Transfer Thread 10.0 - 2017 January Window

[ATL Boy]

De Bruyne was the best #10 last season? Where is this nonsense coming from again?

His team got destroyed by Napoli, they couldnt win German Cup, finished the league second. So how on the earth he was the best #10?

Well it is a team game. No matter how good KDB is, Wolfsburg just doesn't have enough talent around him to legitimately compete with Bayern.

He had 20 assists in the Bundesliga last year (tying Misimovic's league record) and actually made Bas Dost look like a competent and even good striker. He was most definitely the best number 10.

And Wolfsburg did win the German Cup.


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[El Turco]

so misimovic was the best 10 in the world in 09? because he barely looked like a professional player year later.

[ATL Boy]

so misimovic was the best 10 in the world in 09? because he barely looked like a professional player year later.

Not the best number 10, but De Bruyne is on another level, and possesses more class. But 09 was Misimovic's best year by far, with Felix Magath there to actually motivate him to run and stay in shape.


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[MaliBrah]

last I checked messi wears #10 and played deeper than he usually does and has ballon d'or locked up already

[Foye]

last I checked messi wears #10 and played deeper than he usually does and has ballon d'or locked up already

last I checked Messi played right wing in like 90% of the games since Suarez ban was lifted and central forward before....so I don't know what you are up to here but nevermind

[J-Mezzy]

DeBruyne went from underrated to overrated after one great season in the Buli. I see Massimo's point of view now.

[Martial]

Unlike Schweinsteiger, those other guys have been pretty healthy for most of their careers.
Schweini, on the other hand, hasn't played a full season in at least five years and seems to have chronical ankle problems as well.

So United paid roughly €20M for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract and quite the injury history.
That's not good business, even though I hope he can stay healthy because he's a good person and player.

Though, given the money from that new tv deal €20M in England is something like a €5 - €8M deal for a Bundesliga side.

United don't need him to play a full season.

In regards to the fee, a couple of reports have stated that it was lower than 20m. Here's one:

No, it wasn't. It's a nice, round sum that looks good on paper. Bayern didn't want to be seen as selling too cheaply, for fear of appearing as if they're dumping one of their talismans; and Manchester United are quite happy for it to be bandied about, for the opposite reason. The actual fee is much closer to €15 million.

http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/bayern-munich/132/blog/post/2521623/bayern-reasons-for-selling-schweinsteiger-to-man-united

By age 30 all players have battled injuries to some degree. Granted, Shweini perhaps more than the aforementioned. But there is nothing chronic and United don't need him to play every game. If he can get around 25 starts give or take a few it's great business. The guy has been undoubtedly one of the top 3 midfielders in the world for the past 5-6 years.

On top of the TV deal, United are pulling in 750m pounds from Adidas - the largest kit deal in the world by a country mile. And then another 47m pounds per year from Chevrolet - the highest shirt sponsor in the league by 17m. Suffice to say 15m euros for Bastian Shweinsteiger isn't **** for them and if he can give you 25 games a year with big league fixtures and champions league games, it's great business.

[cgf]

last I checked messi wears #10 and played deeper than he usually does and has ballon d'or locked up already

Fair enough if you're counting Messi as a 10, I wouldn't since that front three was too fluid and versatile to label any of them as a classic 10, but if you do then sure Messi's the best.

But of the 10s other than Messi de Bruyne was the top of the class this past season; Mata/Ozil/Santi/Oscar/Gotze/Isco/Firmino/Raffael/Pastore/Hamsik/whoever-else-i'm-fortgetting, de Bruyne trumped them all.

[DD12]

De Bruyne was the best #10 last season? Where is this nonsense coming from again?

His team got destroyed by Napoli, they couldnt win German Cup, finished the league second. So how on the earth he was the best #10?

Well it is a team game. No matter how good KDB is, Wolfsburg just doesn't have enough talent around him to legitimately compete with Bayern.

He had 20 assists in the Bundesliga last year (tying Misimovic's league record) and actually made Bas Dost look like a competent and even good striker. He was most definitely the best number 10.

And Wolfsburg did win the German Cup.


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Oh please dude. We all know that in Bundesliga all of the attacking players' statistics are inflated. Don't act like it is super hard league to score. Wolfsburg scored 72 goals. 72 man. It's like almost 2.2 goals per game. Are you kidding me?

It is always like on this forum. All players who are German or playing in Bundesliga are getting overrated in this place.

Misimovic had 20 assists in his BuLi days. Dude, I swear, doesn't even know how to play soccer. He is lacking every single attribute of soccer. He can't run, he can't shoot, he can't defend, he can't attack, he can't do **** but he had 20 assists in Bundesliga. Lincoln is the same ****. Dude had been having 10+ goals 10+assists most of his seasons over there.

Muller who is very limited technically has 12-15 assists almost every season. I mean given the fact, Robben on the right, Lewy striker, Ribery on the left, everyone should be able to have 10+ assists but this dude is not gonna be able to do this in any other team or league.

This is the league where Ailton, Hugo Almeida etc were significant players at one point because they were scoring crazy number of goals especially Ailton case. I mean it's the league Halil **** Altintop is playing top 5 position team in the league.

