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Post#1 » by Baphomet » Thu Jul 9, 2015 12:55 pm

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Post your lineups and tactics here! I'll also update this OP with who wins each matchup as simulations and judge results come in.

edfmx86 vs. mercgold3 (mercgold wins judge vote, sims: 1-3, 3-0)
ATL Boy vs. Baphomet (Baphomet wins judge vote, sims: 2-2, 1-2)
edfmx86 vs. Baphomet (Baphomet wins judge vote, sims: 1-5, 0-1)
mercgold3 vs. ATL Boy (ATL Boy wins judge vote, sims: 2-3, 1-0)
Baphomet vs. mercgold3 (mercgold3 wins judge vote, sims: 1-3, 2-5)
ATL Boy vs. edfmx86 (edfmx86 wins judge vote, sims: 3-3, 0-4)

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                      W      D      L      Pts
mercgold3             6      0      3      18
Baphomet              5      1      3      16
edfmx                 3      1      5      10
ATL Boy               2      2      5      8


mercgold3 and Baphomet qualify for the quarter finals!

Winner of this group will face the runner up of Group B in the quarter finals and vice versa!
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Post#2 » by Baphomet » Thu Jul 9, 2015 4:05 pm

I plan to utilise a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation somewhat in lieu of how Mourinho at times set up his Premier League winning Chelsea team this past season.

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GK: De Gea
LB: Maxwell
CB: Garay
CB: Kompany
RB: Zabaleta
CM: Schneiderlin
CM: Modric
AM: Götze
LW: Gaitán
RW: Mata
ST: Costa

Bench:

LW: Draxler
CM/AM: Moutinho
ST/AM: Jonas

I've basically loaded this team with creative types, including Moutinho on the bench. It means I can more or less configure the midfield in any way and still have good service for the striker(s). Possession is the name of the game here. We have the personnel to efficiently switch to a 4-3-3 when on the ball, and a 4-5-1 when not. On the flipside, in a more counter attacking context, we have the requisite pace to quickly flood the opposition and create.

My preferred midfield triumvirate of Schneiderlin, Modric and Gotze gives us three midfield players who excel at different facets. While Schneiderlin is not quite the holder that Matic is, he provides more than adequate physical presence and excellent tackling ability in the middle of the park. Alongside him is Modric, who complements the more physical and retentive Schneiderlin as a deep lying playmaker, looking to provide service to our attackers with his incredible vision and passing quality. Götze, while perhaps out of form this past season, is here as an x-factor who has the ability to be a livewire and transform a game, acting as a goal threat and as more direct support for our lone striker: Diego Costa. Everybody knows who Costa is and what he does. Having his presence and strength around to hold the ball up will be essential.

Costa's flanked by Nicolás Gaitán and Juan Mata on the left and right wings respectively. While Gaitán is not necessarily known for his goalscoring ability, his playmaking ability from the wing can't be questioned. He's assured on the ball, is a great crosser and can cut in from the left side to provide direct service to Costa and other attackers, which is why he's amassed a nice tally of assists for Benfica. While I personally prefer Mata at his natural #10 position, he spent most of his time at United under van Gaal last season on the right wing, with a good deal of success. He can provide goals and assists aplenty.

However, since Mata is not known for his defensive workrate, who better to play behind him than Zabaleta? Zabaleta is a hard worker with seemingly limitless motor who can not only push the flanks and provide service, but support the CBs as necessary with his terrific tackling ability. On the opposite flank, Maxwell, coming off another consistent season for PSG, is similarly adept at pushing forward and has a great defensive workrate to boot. Kompany and Garay are two brutish, fearless CBs who in tandem should be intimidating for just about any attacking unit.

Off the bench are Joao Moutinho, Draxler and Jonas. I feel like Jonas is criminally underrated, coming off some solid seasons for Valencia and a monster 31 goals in 35 games for Benfica last season, winning Portugal's player of the year. He's my goal threat off the bench.

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This alternative lineup is a pretty standard 4-4-2 diamond, substituting Götze for Jonas, placing him up top with Costa and moving Mata to his favoured spot as the #10.
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Post#3 » by ATL Boy » Thu Jul 9, 2015 5:32 pm

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4-2-3-1 formation is my preferred method formation:
GK: Marc Andre ter Stegen
CB: Nicolas Otamendi
CB: Giorgio Chiellini
RB: Tony Jantschke
LB: Aleksander Kolarov
CDM: Luiz Gustavo
CM: Granit Xhaka
RAM: Aaron Ramsey
LAM: Marco Reus
CAM: Kevin De Bruyne
ST: Christian Benteke

Bench:

CB: Emir Spahic
CM: Ilkay Gundogan
ST: Alex Meier

My team has balance all throughout the pitch.

