Reggie Jackson Resigns 5/80

[rmfc]

Reggie haters...
starting to lose it.

[Bakuto]

Oh yes Han Solo- you are contributing so much to this thread and the board in general. I'm done reading your posts, since its clear that, unlike DP, you cant make arguments about basketball

Well going out of your way to see if a particular poster And1'd a particular post screams that you were searching for an argument to back up your claim. That in itself was laughable to read.

I've never seen you make one memorable positive post about the Pistons. It's something I would truly like to see, but I really doubt it happens.

[ComboGuardCity]

I didn't even know you could check who and1ed posts! The app needs work


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[dVs33]

Guys, enough with the personal stuff.
i'm gonna have to lock this if you guys can't stay on topic.

[Phenomenonsense]

WOW, this board....... The consensus on here, which has been wrong about Pistons playoff hopes for 6 straight years, has the audacity to disregard my opinion because "I'm bitter about Monroe" (which is utter BS, bcuz Greg wasnt coming back to this ****) yet constantly offers up these little gems such as "Baynes is better than Monroe", "Stan Johnson is the next Lebron", and now Reggie is as good as Wall.. LOL.

This board has devolved into a homer echo chamber. I thought things couldnt get any worse than they were last year when the consensus on this board swore Josh Smith was our best PF, but alas it has.

In Stan we Trust. Detroit v. Everybody

I mean, I agree with you pretty often but I do have to say that your posts have seemed pretty bitter lately, though I won't claim to know why that is. I mean honestly, I don't watch John Wall too often, but Reggie in his 27 games with us (as a starter) seems to have averaged nearly the same numbers as John Wall the year before he got his big deal. Kind of ridiculous, purely by the numbers, for Wall to act so indignant about it.

[Blkbrd671]

He has a point, ppl are getting huge contracts for simply being average

he chose the wrong example though, makes him sound ignorant


Detroit vs Everybody

He chose another PG who is vastly inferior to him. It shows that RJ simply isn't regarded as a star level player by star level players in the NBA. That said, Superstars should be more like Lebron and take short deals to maximize their salaries. If Wall were a free agent hed be getting a lot more money than RJ is

You indicated average . Dj Augustine is average. Rj is not your average point guard. Furthermore it's not reggies fault wall jumped the gun and signed the extension . Wall needs to start acting like a superstar.


Detroit vs Everybody

[bballnmike]

Meh I don't think the comments are that big of a deal given the full context. Wall sounds a little salty for sure, and while he does make some points, there were plenty of people who thought Wall was overpaid at the time of his contract. The rest of the statement makes it not seem as bad, but I guess it was a little rude to call Reggie out by name.

Has John Wall forgotten that when he signed his 5 year/ $80mil deal he also had never made an All-Star game?

I've had a job before where people starting off were getting higher salaries than me, simply because that's what the company was now paying. I left and found a better paying job, no hard feelings, and I'm sure when Wall get's his next contract (probably still with the Wiz) it will be much higher than Reggie's.

If nothing else, hopefully Reggie uses this as motivation, and we see RJ make his first all-star game after signing a big contract, just like Wall.

[Blkbrd671]

WOW, this board....... The consensus on here, which has been wrong about Pistons playoff hopes for 6 straight years, has the audacity to disregard my opinion because "I'm bitter about Monroe" (which is utter BS, bcuz Greg wasnt coming back to this ****) yet constantly offers up these little gems such as "Baynes is better than Monroe", "Stan Johnson is the next Lebron", and now Reggie is as good as Wall.. LOL.

This board has devolved into a homer echo chamber. I thought things couldnt get any worse than they were last year when the consensus on this board swore Josh Smith was our best PF, but alas it has.

In Stan we Trust. Detroit v. Everybody

You are trying everything in your power to make everyone else look like idiots, for having some faith in SVG, and the team he has put together. Fine. With that said, try and actually argue from a reality point of view, not your twisted "everything sucks that stan has done, and I hate all of our players" point of view.

I don't think ANYONE has actually stated, Baynes is better then Monroe. I don't think ANYONE has actually stated Reggie is better then Wall. YOU said that, in trying to make everyone else look stupid, for having hope, which is the reason why you keep bringing up the tired "6 years blah blah blah".

WE ALL GET IT.

As for Stanley, did anyone actually state that Stanley is the next Lebron? I remember comparisons, because guess what? He actually is almost the same size as Lebron when he came into the league. That doesn't equal "Stan is the next Lebron".