Back to De Bruyne. I think he is a good player no doubt. But this guy didn't even get a chance to sit on Chelsea's bench. To say he was the best #10 is laughable because of only this reason and many others. So Mourinho, Ancelotti, Di Matteo, Rafa Benitez none of see the best #10 in the world's potential. I see bro. Great logic.

[cgf]

I see massi is in fine form this summer; hopefully when the games start he doesn't disappear in shame-filled silence again once the action on the pitch is all that's needed to illustrate just how wrong he is.

[jirrit]

Yeah it'd be a massive gamble if money mattered, but with FFP relaxed, I doubt City care. This is a club that paid 30M for Wilfried Bony and is rumoured to target De Bruyne for 50M after just spending 50M on an attacking midfielder.

Difference being that De Bruyne at 50M would be a good deal. We're talking about the best 10 on the planet last season, that's a little different than the best english young player after Kane.

What do you think are the odds of City buying De Bruyne? I think he could match well in that squad.

[jirrit]

Back to De Bruyne. I think he is a good player no doubt. But this guy didn't even get a chance to sit on Chelsea's bench. To say he was the best #10 is laughable because of only this reason and many others. So Mourinho, Ancelotti, Di Matteo, Rafa Benitez none of see the best #10 in the world's potential. I see bro. Great logic.

IMO he didn't get a real chance. His first season in Chelsea, pretty young, Mourinho,... He started very well (was like the best player against Man Utd in one of the first matches of the season). Then he sucks one game and moves to the bench, or actually to the crowd. He never really got a chance afterwards. It's pretty normal they don't shine right away, certainly not in his first season. They sold him too fast IMO.

[ATL Boy]

Yea, He never got a fair shot at Chelsea due to his youth. Chelsea has always been a win now club since getting the big money invested from Abramovich and they never made it a priority to develop youth such as KDB. Sold him for less than 20 million in the end.

I wouldn't take any number 10 from last season over him though.


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[DD12]

He never got a fair shot because 4 different coaches didn't see any potential in aka best #10. Players create their own chances within the team. Especially if you are playing at the big clubs not like Mainzer or Union Berlin or Monchengladbach, your name means nothing. Whoever deserves to be in starting XI, they will play.

4 different coach in which two of them are the best coaches in the world didn't see how great he is. So forgive them please.

[DD12]

BuLi goal machine Mario Gomez on his way to Besiktas. As we talked before, he killed it in Serie A. Became the top goal scorer, had an awesome season. Now on his way to bigger club and better league.

[Foye]

He never got a fair shot because 4 different coaches didn't see any potential in aka best #10. Players create their own chances within the team. Especially if you are playing at the big clubs not like Mainzer or Union Berlin or Monchengladbach, your name means nothing. Whoever deserves to be in starting XI, they will play.

4 different coach in which two of them are the best coaches in the world didn't see how great he is. So forgive them please.

If name meant nothing Lukaku would still be at Chelsea and Torres much longer gone.

You aint playing at Chelsea unless you already have a name. De Bruyne was a no name. Same with Lukaku.

[J-Mezzy]

Willian played.

De Bruyne is so overrated to Massimo, he might even take **** player James over him lol.

[Foye]

Willian played.

De Bruyne is so overrated to Massimo, he might even take **** player James over him lol.

Willian came for 36 mil. €. With that sum alone he had much more leverage than both Lukaku and De Bruyne ever had.
Matic is another example of a player Chelsea never had interest in including to their team. Only when he made himself a name at Benfica all of a sudden he was interesting again.

The only loan player who made it to Chelsea starting XI in recent years is probably Courtois.

[5DOM]

He never got a fair shot because 4 different coaches didn't see any potential in aka best #10. Players create their own chances within the team. Especially if you are playing at the big clubs not like Mainzer or Union Berlin or Monchengladbach, your name means nothing. Whoever deserves to be in starting XI, they will play.

4 different coach in which two of them are the best coaches in the world didn't see how great he is. So forgive them please.

If name meant nothing Lukaku would still be at Chelsea and Torres much longer gone.

You aint playing at Chelsea unless you already have a name. De Bruyne was a no name. Same with Lukaku.

In De Bruyne's case, we definitely sold him too early (or for too low), but generally if you are good enough you'll play regardless of status/age:

Azpilicueta was a big name only in the most literal sense when he started to play out of position and steal Ashley Cole's spot. Oscar was no bigger name than Mata who was the two-time club player of the year. Courtois's development allowed a club legend still in his prime to move to one of the biggest rivals. Zouma played in some of the most important games of the season in the midfield because he simply fit into the plan. I don't think De Bruyne did. It's good for him though that he continued to improve and become a fantastic player.

[ardee]

last I checked messi wears #10 and played deeper than he usually does and has ballon d'or locked up already

Fair enough if you're counting Messi as a 10, I wouldn't since that front three was too fluid and versatile to label any of them as a classic 10, but if you do then sure Messi's the best.

But of the 10s other than Messi de Bruyne was the top of the class this past season; Mata/Ozil/Santi/Oscar/Gotze/Isco/Firmino/Raffael/Pastore/Hamsik/whoever-else-i'm-fortgetting, de Bruyne trumped them all.

James? Absolutely don't think KDB was better than him.