The defense is good and features what might be the best CB duo in the game in Nicolas Otamendi and Giorgio Chiellini (depending on people's preferences). Aleksander Kolarov is a world class player at left back, and tony Jantschke just had a really good season for Monchengladbach and was one of the better Right Back's in the Bundesliga.

Luiz Gustavo is one of the more underrated CDMs in the game. He's a dual threat on both defense and offense at the position. The same can be said about Granit Xhaka at CM. He was maybe Monchengladbach's best player in a season where they finished 3rd in Germany. The only reason I didn't also make Granit a CDM is because I want him a little closer to the rest of the midfield and attack due to his outstanding passing ability.

Aaron Ramsey on the right side is a strong dribbler and also an excellent passer, meaning that he'll be able to set up the dangerous Benteke for the chance, or the equally dangerous De Bruyne for a moment of creativity. Ramsey had statistically more success playing in this position last season than he did at any other position. Despite a down year from Dortmund Marco Reus remains one of the world's best. He's one of the most dangerous players in the world with the ball at his feet, and is always a threat to score or assist. His crossing ability will go well with the fact that Benteke is an aerial threat. Like Ramsey, Reus was most successful at this position last season. The key player that really makes this team great is Kevin De Bruyne, who's the best number 10 in the world. He had by far the most assists in Germany this year (20, second place had 12), and that was with Bas Dost as his striker and main goalscoring threat. Reus and Benteke will have a number of amazing chances because of KDB's creativity, no matter who is in the defense. Christian Benteke is a long shot threat, excellent in the air, and a clinical finisher. De Bruyne, Reus, and Ramsey, along with a surgical long ball or two from Xhaka should give him a field day in front of net.

Gustavo and Xhaka are both exceptional tacklers, and both read the ball well to intercept it. They are a very secure first line of defense. When they take the ball away in midfield it'll be off to the races for Ramsey, Reus, and De Bruyne: all of whom excel at counter attacks. They'll put the defense on their heels, and with their passing ability, they will have very good chances in front of net. All it will take is an interception or a tackle in midfield for Xhaka and Gustavo to start the break, because both of them can pick out one of Ramsey, Reus, or KDB with their own passing ability: especially Xhaka with his long ball prowess.

It'll also be very difficult for the opposing offense to create much of anything in front of Ter Stegen's net because of Chiellini and Otamendi, who are world class center backs. Add in the backup they'd receive from one of or both of Gustavo and Xhaka, and it'll be hard to breath for the opposing offense. Jantschke can win the ball and is another player who can pass it well, while Kolarov will be able to dart forward in one of the aforementioned counter attacks, knowing that his position will be covered by the roaming Gustavo. Reus and Kolarov are a deadly pair of players on the left side for the defense to deal with.

Good defense and good passing leads to counter attacks, and those counter attacks will lead to goals. The defensive fort is held down by Xhaka, Gustavo, Otamendi, and Chiellini. Almost every one of my players can pass the defense to death. It'll also be dangerous to press because they can also deliver a long ball when need be. Counter attacks also won't be our only form of attack. Ramsey, Reus, and KDB are all very good dribblers and can get through the defense with their dribbling and passing prowess.

Ilkay Gundogan off the bench knows all about passing ability as he can take over CM when need be. Emir Spahic was one of the best CB's in both the Bundesliga and Champions League last year, I can take out my CM and put him in as a third CB if we ever needed to bunker down. And finally, Alex Meier is another clinical finisher off the bench, he led the Bundesliga in goals scored last year.
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Post#4 » by edfmx86 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:25 pm

Sorry for the hold up, lads. I'll post my stuff sometime today.
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Post#5 » by Merc_Porto » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:00 am

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Post#6 » by truth18 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:36 am

Should have the FM results for you guys and our group by tomorrow evening. Then the other two the following days if that's cool. Doing this as fast as I can. Did we get another judge BTW?
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Post#7 » by J-Mezzy » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:06 am

I say we pick a person from each group to judge the other groups with treiz
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Post#8 » by J-Mezzy » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:07 am

We'd judge each group except your own of course
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Post#9 » by edfmx86 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:13 pm

Formation 1 - First choice

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Subs
R.Van Persie (ST)
Carlos Vela (FW)
Felipe Melo (CDM)

Stacked midfield with Guardado and Castro both sharing #6 responsibilities. This team is looking to hold possession and build up slow.