Without question, if baynes does play next to Drummond, he is a better fit. Monroe is absolutely the better individual talent, and I don't think anyone said otherwise. FIT. Baynes is a better FIT.

Someone posted Reggie's numbers, as a Piston, in comparison to Walls. So even the use of a statistical comparison is grounds for homerism? That wasn't a small sample size provided either. It was his numbers for 27 games, which is a huge sample size, statistically speaking. Those numbers compare very favorably to Mr. Wall. It was only brought up, because of the comments made by WALL HIMSELF. You expected a player, just given the reigns to his own team, for the first time, to win every game? There is always a transition period.

Your whole argument is predicated on everyone else is dumb, and ignorant, I know better, this team sucks, has sucked (for 6 years. Yeah, we know)and Stan doesn't know what he's doing. Nevermind the fact that this team is really similar to his old teams, in terms of BUILD. It's a team built by stan, for Stan

Are people getting excited, perhaps even overly excited? Yeah. But with reason! The team is under new guidance, from a really good, and successful coach, something the Pistons haven't had in a really, really, long time.

We're some of us wrong about last year? (Raises hand as high as I can)yes. With that said, it was an inherited team, stan made the best of. That team is dead and buried, along with its whole attitude, outlook, and the majority of its players, something you have failed completely to notice.

This year, truly, for the first time since Dumars was fired, and stan came in, begins a whole new Era of Detroit Pistons basketball.

You have just failed to take notice of that.

Awesome post


Detroit vs Everybody

[Todd3]

WOW, this board....... The consensus on here, which has been wrong about Pistons playoff hopes for 6 straight years, has the audacity to disregard my opinion because "I'm bitter about Monroe" (which is utter BS, bcuz Greg wasnt coming back to this ****) yet constantly offers up these little gems such as "Baynes is better than Monroe", "Stan Johnson is the next Lebron", and now Reggie is as good as Wall..

If we are being honest about Monroe, the only thing that justifies saying he is a better player than Baynes right now is his production. Its not as if he does all these little things that dont show in the stats or has this immense talent that makes you view him as better. Its the points and rebounds, which are as much a product of him getting big minutes on bad teams as his talent itself. Baynes has never gotten the minutes to prove whether he can produce the same as him or not, as he has had to share minutes with Tim Duncan on contenders which limited how productive he could be statistically.

When you ignore their production, being uneven sample sizes to accurately compare, and just compare their actual games and ability, Baynes is better at FTs, defense, from mid range, more athletic, does more of the little things that win games, and has proven he can be part of a winning team which Monroe has not yet.

Its not inconceivable to think Baynes could produce similar numbers for a 30 win team if given the same opportunity. When you factor in all the extra intangibles he provides, I think its a little premature to be laughing at the idea that he could be better than Monroe, who is nothing special to begin with.

Regardless, he absolutely no question is a better fit for this team and at a third of the cost.

[Todd3]

he chose the wrong example though, makes him sound ignorant


Detroit vs Everybody

He chose another PG who is vastly inferior to him. It shows that RJ simply isn't regarded as a star level player by star level players in the NBA. That said, Superstars should be more like Lebron and take short deals to maximize their salaries. If Wall were a free agent hed be getting a lot more money than RJ is

You indicated average . Dj Augustine is average. Rj is not your average point guard. Furthermore it's not reggies fault wall jumped the gun and signed the extension . Wall needs to start acting like a superstar.


Detroit vs Everybody

Its inaccurate to say he got a huge contract for being average period. He got paid based on his performance with the Pistons which was all star caliber.

People can question the sample size but they cant say he got paid for being average. Stan would not have paid him this much and maybe not even resigned him at all if he had just been average in his audition here.

[DetroitSho]

Has people forgotten that Jackson was a very important and productive player on a championship contender? His ability was apparent well before coming here. Wall is good but he's the PG of a treadmill team. I don't get the sense of accomplishment to think he can talk.

[MrBigShot]

Its inaccurate to say he got a huge contract for being average period. He got paid based on his performance with the Pistons which was all star caliber.

People can question the sample size but they cant say he got paid for being average. Stan would not have paid him this much and maybe not even resigned him at all if he had just been average in his audition here.

