end up with Oka4.

Negrodamus · Post #1883 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:19 pm

76ciology wrote:Joel - Noel - Russel <-- coincidence?

*Russell.

MountainDrew · Post #1884 » by **MountainDrew** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:22 pm

Yeah anyone but Mudiay or a trade with Boston and I'm alright I think. Hate that the draft starts at 02:00 where I live, gonna make a great impression at work tomorrow.

Wilfried · Post #1885 » by **Wilfried** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:22 pm

Mik317 wrote:I think Russell gets picked by LA. I wanted Mudiay but we should take Okafor and either pawn him off (for Mudiay or Mario preferably) or keep him. I doubt Okafor would be cool with playing here tho with Embiid looming.

yet again the better fit slips through our fingers.

I just want to end a draft night without having to sell myself on it for once. The Jrue trade had me shook and then Hinkie traded away all those seconds but I eventually got over it. Wasn't pleased with the Embiid and Saric picks but I eventually got over it...I just want to take a guy, see him play and progress next year without any strings attached for once.

Hinkie is not to blame for the position we pick, that are the ping pong balls

Hinkie is not to blame for the Embiid injury. Did you prefer Exum or Randle than? Or Smart, Vonleh?

The Jrue trade was a steal (Noel already played more games than Jrue since the trade btw).

And Saric, we will judge after we see him play in the NBA, ok?

Be patient!

76ciology · Post #1886 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:25 pm

76ciology wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BztVrOphyc4[/youtube]

...I'm pretty sure you'd watch this if we end up with Oka4.

Damn. Lakers would be stupid to pass up this guy. I'm serious with this but I might consider trading Nerlens if we end up with Jahlil.

BoomBap · Post #1887 » by **BoomBap** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:31 pm

i hope we don't trade the pick. Last year we had 2 lottery picks an maybe we won't even see them for 2 years (i hope biid can play). I hope sams picks a good player at #3 and maybe he can get another lottery pick so we can pick hezonja.

Post #1888 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:27 pm

Perhaps Boston can convince a Hezonja area team in the top ten to part with their pick in a three-team extravaganza type deal. Smart and Hezonja for Okafor?

76ciology · Post #1889 » by **76ciology** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:28 pm

Stanford wrote:Perhaps Boston can convince a Hezonja area team in the top ten to part with their pick in a three-team extravaganza type deal. Smart and Hezonja for Okafor?

I'd rather trade Oka for Lilliard. I won't trade Okafor for two most likely role players.

PhilasFinest · Post #1890 » by **PhilasFinest** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:30 pm

76ciology wrote:
Stanford wrote:Perhaps Boston can convince a Hezonja area team in the top ten to part with their pick in a three-team extravaganza type deal. Smart and Hezonja for Okafor?

I'd rather trade Oka for Lilliard. I won't trade Okafor for two most likely role players.

Man that would be bold, and something Id be on board with.

76ciology · Post #1891 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:49 am

So far Mudiay has been playing better than Russell. Mudiay has been good as advertised, being able to get whereever he wants to set up his teammates. Russell on the other hand has been struggling, almost like everything I said about him leading to the draft. He needs to find the right balance in playing on and off the ball, and having more focus on getting good quality open looks. He also seems to have trouble attacking the rim because he dribbles too high like most tall PG. Also struggles in finishing in drives (euro step fadeaway).

mksp · Post #1892 » by **mksp** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:53 am

#TeamMudiay feeling good.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1893 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:14 am

Russell has gotten a lot of praise by LA fans. They seem to rave about his passing ability. Yet reports are that he's struggling. I haven't watched so I don't know. Either way I don't expect a Laker fan to ever admit they should of taken Okafor unless Russell is just a complete flop. I think he'll struggle at first, but eventually become a great player. Glad to hear Mudiay is ballin too. I root for these rookies every year.

76ciology · Post #1894 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:37 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Russell has gotten a lot of praise by LA fans. They seem to rave about his passing ability. Yet reports are that he's struggling. I haven't watched so I don't know. Either way I don't expect a Laker fan to ever admit they should of taken Okafor unless Russell is just a complete flop. I think he'll struggle at first, but eventually become a great player. Glad to hear Mudiay is ballin too. I root for these rookies every year.

The more we pay for something, the more we put value in it.

Anyway.. He's a creative passer & great vision. Like Stauskas, he's a great shooter but still figuring how to get good looks.

Unlike Stauskas, lack of athleticism poses a big problem on drives to the basket. He should probably be crafty in the same level of Kyrie and Curry at the rim (ambidextrous, creative &acrobat).

