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Cutter · Post #441 » by **Cutter** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:43 am

I've been advocating that Archie's meal ticket in the NBA is being a hard nosed defensive wing defender, who can also driver to the rim and finish with efficiency. So far he is very good at driving to the rim, he is just not yet finishing with efficiency. Also, his defense is poor and will be the hardest skill set for him to develop. But as always, we all say he is young and has time to develop. I'm not so sure this is right, but I'll make the politically correct comment and say "Archie is young and has time to develop".

MrMiyagi · Post #442 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:53 am

Cutter wrote:I've been advocating that Archie's meal ticket in the NBA is being a hard nosed defensive wing defender, who can also driver to the rim and finish with efficiency. So far he is very good at driving to the rim, he is just not yet finishing with efficiency. Also, his defense is poor and will be the hardest skill set for him to develop. But as always, we all say he is young and has time to develop. I'm not so sure this is right, but I'll make the politically correct comment and say "Archie is young and has time to develop".

No!!!!!! It's now or never!!!!! I'm tired of this wait and see attitude! Why can't he be liek LeBron and just dominate??????????

Mr Puddles · Post #443 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:56 am

Cutter wrote:I've been advocating that Archie's meal ticket in the NBA is being a hard nosed defensive wing defender, who can also driver to the rim and finish with efficiency. So far he is very good at driving to the rim, he is just not yet finishing with efficiency. Also, his defense is poor and will be the hardest skill set for him to develop. But as always, we all say he is young and has time to develop. I'm not so sure this is right, but I'll make the politically correct comment and say "Archie is young and has time to develop".

Why is it politically correct to say "Archie is young and has time to develop"? He IS young, and HAS time to develop. Again, if he was a finished product, we wouldn't have been able to draft him at #29. We always knew we were going to have to be patient with him.

Post #444 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:01 am

Cutter wrote:I've been advocating that Archie's meal ticket in the NBA is being a hard nosed defensive wing defender, who can also driver to the rim and finish with efficiency. So far he is very good at driving to the rim, he is just not yet finishing with efficiency. Also, his defense is poor and will be the hardest skill set for him to develop. But as always, we all say he is young and has time to develop. I'm not so sure this is right, but I'll make the politically correct comment and say "Archie is young and has time to develop".

I'm with you on this. He's young and definitely has time to develop but he's coming into his 3rd year in the league now. He's been in the NBA environment, he's seen from other players what it takes to succeed and what he needs to do to succeed. The problem is he's still out of control a lot, his defense is still flaky and his shooting is still ugly.

Maybe with another training camp, he'll be able to be average in at least one of those weaknesses because he won't see many minutes if he doesn't.

thamadkant · Post #445 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:49 am

Goodwin puts up 22 points Game 1, 20 points Game 2... with pretty good efficiencies. As much or more than TJ Warren, even though Goodwin is way less polished and "developed".

Yet fans complain about his shooting, when he has actually hit 3pters and 50%+ from the field.... Booker who is the 3pt specialists is 0/8 from the 3pt line.
Double standards everywhere.

3 years ?

He has been in the NBA 2 years and this upcoming season is his 3rd.

Bottomline, in terms of IN-GAME competition and experience Warren still has more than Goodwin.

And again, for a 29th pick and earning 1 million dollars a year... reported to be one of the hardest workers in the team... Goodwin's barometer seems to be prime Kobe Bryant or Wade, and he "will never" look good until he plays like them.

Many here wants to give up and put him down and send him packing... his mistakes are magnified... his good performances ignored... but the older players he is playing with are judged the opposite.

What I see in Goodwin is that he still plays in 2 gears, slow or fast...
Hence he looks out of control... but he actually is in control just that he moves really fast. Westbrook or Bledsoe looks like they are out of control too... not everyone can look like Curry or Nash at top speed.

While Goodwin wears a Suns jersey and shows good progress, I'm hopeful and will support him 100%. Kudos to Warren also, I'm enjoying his transition from last year.

SideSwipe · Post #446 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:54 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

If you watched the game you would understand. OUT OF CONTROL.

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I saw the whole game from start to finish. I saw him get to the rim consistently and force the foul. He put pressure on the defense. He also buried a couple of great outside shots. He does play a little out of control sometimes, but he is getting better and learning to play to his advantages. I am happy with his growth. Could he still work on his ball handling and passing (though he had a great dump pass that got bobbled) you bet, still lots to work on, but lots to like too.

MrMiyagi · Post #447 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:56 am

SideSwipe wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

If you watched the game you would understand. OUT OF CONTROL.

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I saw the whole game from start to finish. I saw him get to the rim consistently and force the foul. He put pressure on the defense. He also buried a couple of great outside shots. He does play a little out of control sometimes, but he is getting better and learning to play to his advantages. I am happy with his growth. Could he still work on his ball handling and passing (though he had a great dump pass that got bobbled) you bet, still lots to work on, but lots to like too.

This. He does play a little out of control some times, but I'll take a guy with fire over a guy without. He had a monster rebound where he shook off one of the Rockets, brought the ball down court a little too fast, lost the ball, only to bust his ass down court in and disrupted the open layup. I'll take that response to mistakes over shutting down and watching the opponent score an easy layup.

thamadkant · Post #448 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:03 am

SideSwipe wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

If you watched the game you would understand. OUT OF CONTROL.

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I saw the whole game from start to finish. I saw him get to the rim consistently and force the foul. He put pressure on the defense. He also buried a couple of great outside shots. He does play a little out of control sometimes, but he is getting better and learning to play to his advantages. I am happy with his growth. Could he still work on his ball handling and passing (though he had a great dump pass that got bobbled) you bet, still lots to work on, but lots to like too.

+1

Same here.

Geez, now I sort of understand why Bledsoe seems to be judged to be "out of control" too sometimes.