Bingo, you are right on the money. Reggie is getting paid with the assumption (hope) by SVG that Reggie can replicate what he did at the end of last season for the next 5 seasons. Which is certainly possible...I mean, he did only shoot 30% from three in the last month of the season so it wasn't like he was shooting at an unsustainable level or something like that. It's also possible he never manages to replicate it consistently, but when your a medium sized market with a big playoff drought you have to take some chances.

He'll have Drummond + shooters around him so he's got no excuse not to play like he did at the end of last year.

Regarding Wall...that's a pretty arrogant thing to say for a guy that has shot 37% and 39% in the last two playoffs. In my opinion Wall is a point guard that does not play up to his potential. With his combination of size, athleticism and skill set he should be a far more dominant scorer than he currently. So I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that if Reggie plays up to his potential he can be close to Wall. Wall's ceiling imo is a superstar, while Reggie's is right about where Wall is currently. And the stats for Reggie late last year posted earlier in this thread allude to that. I hope Reggie hears about that quote and takes it personally, if I was in his place I'd try to flat out embarrass the Wizards next time we play them.

[313 Professor]

LAS VEGAS -- Two years ago, John Wall's max contract extension for five years and $80 million went under heavy scrutiny. Now, getting the two-time All-Star who has led the Wizards to the Eastern Conference semifinals twice since then, looks like a bargain.

"People talk about me getting $80 million, now you got people getting $85 million that haven't made the All-Star (Game) or anything like that," Wall said Tuesday while watching his summer league team compete vs. the Dallas Mavericks at Thomas & Mack Center. "I guess they came in at the right time. That new CBA kicked in and they're good now. Reggie Jackson gets five years, $80 million. I'm getting the same as Reggie Jackson."

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/john-wall-im-getting-same-reggie-jackson

what a clown

A lot of people on here rationalize these deals as outsiders pointing to the market as the cause which is a legitimate reason. But, like I've mentioned in other threads, as professionals at their craft seeing somebody get paid equal to you that is not equal to you on the floor pisses these guys off. The idea that Reggie Jackson is making the same as a guy like Wall, and got more than Rondo, Monta Ellis, etc is truly disturbing to them. Kyle Lowry and Derozan are all-star caliber players yet Demarre Carroll comes to town making more than them. The media and air of political correctness in society keeps the players from going wild, but Wall has a very legitimate point and I agree with him 100%.

All the analytics, strategy, schemes, character judgments, and age aside the players know who can ball. The guys that are playmakers legitimately laugh at these 3&D guys and Reggie Jackson type players getting paid and then it gets offensive. RJ is gonna have a target on his back as "Mr. 80 Million Dollars" now, because he definitely hasn't earned 80 million in respect from the players. I think it's very likely he chokes and folds under that pressure too because he's not a baller like that. He's a SVG scheme stats player and he's kinda soft honestly. Jennings & Dinwiddie probably don't even respect Reggie as a human being or player, and are secretly going to enjoy every second of him crumbling with real ballers behind him and real expectations on him for the 1st time in his career. I feel you Brandon. I feel you Spencer. I feel you J-Wall. RJ is the scrub overpaid and overrated player you think he is. #ventover

What a sad sad warped view on everything...

I'm rooting for Reggie but from a player perspective you have to understand how Wall feels. Calling out Reggie by name implies that Wall doesn't respect him, and is the most politically correct way to say everything I hypothetically vented. Warped view? He probably says Reggie Jackson's name like Stephen A. Smith says Rasho Nesterovic's. You think Reggie can take it to Wall? Wall just used his name as the punchline of overpaid players that can't ball. SUCH disrespect. What you think Reggie is going to do about it? He's not gonna get that light regular season "we're only playing the Pistons" defense any more. You betting on Reggie?

In analytics and strategy circles you can find stats that put them in a similar category but the players know which matchups put fear into them, and who they lose zero sleep over. You think these NBA players aren't borderline ignorantly competitive behind closed doors? They will be gunning for Reggie's neck. Be as high on Reggie and SVG as you want I'm optimistic too, just realistic enough to know that no STARTING CALIBER PG loses sleep over or respects Reggie Jackson vs them. Not one. Beno Udrih doesn't count.

[313 Professor]

Guys, enough with the personal stuff.
i'm gonna have to lock this if you guys can't stay on topic.

Just for the record...

You see how pro-RJ the consensus is with all the And1's, memes, and emoticons right?