Formation 2 - 4-4-2 Diamond

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Gonzalo Castro (CM)
Felipe Melo (CDM)
Robin Van Persie (ST)

This one brings in Vela to bring the attack more forward.
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Post#10 » by treiz » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:57 am

Baphomet over ATL
mercgold over edfmx
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Post#11 » by treiz » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:02 pm

-edfmx vs mercgold

Mercgold's team is really well constructed and is clearly built around Messi (as you do). It really compliments him well in that it's built sort of like the Barcelona of today (apart from having a Rakitic/Iniesta type as well as Coentrao not as offensively skilled as Alba, it's a really poor man's version of Barcelona but the players are there to play the style). You have Valencia playing the Alves role in surgun forward and creating an overlap allowing Messi to cut in and cause the most damage, you have two athletic CBs who are towering in the air but also very composed on the ball, Lahm can play the Busquets role, Imbula can drive the ball forward in a similar mold to Rakitic and Pastore/Alcantara playing the no.10. Although Sterling has some similarities to Neymar, he is nowhere near as good but if he can drive the ball down the left or even run in behind the defenders, he will get his chances on goal albeit being a terrible finisher. Morata is not Suarez but he can be a pest and run the channels, he will have his chances playing with Messi and he's an accomplished finisher too.

As for edfmx, Di Maria is the key player here. His playmaking ability as well as his tendency to drift out to the left will allow Fabregas/Zlatan/RVP/Vela to occupy the middle and create chances. I see the reason for playing Cesc and Nainggolan playing allows Dani Alves and Evra to bomb forward, although Alves is still capable of not only going forward but being a threat going forward I'm not so sure the same can be said about Evra (he's still a good defender but his pace is clearly lacking now to cause enough trouble). I also feel like mercgold's strengths is in the middle so playing either formation edfmx set out is playing into those strengths. Di Maria against Valencia is the key battle here, but that's not enough especially with Lahm and Imbula covering. Zlatan is of course a top striker and will cause Pepe/Varane trouble but the two defenders are physical enough to keep up with him, I can especially see Pepe being a prick to him all game long by taking a niggle here and there.

This was a close matchup but I feel mercgold just takes it, because Messi. A great performance by Di Maria/Zlatan wouldn't surprise in the simulation if edfmx wins that.

Baphomet vs/ ATL Boy

ATL Boy you definitely assembled arguably the best back four in this draft (although I hope that Kolarov being WC is a joke :p ) and with Luis Gustavo/Xhaka protecting them it makes this defence really good, and should be enough to keep Costa and his pesky habits in check, Mata and Gaitan could find difficulty finding space in the middle with Gotze and it will get cramped in that area of the pitch. But then gain that's where the problem lies too, in that back 5 you don't have the players that can surge forward and help out the attack (especially the FB) compared to other teams, Gustavo is a destroyer nothing more, nothing less. Which places a huge amount of emphasis on the front four with Xhaka to create chances, especially KdB and Reus (who was hampered by injuries this year). Trying to do that with a team that also has a very good back four with Schneiderlein protecting it could be difficult. I also trust Baphomet's gameplan to come to fruition in terms of possession, having capable ball players all over the pitch for Baphomet against essentially Ramsey/KdB/Reus/Kolarov is going to be tricky. With little worry over the attacking prowess of Jantschke and Kolarov (who's more dead ball specialist than attacking full back), this allows Zabaleta and Maxwell to bomb forward and cause a lot of pressure. I fully trust Modric to run the midfield and get more than 100+ touches on the ball should this ever play out that's where I see this game is won.

If the striker as opposed to Benteke is capable to run in behind I can see that being very useful especially given Kompany's erratic defending in the last couple of years but playing it to a target man allows Kompany to engage with the ball in the air where he is much more confident and for Garay to clear up the loose ball should Benteke win it.