76ciology · Post #1895 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:29 am

76ciology wrote:So far Mudiay has been playing better than Russell. Mudiay has been good as advertised, being able to get whereever he wants to set up his teammates. Russell on the other hand has been struggling, almost like everything I said about him leading to the draft. He needs to find the right balance in playing on and off the ball, and having more focus on getting good quality open looks. He also seems to have trouble attacking the rim because he dribbles too high like most tall PG. Also struggles in finishing in drives (euro step fadeaway).

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAIiORLiVk[/youtube]

Probability of them being atleast an all-star..

Russell can be an all-star if he can play without another PG (pertaining to size) on the court. If Russell can defend other elite PGs, doesn't have problem handling the ball full time and can breakdown the defense (dribbling skills and lateral quickness). I'm really sure he can be an all-star. My biggest problem with Russell is what if he can't play PG at the NBA? I don't think he has the skillset to create space against good swingman defenders, while I don't think he can shoot over his small defenders like his days in OSU. For me, that's the rationale why he has a high bust label (high reward also).

Obviously, Mudiay needs to improve his shooting. Then he needs to refine his PG skills (less TO prone and more decisive) by experience quickly at the PG position. From the get go, I think people will be surprised about Mudiay's shooting. My guess is that it has improved since his CBA days based on reports and video. I also think he'd have a good rookie year. Maybe a mix between Tyreke and MCW's ROY season, but Mudiay should have more upside than both. I really think he'd be a dynamic PG that is a match-up nightmare for any PGs in the future.

76ciology wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQO8XMBFlQ[/youtube]

Another thing I notice is that unlike most tall PGs like Livingston or MCW and even Wiggins, Mudiay's dribble is close to the ground making him easier and more natural to change direction, splitting defenders and dribbling in traffic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yczNXq2Ow[/youtube]

I'm not making generalizations with this clip but I thought it's a good example and he does dribble this high. If you notice the dribble is quite high, thus the defender was tempted to gamble for the steal. And things might be different with a longer or quicker defender.

People say Mudiay reminds them of Turner, maybe it's because of his shooting. Being a big ET fan, actually I think Russell is the guy that is more similar to ET. They have different styles of game. But I don't trust OSU's system of putting flawed swingman and letting them play PG. Defensively, their defensive capability in defending top tier PGs in the NBA is hidden. While offensively, being larger than their opposing college PGs, they were able to either shoot or bulldoze their way against them. What happens when they became liability defending star PGs and slide to the SG/SF role that would take away their size advantage over their defenders? Can they score against good swingman defenders like Kawhi, Iguodala or Shumpert?

I like Mudiay because he's dynamic.

If you're fast and small, he'll attack you at the post. If you're big and strong, he'll attack you off the dribble.

If you go under the screen, he will shoot over you (will develop in time). If you go over the screen, he'll attack where he's pretty good with his decision making whether to attack the rim or dish to open teammates.

If he can't attack you off the dribble, off screen or off the post, he's a good PnR player.

He can score, facilitate, defend and do the intangible stuffs like rebounding because of the tools, skillset and IQ he has.

For me he's in the same mold of Baron Davis, Jrue Holiday and Deron. The missing piece is that jumpshot that is showing some promise. And if he can knock down his jumper, he will be a match-up nightmare for any team.

76ciology · Post #1896 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:35 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5caeBQ-WDc#t=158[/youtube]

This is what I've been talking about. Imagine Mudiay breaking down the defense from the perimeter getting our guys good looks, then you can have Jah or Biid at the post. You then surround them with really good 3 and D guys in the mold of Danny Green, Kawhi or Ariza.

Post #1897 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:14 pm

Mudiay would have been fun. Russell and I wouldn't be sleeping well on top of Embiid, although its early and I think as a playmaking sg he will be fine (just not a pg).

Not gonna worry all year that it should have been Mudiay over Okafor.

PhilasFinest · Post #1898 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:10 am

Id say theres gonna be another big guard who can handle, attack and pass along the lines of Mudiay coming into the league a lot sooner than there is gonna be another 19 year old big man with the footwork and offensive skills Okafor possesses.

Mudiay looks good, but Okafor is simply a rare commodity that doesn't come along too often.

76ciology · Post #1899 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:31 am

No one is saying Mudiay is better than Okafor. But everyone has been saying Jah and Mudiay are better than Russell. ...even Porz and Hezonja looked more impressive so far.

76ciology · Post #1900 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:35 am

Russ 8pts 8TOs tonight against knicks. 7 TO/g so far?

He needs to focus playing off ball if his PG skills don't translate in the NBA. I think he'd be fine as a way better passer version of Reddick/RIP Hamilton for now.