If.... just if... things go wrong with Reggie (I really hope not), and the less-optimistic RJ opinions presented in this thread come to be more accurate... can we revisit a thread like this without a quick lock? I'm not an I told you so guy, but there is a certain level of group dismissal of the other perspective that is unhealthy for the board a bit. We've got good posters like princeofpalace and thesack12 getting ganged up on for even bringing up potential negative points

I don't mind, but I'm just saying. Reading through this thread is REALLY interesting. Reggie, Drummond, SVG, and now Stanley really bring out the passion of our Pistons fans. I love it. Kinda

[dVs33]

Guys, enough with the personal stuff.
i'm gonna have to lock this if you guys can't stay on topic.

Just for the record...

You see how pro-RJ the consensus is with all the And1's, memes, and emoticons right?

If.... just if... things go wrong with Reggie (I really hope not), and the less-optimistic RJ opinions presented in this thread come to be more accurate... can we revisit a thread like this without a quick lock? I'm not an I told you so guy, but there is a certain level of group dismissal of the other perspective that is unhealthy for the board a bit. We've got good posters like princeofpalace and thesack12 getting ganged up on for even bringing up potential negative points

I don't mind, but I'm just saying. Reading through this thread is REALLY interesting. Reggie, Drummond, SVG, and now Stanley really bring out the passion of our Pistons fans. I love it. Kinda

I definitely see there's a divide in fans. A lot of posters are very pro reggie and get very defensive when anyone says anything about him. I am one of the not-sold-on-reggie-just-yet people myself.

I love the enthusiasm around here. It's great that the team is going in what seems to be a very positive direction.

Difference of opinion is what makes a forum interesting. Ganging up on posters for having a differing opinion does not make for interesting discussions though.
Neither side of the argument are right, at least not yet, but we need to at least see understand the opposing view.

[sfballa13]

Every thread is full of fighting between posters wtf is this ?

I have to wade thru paragraphs of insults it's getting pretty ridiculous

[ElectricMayhem]

[Spider156]

I stopped arguing with people after I wrote a long argument about Dumars and his moves and explaining everything he did. I still believe I'm right and I supported him up until he blew things off with Josh Smith. I had hope though. Then there's the argument about making the Playoffs or not and I'm in a signature betting that we'll make it. I'm proud of that bet lol.

There's no point in arguing in here. You just say what's on your mind and ignore the haters.

I was arguing with a friend of mine about Budenholzer being better than Doc Rivers. The guy started mentioning championships and I knew there was no argument left. Can't compare team achievements and personal achievements. It's tough with a coach because the roster helps your winning percentage a lot. I just don't get why people think Doc Rivers is so good. I'd give that ring mainly to Kevin Garnett. Without him they wouldn't have won. Without Doc Rivers I can say they would've reached as far as they did and maybe even more. Stan Van Gundy **** on him and then you're going to bring me the ring argument? Like I said, it's not worth it. Some arguments are endless.

[Spider156]

It's actually really interesting to me. I've been reading this forum almost every day even when there's nothing happening. There's a lot of new posters and although some are good I don't believe they give the respect that some posters like princeofpalace deserve. She's a fantastic poster and is realistic when it comes to this team. Loves it too much. However, she also likes her ignore list and like to add people on it really quickly. I myself don't have a person on the foe list. Even the guy who has me in his signature betting to make the Playoffs. That poster is really pessimistic but I'm not about to block him. It's not necessary. Sometimes they make good points but most of the time I just want to argue a lung out.

[Todd3]

Its inaccurate to say he got a huge contract for being average period. He got paid based on his performance with the Pistons which was all star caliber.

People can question the sample size but they cant say he got paid for being average. Stan would not have paid him this much and maybe not even resigned him at all if he had just been average in his audition here.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that if Reggie plays up to his potential he can be close to Wall.

Totally agree. Both PGs play similar type games to begin with, as both are limited to doing most of their scoring in the paint and midrange, relying mostly on playmaking, penetration, and rebounding to affect the game. Jackson displayed a playmaking ability last year that was on par with Walls in my opinion, and the numbers confirm. 46.3 AST% on 26.1% USG for Wall last year. 51.2 AST% on 28.6 USG% for Reggie as a Piston.

Wall has more speed as a penetrator, but I think Reggie is just as effective getting to the rim using his medium speed/change of pace game instead.

Jackson averages more rebounds per minute for their careers.

Both are about the same size and age. I really dont see a lot of differences in their ability other than Wall proving it over a longer period up until now, but he also got more of an opportunity sooner. When Jackson got the same opportunity to lead a team last year he performed just as effective.