I think Steve Nash, Dragic has made every other guards look "out of control".

What I see is Goodwin lacks finesse, just like Bledsoe... heck Westbrook looks like he will turn the ball over every time he drives and dribbles, he has a really high dribble as he drives too.

To me Goodwin is fast and explosive... out of control is subjective.

Atleast if people here uses his turn overs off those "out of control" moves, it'll be more factual.
But he doesnt turn it over much when he looks "out of control".... he actually turns it over a lot when he moves slow, because he is over thinking the play and defenders can tell who/where he will go at.

Goodwin isnt crafty... thats for sure.

But guess what? in the General forum, D'Angelo Russell is coping a beating because apparently he looks "SLOW"... when he is actually very crafty.

Well, Goodwin isnt crafty... but he is fast and explosive.

SarcasticSun · Post #449 » by **SarcasticSun** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:05 am

1UPZ wrote:Abby Hornacek got all her looks from her mom, doesmt have any Jeff Hornacek features, which is a good thing... not that Jeff is a bad looking guy, he is actually decent. But Abby is spectacular... wouldnt guess she was related to Jeff.

Haha is her mom a plastic surgeon? It's why she looks nothing like Jeff

AtheJ415 · Post #450 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:10 am

Goodwin hit a couple 3s. That to me is awesome. As for those claiming he's out of control--his role on this team will not be to get the ball and create for everyone. He will rarely, if ever, be asked to do that this year. That's not something to worry about yet. Hitting open 3s is something that he will be asked to do this year a lot if he's getting PT.

SarcasticSun · Post #451 » by **SarcasticSun** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:16 am

Goodwin had an awesome game today. I thought Warren did bad for his standards, then I saw his stat line...I don't need to keep saying how good he can be but I'm just really excited!!

WeekapaugGroove · Post #452 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:17 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Goodwin hit a couple 3s. That to me is awesome. As for those claiming he's out of control--his role on this team will not be to get the ball and create for everyone. He will rarely, if ever, be asked to do that this year. That's not something to worry about yet. Hitting open 3s is something that he will be asked to do this year a lot if he's getting PT.

totally. He doesn't even have to be a great 3pt shooter. if he can even be OK and hit around 35% it will make teams respect that part of the game and will make it so much easier to d what he's good at in getting to the rim.

He's always going to look a little out of control and if he picks his spots with it it's fine.

GetYourPHX · Post #453 » by **GetYourPHX** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:22 am

We're all getting nitpicky with performances, but to be fair, this is a superfan message board. All of us spend too much time watching basketball.

TJ and Archie are both scoring 20 points a game and shooting >50% through two games. I think we can all agree that those stats are at least in the "pretty good and encouraging" category.

I'm really looking forward to the rest of the games. Summer League is my favorite!

nashrambler13 · Post #454 » by **nashrambler13** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:30 am

TASTIC wrote:
nashrambler13 wrote:Yo does anyone know where I can find the whole game to watch after it is over? Plz help

You found a torrent yet? Let me know and I'll hook you up

I am very uneducated torrent-wise, so I just gave in and split the "Summer League Live" with a friend :lol:

Thanks though, 'preciate it!

Post #455 » by **TASTIC** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:15 am

Brent Barry was gushing about Warren's ability to run the floor and finish - seems to be a dying art as everyone's fallen in love with the 3 ball...

asudevil · Post #456 » by **asudevil** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:30 am

i watched a portion of the game. I feel like Goodwin is that young Barbosa kid that we had long ago. Plays with fire, drives the lane, sporadic outside shot. Neither had this defined role. Backup PG, or SG. And there is a clear division on this board regarding their success at the NBA level.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #457 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:19 am

I haven't seen any difference between TJ last year and TJ this year - except the shot's not falling as well this year. Archie, OTOH, looks much improved, both in terms of passing and shooting. Still not a great a ballhandler, still not a great defender, but I think he'll play this season. Pretty obvious that Booker's not going to leapfrog him in the rotation.

charley barkles · Post #458 » by **charley barkles** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:50 pm

asudevil wrote:i watched a portion of the game. I feel like Goodwin is that young Barbosa kid that we had long ago. Plays with fire, drives the lane, sporadic outside shot. Neither had this defined role. Backup PG, or SG. And there is a clear division on this board regarding their success at the NBA level.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The best thing for Archie (just like with Barbosa) is to have some stability in his role and with the people he plays with and behind. I was frustrated last year when Archie had a few good games in a row... And then he was sat? For Thornton or whoever... It was really frustrating to watch and I can't imagine what he was feeling. Works hard, shows some success, and gets benched. That how you kill someone's drive and passion.

Post #459 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:28 pm

SarcasticSun wrote:Goodwin had an awesome game today. I thought Warren did bad for his standards, then I saw his stat line...I don't need to keep saying how good he can be but I'm just really excited!!

Warren is one of the those guys that it seems so effortless that sometimes you might not even realize how many points he is racking up until the end of the game when you look at the stats.

Revived · Post #460 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:59 pm

charley barkles wrote:
asudevil wrote:i watched a portion of the game. I feel like Goodwin is that young Barbosa kid that we had long ago. Plays with fire, drives the lane, sporadic outside shot. Neither had this defined role. Backup PG, or SG. And there is a clear division on this board regarding their success at the NBA level.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The best thing for Archie (just like with Barbosa) is to have some stability in his role and with the people he plays with and behind. I was frustrated last year when Archie had a few good games in a row... And then he was sat? For Thornton or whoever... It was really frustrating to watch and I can't imagine what he was feeling. Works hard, shows some success, and gets benched. That how you kill someone's drive and passion.

Me and few others noticed that and complained about that as well.

Of the Summer league guys, who would you most like to see make our team?