Another close matchup with two very capable organised defence, with Modric for me here being the difference maker. I expect the sim to show a 60% possession for Baph's team and essentially control the game. Should ATL score first of course changes the game plan.
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Post#12 » by cgf » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:15 am

Poor Tony. Getting moved to CB in the middle of his offensive breakout season has really put a damper on the perception of his talents everywhere. He's not a dynamic drive the play kind of useful; but he's extremely reliable in possession, plays very nice crossfield balls and long passes, is comfortable playing short passes under pressure/with limited space, and was even showing the ability to knock in dangerous crosses...before the injury crisis at CB, his own versatility, and Korb's adequacy as a RB left him at CB for the season and a half since; helping cost him the staring RB spot for the NT that he should've had at the WC if Jogi had been aware that there was football being played in Moenchengladbach. Jantschke is very similar stylistically to Lahm...which is why both have been moved into more central build-up roles by Favre and Pep.

I would pick Baphomet in that match up as well (Bentekers' mediocrity, Kolarov, Ramsey as a winger, and playing a 4-2-3-1 instead of 4-3-1-2 with that roster); but Jantschke's no mark against him and would help ATL's excellent midfield hold onto a good deal of possession themselves.
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Post#13 » by truth18 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:28 am

I'm uploading all my results so far and I'll post them soon as I can, sorry for the delay, I'll start posting the results as well before the photos:

edfmx/MG leg1: 3-1 MG with him largely dominating

leg2: 3-0 Edfmx with him largely dominating

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Post#14 » by truth18 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:44 am

Two absolutely insane matches fraught with controversy between ATlboy and Baph. Should be evident when I post the photos (I'll edit these posts and put them in spoiler tags because they are large), but just wild stuff. Modric and Gotze saved your ass Baph. And ATLboy possibly could have won the first game 3-2 had some crazy stuff happen involving penalties

leg1: 2-2

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leg2: 2-1 Baph

baph/edfmx:

leg1: 5-1 Baph

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leg2: 1-0 Baph

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Post#15 » by ATL Boy » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:41 am

truth18 wrote:Two absolutely insane matches fraught with controversy between ATlboy and Baph. Should be evident when I post the photos (I'll edit these posts and put them in spoiler tags because they are large), but just wild stuff. Modric and Gotze saved your ass Baph. And ATLboy possibly could have won the first game 3-2 had some crazy stuff happen involving penalties

leg1: 2-2

leg2: 2-1 Baph

baph/edfmx:

leg1: 5-1 Baph

leg2: 1-0 Baph

Is it something that'll involve me having to formally protest?


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Post#16 » by truth18 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:34 am

ATL Boy wrote:
truth18 wrote:Two absolutely insane matches fraught with controversy between ATlboy and Baph. Should be evident when I post the photos (I'll edit these posts and put them in spoiler tags because they are large), but just wild stuff. Modric and Gotze saved your ass Baph. And ATLboy possibly could have won the first game 3-2 had some crazy stuff happen involving penalties

leg1: 2-2

leg2: 2-1 Baph

baph/edfmx:

leg1: 5-1 Baph

leg2: 1-0 Baph

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See for yourself. Ill post the rest and the rest of the groups in the morning. Tired. Long weekend.

I set the pitch dimensions to be professional, used your formations and tactics as accurately as I could, and set everything else to default. The results have been pretty cool so far.
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Post#17 » by Baphomet » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:12 am

This is awesome! Loving the detailed judging and analysis, treiz. For some reason the FM summary of the matches made me laugh. I imagine Costa getting up in everyone's face and causing controversy. Thanks for everyone's time and effort.

One thing I am wondering about though, is how should I score things? Just straight up 3/1/0 points for the judge verdict, using the sim as a potential tiebreaker? Alternatively, I could do something like 2 points for the judge verdict, 1 point for the simulation? In the event both sims are a draw, I suppose both players could share the point. Would like to hear opinions on this.
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Post#18 » by J-Mezzy » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:13 pm

I say 3 points for the FM and 3 for the judge lol. Whoever has the most points wins
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Post#19 » by truth18 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:42 pm

ATLboy/MG

leg1: 3-2 ATLboy

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leg2: 1-0 MG

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Post#20 » by truth18 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:48 pm

Baph/MG:

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3-1 MG

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5-2 MG

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I watched both these games myself, first left was more competitive than it seemed but just Messi magic in all around in both legs. Very fun to watch your team Mercgold.
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